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https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/justice-democrats/C00630665/independent-expenditures/2020
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Justice Democrats received $260,000 in donations from from the 501(c)(4) dark money group Way to Win Action Fund as well as from super PACs according to FEC filings.
https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00630665/1424877/sa/17
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Jacobin's defense for those who flout purity strictures that they impose on everyone else? "It's different when we do it".
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Subset seems to the term used by some, so it seems applicable here, as well.
I see an oil tycoons name in there. Why ever would an oil tycoon want to fund Justice Democrats...? Hmmm
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:26 PM - Edit history (1)
then claim that they do not accept corporate funds when they don't actually know where the money is coming from?
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/06/socialists-super-pacs-campaign-finance-justice-democrats
Celerity
(43,253 posts)ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)on a brighter note I can again use IOKIYAJD.
Celerity
(43,253 posts)that has nothing to do with my reply
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)Celerity
(43,253 posts)and that rebuttal was legit, as you did employ a non sequitur
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)kind of money that's not properly earned by the purity brigade. There's a fresh tweet, since all of her tweets are posted, talking about how dirty billionaires are, and Hunt is certainly a billionaire. How does a billionaire like Hunt qualify for the In crowd? An oil billionaire at that. Hmmm
Celerity
(43,253 posts)https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C90019878&cycle=2020
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C00686832&cycle=2020
https://waytowin.us/
https://waytowin.us/team
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)"They're evil for everyone else"
Celerity
(43,253 posts)That has nothing to do with the false positing that an oil tycoon was funding things
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)Lol
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)Celerity
(43,253 posts)from when I made the comment
here is what was removed
H.L. Hunt was the oil tycoon, not Leah, one of his many grandchildren
HL. Hunt had FIFTEEN children
around 40 grandchildren
Leah's mum, Helen LaKelly Hunt (the 14th of HL Hunt's 15 children) and is also an activist/philanthropist, nothing to do with the petrol industry. It was some of the oldest sons, plus Ray Lee of HL Hunt who took over the family oil business . That is where most of the wealth is.
H.L. Hunt had three families, and two of them were a secret, at least for a while. Over one eight-year period in the late twenties and early thirties, he had seven children by two wives, none of whom knew of the others existence. As if that werent enough, he later had a third secret family.
Leah's brother Hunter Hunt-Hendrix is the transgender lead singer of the death metal band Liturgy, so following your logic, he is an oil tycoon as well, lololol
Leah Hunt-Hendrix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Hunt-Hendrix
Leah Hunt-Hendrix is an activist, political theorist, and movement builder, who writes and speaks about the new economy, solidarity, and funding progressive social movements.[1] Hunt-Hendrix has a PhD in Religion, Ethics, and Politics from Princeton University. She was involved in the Occupy Wall Street movement and she has co-founded three organizations: Solidaire Network, the Emergent Fund and Way to Win
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Other Activism
Immediately after the 2016 election, Hunt-Hendrix co-founded the Emergent Fund, a partnership between Solidaire Network, Women Donors Network, Threshold Foundation, and the Democracy Alliance. The Fund is governed by an Advisory Council made up of leaders who represent communities who the Fund is designed to serve. As a member of the Advisory Council,[8] Hunt-Hendrix assists others in moving quick resources with no strings attached to underserved communitiesincluding immigrants, women, Muslim and Arab-American communities, Black people, LGBTQ communities, and all people of color.
In 2018, Hunt-Hendrix co-founded Way to Win. Way to Win is a resource and strategy hub that seeks a new approach to progressive political spending and elections, advances transformative policy, and builds lasting power. The network supports organizations and candidates that envision a more just future and that are accountable to low income communities and people of color.
Board Appointments and Memberships
Hunt-Hendrix is a member of Democracy Alliance and Women Moving Millions. She is an Associate Fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies. She is on the Board of Directors of the Solutions Project.
Past Appointments, Previous Roles & Activism
Hunt-Hendrixs past appointments include: Board of Directors of the New Economy Coalition, The Workers Lab, Free Speech for People and EDGE Funders Alliance, and the Advisory Board of The Wildfire Project. She was the director of the New Economies Initiative at ThoughtWorks, and a home-care assistant at an intentional community called LArche.
Education
Leah completed her doctorate at Princeton University in Religion, Ethics and Politics in 2013, where she wrote on the concept of solidarity. Jeffrey Stout, Eric Gregory, and Cornel West were her Ph.D. advisors. She was a participant in the Occupy Wall Street movement, and a theorist of the nature of the movement. Hunt-Hendrix received a Bachelor's degree in Political Science and Governance from Duke University in 2005.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)But I'm sure you knew that when replying.
