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lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:45 PM Nov 2020

Justice Democrats is making demands of Joe Biden. Meanwhile, the JD superpac

Last edited Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:04 PM - Edit history (2)

has been collecting dark money and spending it against Democrats.

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https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/justice-democrats/C00630665/independent-expenditures/2020

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Justice Democrats received $260,000 in donations from from the 501(c)(4) dark money group Way to Win Action Fund as well as from super PACs according to FEC filings.

https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00630665/1424877/sa/17

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Jacobin's defense for those who flout purity strictures that they impose on everyone else? "It's different when we do it".

Some of the common criticisms against Justice Democrats (or any progressive group) starting a super PAC were 1) the super PAC could take corporate money, 2) super PACs are dark-money groups that do not reveal their donors, and 3) we should not use the entities we oppose. To examine these concerns and the ethics of taking “corporate” money, we need to understand first an important legal definition. Typically, when we use the word “corporation,” we are referring to large multinational companies like McDonald’s or Walmart. But a corporation in the broadest sense is just a legally formed institution that can act as a person would in contracts and other actions.




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Justice Democrats is making demands of Joe Biden. Meanwhile, the JD superpac (Original Post) lapucelle Nov 2020 OP
JD is very popular with a "subset". R B Garr Nov 2020 #1
And why do the Sunrise Movement and Justice Democrats accept dark money from undisclosed sources and lapucelle Nov 2020 #4
the oil tycoon (Hunt) has been dead since 1974, his granddaughter is very liberal, the PAC supported Celerity Nov 2020 #14
Good to know they are not hypocrites after accepting Super PAC money. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #57
+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #59
non sequitur Celerity Nov 2020 #61
Non rebuttal because you know I'm right. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #68
no, you have been shown to not be right at all Celerity Nov 2020 #76
Exactly, especially when some Democrat "subsets" are attacked for having any R B Garr Nov 2020 #42
+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #51
Way to Win is not run by an 'oil tycoon', but a granddaughter of Hunt, and supported Biden Celerity Nov 2020 #13
Justice Democtats:"Superpacs are wonderful when we have them". lapucelle Nov 2020 #28
non sequitur Celerity Nov 2020 #30
So you are just gonna ignore your ridiculous "oil tycoon" shtick was shot to pieces? Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2020 #32
Billionaire granddaughter of an oil tycoon, isn't an oil tycoon herself? ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #58
+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #62
she is not an oil tycoon, she's an activist, she is not a billionaire, and the OP has been edited Celerity Nov 2020 #64
And yet not one of those mention Leah Hunt-Hendrix net worth. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #69
their are 2 individual billionaires in the Hunt family, Ray Lee and W. Herbert, neither of whom are Celerity Nov 2020 #73
Scrodingers Billionaire, I will conceded that Leah Hunt-Hendrix may or may not be a billionaire. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #77
so you are also outraged that they (she's not the sole founder nor controller) contributed to Biden? Celerity Nov 2020 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #84
Since you have all the anwers... ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #87
I have done enough work, you are perfectly capable of some research on your own, if you are that Celerity Nov 2020 #88
Oh ok. I figured you had the inside track on these Super PACs that the rest of us don't. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #90
She is an fossil fuel heiress with an excellent resume and most likely very good intentions. lapucelle Nov 2020 #95
Exactly. betsuni Nov 2020 #50
And their pals at Jacobin have an article saying the Senate should reject Biden nominees including highplainsdem Nov 2020 #2
So much winning......... LeftInTX Nov 2020 #3
They can go pound sand awesomerwb1 Nov 2020 #5
If only. Extremists must defeat the overwhelmingly bigger mainstream. Hortensis Nov 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Nov 2020 #63
I know they manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory treestar Nov 2020 #71
I believe that AOC was on "the board" of Justice Democrats at one time. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #6
They didn't spend one dime against Republicans this cycle. lapucelle Nov 2020 #55
They're no friend of the Democratic party... yet they feel ENTITLED to make demands? NurseJackie Nov 2020 #67
"Against Democrats" here means during primaries (D vs D), not pro-Republican. DanTex Nov 2020 #7
Yes, I understand exactly what that means. lapucelle Nov 2020 #9
Why was Engel vilified for taking superpac money by the supporters lapucelle Nov 2020 #11
I didn't follow the race closely, but it's disingenuous to paint JD as some big DanTex Nov 2020 #18