Celerity
(43,253 posts)Leah's father. Johnelle is not related, different Hunt family.
HL Hunt's fortune was dived up amongst dozens of people.
https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#233cb413d788
No Hendrix billionaires
No LaKelly billionaires
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2020/02/02/meet-the-153-billion-family-behind-sundays-super-bowl-win/?sh=86792732e7b3
The Kansas City Chiefs are worth 2.3 billion USD, but that is not Leah's family, and the ownership is split between multiple people
https://www.espn.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/70647/kansas-city-chiefs-ownership-at-a-glance
Leah's parents
https://networthpost.org/net-worth/helen-lakelly-hunt-net-worth/
https://networthpost.org/net-worth/harville-hendrix-net-worth/
For arguments sake, lets assume those 2 figures are off by FIFTY FOLD
so a combined 500 million USD (which is an outrageous exaggeration, but for the sake of the example let's say it is so)
they have 6 children
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/finding-love/201411/harville-hendrix-and-helen-hunt-insight-gems-singles
so even with a ridiculous 50 FOLD increase (over the listed net worth) in that nuclear family's wealth
and assuming that the 6 children get 1/6th each
that is around
83 million per child, a far cry from billionaire level
even if they were worth 3 billion (which is beyond ridiculous), that is only half a billion per child
and the parents are still living, so the wealth has not been transferred in toto
I will tell you what
I will make a deal with you
bookmark this
you definitively show me that Leah Hunt-Hendrix is a billionaire, I will delete my account
you do the same if you cannot prove this by January 1st, 2021
you will not be able to do so because she is not
she is not an oil tycoon, and she is not a billionaire
book it
and you have a golden opportunity
one I have never offered before to anyone
take me out, take me off the board
you know you want to
here is a snapshot of what I just offered
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)However, as she herself claims to be a part of the 1%, I question their motives and the motives of their Super PAC spending.
IOKIYAJD
Celerity
(43,253 posts)It is ridiculous that a since-pulled (edited out by the OP) article has somehow brought them into the line of fire over people's desire to roast JD. Especially as Leah Hunt-Hendrix was singularly pulled out by the dodgy author (he attacks Democrats in his other articles, many of which I exposed down thread, plus he has a Soros obsession (again shown down thread), when Hunt-Hendrix is but one of many involved.
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C90019878&cycle=2020
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C00686832&cycle=2020
Leaders of progressive donor fund launch new PAC focusing on down-ballot races
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/10/leaders-of-progressive-donor-fund-launch-new-pac-way-to-lead-.html
The leaders of a progressive donor fund are launching a political action committee aiming to help down-ballot candidates. The committee, called Way to Lead, is meant to act as a hybrid PAC that will contribute to candidates at state and federal levels.
The groups affiliated state PACs are also slated to help. The overall effort will include spending on advertisements and voter outreach. It is being run by a co-founder of Way to Win, a fundraising hub dedicated to helping progressive candidates and organizations.
Way to Win has moved over $60 million to progressive Democratic causes so far in the 2020 election cycle.
The new PAC is being run by Jenifer Ancona, a co-founder of Way to Win. The committee plans to launch on Thursday with over $5 million that will be spent on targeting voters in key states, such as Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Texas and Georgia, Ancona said in an interview with CNBC. The first wave of endorsements is for Democratic candidates battling it out in federal and statewide races.
Some of the PACs early financial supporters include Liz Simons, a philanthropist and the daughter of Democratic donor James Simons; Susan Stowell Pritzker, a member of the wealthy Pritzker family that includes Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker and President Barack Obamas former Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker; and philanthropist Faye Straus.
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That is a great move! smdh
https://waytowin.us/
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Weve seen what happens when Democrats only communicate with a narrow number of voters in the narrowest number of states, rather than going as big as democracy demands. Old models of political engagement, driven by Beltway consultants who were far removed from those doing the work on the ground, led to a loss of connection with voters. That resulted in a loss of power across the states and in the U.S. Senate, and ultimately, in losing the White House in 2016. That year, we saw that repeating bad habits of the past becomes the way to lose.
But on election night in 2016, while the Beltway melted-down, local strategists were still celebrating winslike passing minimum wage in Arizona and flipping Harris County, Texas, a county with more voters than the state of Nevada. Local leaders were already dreaming of the next big ideas that could build power in the Trump eraplanning for a blue trifecta in Virginia, amending the Florida Constitution to restore voting rights to returned citizens, and plotting to take back the U.S. House. These local strategists, working from the ground up to build multiracial coalitions to back bold policy reforms via candidate campaigns and ballot initiatives, were showing us the way to win.
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For this reason, Way to Win measures impact both by number of seats picked up and, just as important, our six Signals of Success. These signals provide qualitative metrics for our team to monitor and evaluate progress beyond election day. They let us know whether were on track to build long-term power as individual races are won and lost, and allow us to measure the extent to which our resources are building for 2020 and future gains. As Jessica Byrd, architect of The Electoral Justice Project of the Movement for Black Lives, has coined: power has three pointsone: movement, two: elections, which together lead to three: better governance.
https://waytowin.us/team
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ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)Can you link the page showing the donors and all the money each person donated?
You know for transparency sake, we don't want any dirty money going to a Democratic candidate.
PS IOKIYAJD
Celerity
(43,253 posts)concerned.
and I never once claimed
that is just silly posturing
cheers
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)Guess I was wrong. Can't really find where the money come in, only out.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)I imagine that it is commendable that an heiress to oil and gas billions did something purposeful with the education, status, and security that her fossil fuel-funded privilege purchased. Philanthropic heiresses are certainly more helpful than run-of-the-mill heiresses, but I'm not quite sure that it greenwashes the genesis of her vast wealth.
Of course I edited. The distinction between a tycoon and an heiress was becoming a "Quick, look over there!" device and distraction: it's the FEC filings that should be the focus because they provide evidence that the Justice Democrats superpac accepts dark money.
The fact remains that it is a fossil fuel heiress, born into of vast dynastic wealth, whose enterprise is a source of the Justice Democrats superpac's dark money assets.
More importantly, Justice Democrats has a superpac that accepts dark money and (according to Open Secrets.org based on FEC filings) uses some of that cash against Democrats. And now Justice Democrats is making demands of President-elect Joe Biden.
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16. The Hunt family
Net worth: $13.7 billion
Source of wealth: Hunt Oil Company
H.L. Hunt laid the foundation for his family's fortune with Hunt Oil Company. His many heirs (he had 14 children) command several fortunes, from Hunt Oil and Petro-Hunt to Rosewood Hotels & Resorts. His children spend their billions on real estate, like the 6-million-square-foot underground business park SubTropolis, and sports teams they own the Kansas City Chiefs and have a minority stake in the Chicago Bulls.
https://www.businessinsider.com/richest-billionaire-families-america-2018-7
https://www.forbes.com/profile/hunt/?sh=4a2215b5275f
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Addendum: Based on Leah Hunt Hendrix's childhood home, I don't think the "she's from the poorer branch of the fossil fuel funded dynasty" talking point is altogether effective.
https://www.corcoran.com/nyc-real-estate/sold/upper-west-side/352-riverside-drive/5316223
https://ny.curbed.com/2014/9/16/10046692/grand-113-year-old-riverside-drive-mansion-lists-for-19-8m
betsuni
(25,445 posts)Assumption of corruption for others without proof.
highplainsdem
(48,957 posts)Tony Blinken and Avril Haines.
Jacobin seems just as confused as Trump about who won the election.
LeftInTX
(25,202 posts)We get a small win and they think it's a sweep...
Well, it's not a small win, but we did not do well with down ballots this cycle
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)The expression "cutting your nose to spite your face" comes to mind with these guys.
It's unbelievable how stupid this is.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The Republican Party is already considered a dangerous "post-democracy" RW authoritarian party by experts. Nearly half of America's mainstream that held the line against extremism has already fallen to it.
There's no chance these LW extremists could win against the far more powerful and advanced RW takeover well underway, but no one can know how many of them realize that as they attack democracy's embattled bulwark -- the Democratic Party -- from the left. Not that it would change anything.
The stupidity and delusions of those who require constant dishonesty to make reality fit their notions are all to real, of course. These aren't nice people, but they don't know it any more than their RW allies in battle. They're all righteous as hellfire.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)Every time.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I do know that the group (Justice Democrats) is not a friend of the Democratic party, that's for sure. For some reason they'd rather spend their time and money and effort in primary-ing incumbent Democrats than in making the same effort to put forth qualified and competitive candidates in opposition to Republican incumbents.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Justice Democrats superpac saves up all its money earmarked for "attacks" to spend on Democrats. And now they're making demands of Joe Biden.