Nobody is painting JD as anything. Their record shows that they are willing to take dark money lapucelle Nov 2020 #21
That's a meaningless technicality. DanTex Nov 2020 #25
I think painting six of one as half a dozen of the other is far from meaningless. Or technical. LanternWaste Nov 2020 #26
Why don't they disclose where their money is coming from? AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #86
because Engel was getting money from Republican-backing SuperPacs Celerity Nov 2020 #29
+1000 Celerity Nov 2020 #16
Those superpac-funded narratives were used against Max Rose on Staten Island. N/T lapucelle Nov 2020 #22
I guess we should cancel primaries then! Sympthsical Nov 2020 #23
there was no Democratic primary for Max Rose in 2020, he ran unopposed and it was cancelled Celerity Nov 2020 #38
Max Rose had no Democratic primary opponent in 2020, and the primary was cancelled, so I have no Celerity Nov 2020 #34
Talking points and attacks are repurposed during the general election lapucelle Nov 2020 #49
non sequitur, that has nothing to do with what was claimed and what I addressed Celerity Nov 2020 #65
Justice Democrats' superpac accepts dark money and spends it against Democrats. lapucelle Nov 2020 #70
spending it 'against Democrats' is disingenuous, as it was during a Democratic primary, as has been Celerity Nov 2020 #74
The only folks the Justice Democrats superpac spent money AGAINST were Democrats. lapucelle Nov 2020 #80
they ran adverts for Biden blasting Trump, and gain the 'against' was in a Dem primary, it was not Celerity Nov 2020 #81
It would be nice if Democratic Super PACs would spend money Against Republicans... ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #60
They do that, of course. In primaries, Dems oppose Dems, so all Dems are campaigning DanTex Nov 2020 #72
Other posters pointed out the simple fact that this Super Pac did not. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #75
Actually, yes, they did, they supported Biden in the general. Simple fact lol. DanTex Nov 2020 #78
Yep, they supported Biden. However the reporting shows no attacks on GOP. ahoysrcsm Nov 2020 #82
Many of those are not honest primaries AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #85
Yup that's what they said about AOC. And Bowman. And Cori Bush. DanTex Nov 2020 #91
They all won in deep deep blue districts. AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #92
That's right. Why did we have centrists in those districts to begin with? DanTex Nov 2020 #93
Because the electorate in those district want mainstream competence AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #94
Guess they changed their minds, huh? DanTex Nov 2020 #96
Yeah but thanks to Justice Democrats AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #97
It's a bit silly to blame the losses of centrist Dems on progressives, don't you think? DanTex Nov 2020 #98
JD brings out silly socialist slogans and taint all Democrats AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #99
It's so disappointing that some have not done due diligence when it comes to Justice Democrats. lapucelle Nov 2020 #8
I agree! PTWB Nov 2020 #19
The oil tycoon bit is absolutely malicious Sympthsical Nov 2020 #24
Argumentum ad ignorantiam (especially as a failed attempt at invective) lapucelle Nov 2020 #31
LOL PTWB Nov 2020 #37
All 8 of them? octoberlib Nov 2020 #10
"Justice Democrats" are telling us *Corporations are People* for their purposes? Maru Kitteh Nov 2020 #12
Is this the same Justice Democrats who someone here posted their attack on The Lincoln Project, when OnDoutside Nov 2020 #15
Justice Democrats go all-in on Biden Celerity Nov 2020 #17
So they won't be doing what they are accusing TLP of, now that the election OnDoutside Nov 2020 #43
now that the election is over (other than the GA run-offs) both can go away for all I care Celerity Nov 2020 #44
The Medium author you cite, Robbie Jaeger, is obsessed with George Soros, and a big Tulsi fan btw Celerity Nov 2020 #20
Now there's a direct link to the FEC filings. The fact that JD accepted dark money stands, lapucelle Nov 2020 #33
I never disputed that, nor am I a JD fangirl at all nt Celerity Nov 2020 #35
So the purpose of the giant pictures and text was to.... lapucelle Nov 2020 #36
an attempt(s) to give a fuller picture on the entire debate, plus correct mis-framings like the Celerity Nov 2020 #39
The facts are the facts. Justice Democrats accepts dark money, has a superpac, and is making demands lapucelle Nov 2020 #40
those issues are not what my replies dealt with, & you also used a disingenuous framing when you Celerity Nov 2020 #41
The record stands exactly as stated: Justice Democrats has a superpac that accepts dark money. lapucelle Nov 2020 #54
K&R betsuni Nov 2020 #45
Off-topic question: what does the coffee & doughnut pic that you have at the end.. aidbo Nov 2020 #46
If you right click on the image in the DU smilie map lapucelle Nov 2020 #47
JD gets Nothing from Joe Biden. Cha Nov 2020 #48
Did you know that the Justice Democrats superpac did not spend a dime against Republicans this year? lapucelle Nov 2020 #52
I didn't know it specifically But Cha Nov 2020 #53
That depends on how you define 'against'. They ran adverts for Biden in the general ripping Trump Celerity Nov 2020 #66
I'm not the one defining "against". Open Secrets reports data based on FEC filings lapucelle Nov 2020 #89
I can't get into the minutia of the Bullshit. GulfCoast66 Nov 2020 #56
Sometimes I wonder silently AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #83