JD only had a 50% success rate in advancing their challengers, so many of the attacks paid for by their superpac were repurposed by Republicans who used them against Democrats in the general election.
As for their 50% success rate, why do they think that Joe Biden should listen to people who lose elections as if they are experts in winning elections?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)This isn't underhanded, and it's also not news, everyone knows that Justice Democrats supports progressives in primaries. In this case, it meant specifically supporting Bowman vs Engel and Morse vs Neal.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Justice Democrats superpac (funded by dark money) helped to create and spread narratives used in Republican attack ads against incumbent Democrats who won their primaries, but wound up not winning re-election.
Ask Max Rose about it.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)a challenger who was doing it as well?
Why do politicians who attack others for taking superpac money endorse challengers who do?
Isn't that what's called a double standard?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)corporate money PAC fronting for Republicans. Jacobin in this case is right, there's a difference between a huge corporation looking to increase their profits by influencing legislation versus just an entity that is designated as a corporation for legal purposes. I preferred Bowman to Engel because I agreed more with Bowman's policies.
If you look at the candidates that JD supports (e.g. AOC, Bowman, Cori Bush, etc.), they're among the least pro-corporate around.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)from corporate sources and spend it against Democrats.
I live in NY, so I did follow the Engel race closely. What's disingenuous is accepting support from dark money/corporate-funded superpacs while attacking your opponent for doing the same.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)And, evidently, the voters in Engel's district understood that.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Dark money is dark money. PACs are PACs. Criticizing others for the very things we ourselves do does not set a good example, or reflect well upon JD.
Some me even perceive it as holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Maybe disclose all donations above $500?
Celerity
(43,253 posts)https://riverdalepress.com/stories/biaggi-gop-stay-out-democratic-primaries-engel-race,72036
There might be legitimate debate on whether states like New York should keep its primaries closed, especially in areas where one party dominates others. But one state lawmaker is crying foul for a different reason: Republicans spending money, choosing sides in Democratic primaries. "We need to free the community from Republican influence," state Sen. Alessandra Biaggi told The Riverdale Press. "Literally, as we speak, they are sending money. Why would Republicans send a Democratic congressmember $100,000?"
Biaggi is referring to a report by Ryan Grim and Akela Lacy at The Intercept, an online publication backed by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar, surmising money from a reported conservative super-PAC called Americans for Tomorrow's Future has transferred $100,000 to another super-PAC called the Democratic Majority for Israel. Although that particular PAC is known to have more Democratic leanings, it's spent some $600,000 on digital and television advertising promoting U.S. Rep. Eliot Engel and attacking his front-running primary challenger, Jamaal Bowman. The PAC, according to Grim and Lacy, has not spent money on any other campaign since receiving the boost from Tomorrow's Future on May 27.
"We have seen reports that link independent political action committee expenditures to our campaign," an Engel campaign spokesman told The Riverdale Press in a statement. "To be clear, as required by federal law, the Engel campaign has no control, contact, or coordination with these committees. We would ask the same of our opponents, and we trust that election law is being adhered to in all instances."
Biaggi originally endorsed Engel for re-election to what would be a 17th term in Congress, but reversed her decision June 5, endorsing Bowman instead. The original endorsement was part of a cross deal among Biaggi, Engel and Assemblyman Jeffrey Dinowitz as a way to solidify the northwest Bronx's major elected leaders. Biaggi withdrew from the deal not long after Engel was caught on a hot mic trying to push Bronx borough president Ruben Diaz Jr., for a chance to speak at an impromptu news conference on Fordham Road after riots there, reportedly telling Diaz that at least in terms of pushing to speak, "if I didn't have a primary, I wouldn't care."
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Riverdale Press
Founded in 1950 by David A. Stein, The Riverdale Press is a weekly newspaper that covers the Northwest Bronx neighbourhoods of Riverdale, Spuyten Duyvil, Kingsbridge, Kingsbridge Heights and Van Cortlandt Village. It is one of a handful of weeklies to win a Pulitzer Prize.
Why Is GOP Money Going to Democratic Congressman Eliot Engel?
On foreign policy, the 16-term incumbent aligns with the Republicans.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/why-is-gop-money-going-to-democratic-congressman-eliot-engel/
Todays primary election in New Yorks 16th congressional district sees insurgent candidate Jamaal Bowman challenge 16-term incumbent Representative Eliot Engel. While theyre both Democrats, a review of Engels foreign policy record shows just how much he has in common with the Republican Party. Last week, The Intercept reported that a Republican-aligned super PAC funnelled $100,000 to another super PAC, Democratic Majority for Israel, which itself has spent more than $600,000 attacking Bowman and promoting Engel. Engel and the GOP have repeatedly worked together to further an interventionist, pro-Israel foreign policy.
In 2010, Engel held a press conference with nowVice President Mike Pence, in which they opposed any UN investigation into the Israeli governments raid on a flotilla operated by activists seeking to provide humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip. Israeli commandos killed nine people, whom Engel dismissed as violent protesters. Republican Representatives Peter King, Eric Cantor, and Ted Poe joined the press conference to voice their support. Engels enthusiasm for Israel is not something he hides. A review of Engels otherwise unremarkable financial disclosure in 2019 shows that he possesses as much as $15,000 in Israeli government bonds. When President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israels capitala move that prominent Democrats like Senators Dianne Feinstein and Dick Durbin criticized as dangerous and likely to foment unrestEngel voiced his support.
But its not just Israel policy on which Engel sides with Republicans. In 2019, Engel expressed outrage at the Venezuelan government for blocking humanitarian aidthe same thing he defended when the Israeli government did it. We are outraged that Nicolas Maduro continues to block the entry of food and medical supplies into Venezuela, Engel said in testimony before the foreign affairs committee. We urge Maduro to immediately allow humanitarian aid to reach the Venezuelan people. Engel also supported the Trump administrations decision to recognize Venezuelan opposition figure Juan Guaidó as president of Venezuela, even though Guaidó was never elected. (The UN has declined to recognize Guaidó.)
Engel was also a proponent of the Iraq War, saying on the House floor in October 2002, It would be a monumental mistake not to support it. When the US military found no chemical or biological weapons, Engel echoed a Bush administration talking point, arguing that it wouldnt surprise me if those weapons of mass destruction that we cannot find in Iraq wound up and are today in Syria.
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Engels Top Donor is an AIPAC-Tied Group That Backs Powerful GOP Politicians
https://readsludge.com/2020/06/22/engels-top-donor-is-an-aipac-tied-group-that-backs-powerful-gop-politicians/
In his closely watched primary race against middle school principal Jamaal Bowman, Rep. Eliot Engels (D-N.Y.) top donor is an organization that has endorsed and fundraised for some of the most powerful Republicans in Congress who work to block progressive policies that Engel says he supports.
The Pro-Israel America PAC, which serves as a conduit for individual donors and is not subject to the standard contribution limit for multicandidate PACs of $5,000 per election, has given Engel at least $127,981 since January 1, 2019, according to Federal Election Commision records reviewed by Sludge. No entity has ever given Engel anywhere near that amount to any of his re-election campaigns over the course of his 31 year career.
Engel has received more money from Pro-Israel America PAC this cycle than all but one other candidateAntone Meltion-Meaux, who is running a primary camapign against Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.).
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GOP MONEY FLOWING TO SUPER PAC BACKING REP. ELIOT ENGEL, DOCUMENTS SHOW
Nearly $1 million in dark money has boosted Engel, who is facing a serious challenge from Jamaal Bowman, in the past few weeks.
https://theintercept.com/2020/06/15/gop-republican-super-pac-eliot-engel-jamaal-bowman/
A REPUBLICAN SUPER PAC is funding an outside effort to help reelect Democratic Rep. Eliot Engel, locked in a tight primary against insurgent Jamaal Bowman.
The super PAC is called Americans for Tomorrows Future, following in the proud tradition of nonsensically named political action committees. The connections to the GOP are apparent enough that the Center for Responsive Politics lists it as Republican/Conservative. The PACs treasurer, David Satterfield, is a former aide to one-time Republican Senate Leader Bill Frist. Satterfield works now at Huckaby Davis Lisker, a prominent firm that does election compliance and accounting work for Republican campaigns. This cycle, the firm is handling the accounts for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, National Republican Congressional Committee, and the campaign of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, among dozens of other GOP operations.
The PAC, presumably due to its visible Republican ties, is not spending directly in Engels New York primary. Instead, it funneled $100,000 to another super PAC, called Democratic Majority for Israel, on May 27. DMFI, a controversial operation inside the Democratic coalition, spent heavily against Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary, with help from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, The Intercept reported in February.