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
1. JD is very popular with a "subset".
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:49 PM
Nov 2020

Subset seems to the term used by some, so it seems applicable here, as well.

I see an oil tycoon’s name in there. Why ever would an oil tycoon want to fund Justice Democrats...? Hmmm

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
4. And why do the Sunrise Movement and Justice Democrats accept dark money from undisclosed sources and
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:58 PM
Nov 2020

Last edited Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:26 PM - Edit history (1)

then claim that they do not accept corporate funds when they don't actually know where the money is coming from?

Sunrise Movement’s tweets included a clarification that they and Justice Democrats would not take corporate money because “to do so would be hypocritical.”




https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/06/socialists-super-pacs-campaign-finance-justice-democrats

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
57. Good to know they are not hypocrites after accepting Super PAC money.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 03:19 AM
Nov 2020

on a brighter note I can again use IOKIYAJD.

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
76. no, you have been shown to not be right at all
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:32 PM
Nov 2020

and that rebuttal was legit, as you did employ a non sequitur

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
42. Exactly, especially when some Democrat "subsets" are attacked for having any
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:34 PM
Nov 2020

kind of money that's not properly earned by the purity brigade. There's a fresh tweet, since all of her tweets are posted, talking about how dirty billionaires are, and Hunt is certainly a billionaire. How does a billionaire like Hunt qualify for the In crowd? An oil billionaire at that. Hmmm

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
13. Way to Win is not run by an 'oil tycoon', but a granddaughter of Hunt, and supported Biden
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:24 PM
Nov 2020
They are very liberal, the oil tycoon reference is misleading as his granddaughter is the opposite of his politics (he is long dead as well, he died in 1974)

https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C90019878&cycle=2020



https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C00686832&cycle=2020



https://waytowin.us/



https://waytowin.us/team


Celerity

(43,253 posts)
64. she is not an oil tycoon, she's an activist, she is not a billionaire, and the OP has been edited
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 05:43 AM
Nov 2020

from when I made the comment

here is what was removed

co-founded by Leah Hunt-Hendrix, granddaughter of Texas oil tycoon H.L. Hunt, and niece of Kansas City Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt — as well as Democracy Alliance (according to the NY Times).


H.L. Hunt was the oil tycoon, not Leah, one of his many grandchildren

HL. Hunt had FIFTEEN children

around 40 grandchildren




Leah's mum, Helen LaKelly Hunt (the 14th of HL Hunt's 15 children) and is also an activist/philanthropist, nothing to do with the petrol industry. It was some of the oldest sons, plus Ray Lee of HL Hunt who took over the family oil business . That is where most of the wealth is.

H.L. Hunt had three families, and two of them were a secret, at least for a while. Over one eight-year period in the late twenties and early thirties, he had seven children by two wives, none of whom knew of the others’ existence. As if that weren’t enough, he later had a third secret family.

Leah's brother Hunter Hunt-Hendrix is the transgender lead singer of the death metal band Liturgy, so following your logic, he is an oil tycoon as well, lololol



Leah Hunt-Hendrix

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Hunt-Hendrix

Leah Hunt-Hendrix is an activist, political theorist, and movement builder, who writes and speaks about the new economy, solidarity, and funding progressive social movements.[1] Hunt-Hendrix has a PhD in Religion, Ethics, and Politics from Princeton University. She was involved in the Occupy Wall Street movement and she has co-founded three organizations: Solidaire Network, the Emergent Fund and Way to Win

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Other Activism

Immediately after the 2016 election, Hunt-Hendrix co-founded the Emergent Fund, a partnership between Solidaire Network, Women Donors Network, Threshold Foundation, and the Democracy Alliance. The Fund is governed by an Advisory Council made up of leaders who represent communities who the Fund is designed to serve. As a member of the Advisory Council,[8] Hunt-Hendrix assists others in moving quick resources with no strings attached to underserved communities—including immigrants, women, Muslim and Arab-American communities, Black people, LGBTQ communities, and all people of color.