Since cashing the Americans for Tomorrows Future check, DMFI has spent more than $600,000 boosting Engel and hitting Bowman on TV, and with digital ads, mailers, and paid phone banking. DMFI has not spent money on any other race since taking money from the GOP operation.
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Americans for Tomorrow's Future (the first one talked about) also ended up directly spending almost 2.5 million USD against Omar in MN.
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C00741009&cycle=2020
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Sympthsical
(9,066 posts)Which people always seem to intimate when a conservative or moderate incumbent is running.
Weird, that one.
Celerity
(43,253 posts)so you are responding to a non sequitur by that poster
more detail
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214618597#post22
Celerity
(43,253 posts)idea what you are talking about.
https://ballotpedia.org/New_York%27s_11th_Congressional_District_election,_2020_(June_23_Democratic_primary)
The controversy with Rose (who I wanted to win, obviously) was that he said he owed no allegiance to the Democratic Party, tore in De Blasio, ran adverts saying he stood with Trump when most Dems attacked Trump (like on the Iranian strike), and blasted his Republican opponent as not supporting Trump enough.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/max-rose-donald-trump-house-democrats-impeachment-inquiry
Democratic lawmaker accuses likely GOP challenger of hating Trump
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/max-rose-republican-challenger-trump/index.html
Washington (CNN)Rep. Max Rose of New York, a Democratic congressman who represents a district President Donald Trump won in 2016, is accusing his likely GOP challenger Nicole Malliotakis of hating Trump, while his campaign questions her support for the President.
The President tweeted out an endorsement of Malliotakis on Wednesday, saying, "I know her well" and "Nicole is Strong on Crime & Borders, #2A, Cutting Taxes, & she Loves our Military & Vets."
Rose responded directly to the message on Twitter, saying, "Mr President - You probably should have done a bit more research. She hates you, your wall, and everything you've done." The tweet also posted an ad from the congressman's reelection campaign that questions Malliotakis' support for the President.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)by Republicans and right wing media to damage Democrats in general elections and by bad actors to suppress new and independent voters.
I only mention Max Rose as an example of a loss at least partially attributable to the law of unintended consequences. He's been attacked by people using both right wing and Justice Democrats-style talking points in the very same. atgument
Odd how the Justice Democrats' superpac didn't spend a penny against Republicans in 2020.
Celerity
(43,253 posts)so much moving of the goalposts on this thread, and it is not by me at all
also JD ran adverts for Biden as I already showed before
and again, you are using the same disingenuous framing about 'for' and 'against' moneys spent
the against money listed was in Democratic primaries (that they won btw)
some groups run advocacy adverts in a general, some groups run attack adverts in a general, and an advert can do both (so what column does that go in?)
Leading progressive group to launch pro-Biden ads in Arizona, Pennsylvania
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/521201-leading-progressive-group-to-launch-pro-biden-ads-in-arizona-pennsylvania
The progressive group Justice Democrats, a vocal backer of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in this year's presidential primaries, is launching an advertising blitz for Democratic nominee Joe Biden in key battleground states.
The six-figure ad buy is the groups first expenditure in support of the former vice president in the general election. The ad is set to run in Pennsylvania and Arizona, two purple states that President Trump won in 2016 but where polling shows Biden leading.
The groups digital ad appeals directly to voters on the Democratic Partys left flank who are unenthusiastic about Biden. It features a mother describing the hardships she has faced during the coronavirus pandemic and excoriates the Trump administration for its handling of the virus.
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lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Justice Democrats superpac accepts dark money, spends some of it against Democrats, and spends none it against Republicans.
Justice Democrats feel entitled to a superpac, entitled to accept dark money, entitled to spend some of it attacking Democrats, entitled to sit on their hands when it comes to taking on Republicans, and entitled to make demands of an incoming Democratic administration.
These are facts, not claims. No goal posts were moved because none were ever proffered. Documentation of the superpac, the dark money source, the record of how the superpac spent the dark money, and the petition-based demand is evidence for the accuracy of the information presented.
Anyone who chooses to spend their time trying spin away facts with an "it's OK when they do it because..." apologia is free to do so.
Celerity
(43,253 posts)pointed out to you before, and not just by me
your OP was flawed from the beginning, and you editing it has not changed that fact
you have been caught making multiple errors, using a dodgy source (now edited out) who attacks Democrats (and not just the articles I posted above), and multiple mis-framings
JD is not a favourite of mine, but they also ran general election adverts for Biden (and attacking Trump) as I already showed
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14618833
and here
Leading progressive group to launch pro-Biden ads in Arizona, Pennsylvania
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/521201-leading-progressive-group-to-launch-pro-biden-ads-in-arizona-pennsylvania
The progressive group Justice Democrats, a vocal backer of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in this year's presidential primaries, is launching an advertising blitz for Democratic nominee Joe Biden in key battleground states.
The six-figure ad buy is the groups first expenditure in support of the former vice president in the general election. The ad is set to run in Pennsylvania and Arizona, two purple states that President Trump won in 2016 but where polling shows Biden leading.
The groups digital ad appeals directly to voters on the Democratic Partys left flank who are unenthusiastic about Biden. It features a mother describing the hardships she has faced during the coronavirus pandemic and excoriates the Trump administration for its handling of the virus.
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Now here are more (and germane to this colloquy) articles by the same author, an author was who used as cudgel in your OP before being self-deleted via an ex post facto edit
that author, who was thought useful when he was having a go at someone you dislike intently was fine, but here he is saying something that I think you will take umbrage with
it is so very situational and selective to try and fob it off when it can be weaponised against a favourite whipping boy, but ignore the many other stances he takes
If I am wrong and you DO agree with the following articles, then I retract my guess that you would take umbrage with them
https://medium.com/RobletoFire/the-hidden-flow-of-bipartisan-blood-money-e148f714686f
https://medium.com/RobletoFire/democratic-megadonors-hedge-fund-loads-up-on-oil-gas-stocks-2da65bcdd704
https://medium.com/RobletoFire/the-comcast-connection-9f89eee268b2
https://medium.com/RobletoFire/its-time-for-democrats-to-stop-taking-pipeline-money-bdcfcade3168
you also tried to tie JD to attacks on Max Rose, when Rose ran unopposed and had NO primary, and the controversy with Rose had nothing to do with JD, as I showed
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214618597#post34
and you also to link criticism of Eliot Engel to getting superpac money, when the issue was that he was getting Rethug-backing superpac money
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14619256
so all in all, not buying what you are selling, sorry (other than I do wish JD would go away, but I am not going to resort to faulty framings and inferences and goalpost sliding to try and make a case for that)
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)1. Justice Democrats has a superpac.
2. Some of the money the Justice Democrats' superpac accepted was dark money.
3. The Justice Democrats superpac could have spent the money they earmarked for ads against Democrats on ads in support of their candidates.
4. Instead, the Justice Democrat superpac chose to spend their money on negative ads against Democrats.
5. The Justice Democrats chose to spend no money whatsoever against Republicans during the general election.
6. And now the Justice Democrats are making what they themselves characterize as "demands" on an incoming Democratic administration.
There's nothing disingenuous about stating those facts.
And there's no amount of posting giant pictures that will change them.
Celerity
(43,253 posts)against a Dem in the general.
The large pictures (lol) were from a problematic author you chose to elevate and use as a battering ram, and then deleted on edit.
I am done here, my body of work on this thread stands on its own, and I do not feel like flogging a dead horse.
cheers
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)instead of Against Democrats. Just saying.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)against other Dems. It's not too complicated, I'm sure you can understand it.
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)I'm sure you can understand why.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)I wonder why.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)They sometimes run completely unwinnable candidates only to divide the Democratic vote by leaving a subset angry and disenchanted. This results in the Democrat (many a time incumbent) losing the GE.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Then they won.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)In Kentucky, Amy McGrath was badly weakened by those tactics.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)McGrath lost by 20 points. Tough to blame that on the primary.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)of long-term Democrats not new-to-the-party socialist twitterslingers with no experience. The electorate in those areas (and Democratic party as a whole) is more conservative than DU and they are not going to suddenly change.
This is why a vast majority of the candidates floated by Justice Democrats lost. The ones who won were in extremely progressive deep blue districts.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Thanks to the help of Justice Democrats, the voters in those progressive districts now have representatives that reflect their views. That's a good thing.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)we lost a whole bunch of seats in the house and Biden lost Florida.
The views espoused by Justice Democrats are not radically different from the mainstream and "polished" Democratic party.
Justice Democrats only make a lot of noise to please a small minority with views ranging from socialism to communism.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Centrist Dems have been losing races since long before JD even existed.
Progressives like AOC are the future of the party, and where the excitement is. Sure, I'm glad we've got Joe Manchin instead of a Republican in WV, but it's hard to argue that people like Manchin are the base of the party.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Moderate Democrats are especially vulnerable.
The same thing happened to republicans. The tea party extremism wiped out pretty much all moderate republicans from the North East.
Besides, Cenk Uygur is a loud-mouthed idiot who was a republican and funded republican causes until he suddenly found a new gig.
I smell Russia.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)How entitled and privileged they must be to hold themselves above the rules they set for everyone else.
The OP, while well intentioned and absolutely not malicious, is a prime example of lack of due due diligence. We owe it to ourselves and our party not to fall into the low-information voter trap that has so pervasively facilitated the MAGA takeover of the GOP.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the progressive wing of the party advocating for progressive policies. Our big, beautiful party is under one enormous tent; it is counter-productive to try to force all factions under that tent to assimilate.
JDs went all in for Biden - that doesn't mean they ought to abandon their most progressive ideals now that he's won.
Sympthsical
(9,066 posts)It's fully intended to toss in guilt by association, even though the people with access to that fortune are very liberal and supportive of the Democratic party.
The person writing the article knew exactly what they were doing. Smear a progressive group by suggesting it's a right-wing plot.
Another day at DU, I suppose.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)is desperate at best.
Folks might be better off trying "I know you are, but what am I" next time.
I was quite amused at the recommendation to do due diligence from the person who had done zero due diligence.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)Or, for you know, anyones purposes?
Yeah. Fuck that noise.
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)TLP are supporting Biden ? I AM SO CONFUSED !
Celerity
(43,253 posts)https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/justice-democrats-go-all-in-on-biden-429600
A leading progressive group that attacked Joe Biden in the primary is launching a six-figure ad buy aimed at electing him this fall.
Justice Democrats, the organization that recruited Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) to run for Congress, is airing a new digital spot in the battleground states of Pennsylvania and Arizona as part of its effort to support Biden.
The ad buy marks the first time the group is spending money to back Biden, which it is doing through an independent expenditure.
The digital ad, reported first by POLITICO, features a fed-up mother who lost her job because of the coronavirus and is caring for her child at home, all while being frustrated by President Donald Trumps management of the pandemic. Like other progressive campaigns supporting Biden, it doesnt attempt to sugarcoat the fact that Biden is an unexciting candidate to many on the left a candid approach that progressives say is needed to connect with infrequent voters and Bernie Sanders supporters.
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OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)is over ?
Celerity
(43,253 posts)not a fan of either group
Celerity
(43,253 posts)He mentioned Soros in the article you posted, and also here (plus takes shots at Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton):
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)as does the fact that they have a superpac.
Celerity
(43,253 posts)lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Celerity
(43,253 posts)oil tycoon false positing.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)of President-elect Biden. Those demands are being promoted by David Sirota and The Intercept and publicized by right wing outlets to sow division within our party.
Celerity
(43,253 posts)posted (with no further explanation) that they spent money against Democrats' when it was simply a primary race where they supported another Democrat.
here
Your issue
is a valid concern, but you made multiple errors/mis-framings in trying to pursue it
I simply made attempts to correct the record.
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)The Justice Democrats' superpac spent some of that money AGAINST Democrats. The Justice Democrats' superpac DID NOT SPEND A DIME AGAINST REPUBLICANS during this cycle.
The Justice Democrats superpac collects dark money and uses part of it against Democrats. They don't use any of it against Republicans.
betsuni
(25,445 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)..of all your posts symbolize?
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)a little window opens up and tells you what the picture means.
For example, when you right click on this one, you'll discover that it means "hi".
Cha
(297,029 posts)TY lapucelle!
lapucelle
(18,231 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)i know what they are do they care?
Celerity
(43,253 posts)lapucelle
(18,231 posts)made by the pac/superpac. Anyone who has an issue with terms based on FEC filings should forward their complaints to the appropriate group or agency.
Similarly, anyone who suspects that the FEC or Open Secrets is being disingenuous should, by all means, let them know.
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C00630665&cycle=2020
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)All I know is that super liberal democrat hogging the attention and trying to be the face of the Democratic Party kills us in Purple and red states.
What plays in Brooklyn is a non starter in Orlando.
I cool with them representing their areas. But when they become the face of the party they kill us in other parts of the country.
Thats my only beef. I think AOC cost us house seats. I actually think she represents her district well. But when democrats like her become so prominent they kill us in moderate areas.
The super PAC thing is just what happens. Im concerned about the optics of the situation.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)if JD is a deep-cover republican and/or Russian operation.
The whole thing inures only to the benefit of republicans.