In 2018, Hunt-Hendrix co-founded Way to Win. Way to Win is a resource and strategy hub that seeks a new approach to progressive political spending and elections, advances transformative policy, and builds lasting power. The network supports organizations and candidates that envision a more just future and that are accountable to low income communities and people of color.

Board Appointments and Memberships

Hunt-Hendrix is a member of Democracy Alliance and Women Moving Millions. She is an Associate Fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies. She is on the Board of Directors of the Solutions Project.

Past Appointments, Previous Roles & Activism

Hunt-Hendrix’s past appointments include: Board of Directors of the New Economy Coalition, The Worker’s Lab, Free Speech for People and EDGE Funders Alliance, and the Advisory Board of The Wildfire Project. She was the director of the New Economies Initiative at ThoughtWorks, and a home-care assistant at an intentional community called L’Arche.

Education

Leah completed her doctorate at Princeton University in Religion, Ethics and Politics in 2013, where she wrote on the concept of solidarity. Jeffrey Stout, Eric Gregory, and Cornel West were her Ph.D. advisors. She was a participant in the Occupy Wall Street movement, and a theorist of the nature of the movement. Hunt-Hendrix received a Bachelor's degree in Political Science and Governance from Duke University in 2005.

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
69. And yet not one of those mention Leah Hunt-Hendrix net worth.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:43 AM
Nov 2020

But I'm sure you knew that when replying.

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
73. their are 2 individual billionaires in the Hunt family, Ray Lee and W. Herbert, neither of whom are
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:01 PM
Nov 2020

Leah's father. Johnelle is not related, different Hunt family.

HL Hunt's fortune was dived up amongst dozens of people.

https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#233cb413d788



No Hendrix billionaires



No LaKelly billionaires



https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2020/02/02/meet-the-153-billion-family-behind-sundays-super-bowl-win/?sh=86792732e7b3




The Kansas City Chiefs are worth 2.3 billion USD, but that is not Leah's family, and the ownership is split between multiple people

https://www.espn.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/70647/kansas-city-chiefs-ownership-at-a-glance




Leah's parents

https://networthpost.org/net-worth/helen-lakelly-hunt-net-worth/



https://networthpost.org/net-worth/harville-hendrix-net-worth/




For arguments sake, lets assume those 2 figures are off by FIFTY FOLD

so a combined 500 million USD (which is an outrageous exaggeration, but for the sake of the example let's say it is so)

they have 6 children

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/finding-love/201411/harville-hendrix-and-helen-hunt-insight-gems-singles




so even with a ridiculous 50 FOLD increase (over the listed net worth) in that nuclear family's wealth

and assuming that the 6 children get 1/6th each

that is around

83 million per child, a far cry from billionaire level

even if they were worth 3 billion (which is beyond ridiculous), that is only half a billion per child

and the parents are still living, so the wealth has not been transferred in toto

I will tell you what

I will make a deal with you

bookmark this

you definitively show me that Leah Hunt-Hendrix is a billionaire, I will delete my account

you do the same if you cannot prove this by January 1st, 2021

you will not be able to do so because she is not

she is not an oil tycoon, and she is not a billionaire

book it

and you have a golden opportunity

one I have never offered before to anyone

take me out, take me off the board

you know you want to

here is a snapshot of what I just offered

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
77. Scrodingers Billionaire, I will conceded that Leah Hunt-Hendrix may or may not be a billionaire.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:38 PM
Nov 2020

However, as she herself claims to be a part of the 1%, I question their motives and the motives of their Super PAC spending.

IOKIYAJD

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
79. so you are also outraged that they (she's not the sole founder nor controller) contributed to Biden?
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 01:13 PM
Nov 2020
Way to Win is a great organisation, working hard to help take on social and economic issues that our party holds near and dear. They have contributed over 60 million dollars in 2020 to help Democrats win down ballot races.

It is ridiculous that a since-pulled (edited out by the OP) article has somehow brought them into the line of fire over people's desire to roast JD. Especially as Leah Hunt-Hendrix was singularly pulled out by the dodgy author (he attacks Democrats in his other articles, many of which I exposed down thread, plus he has a Soros obsession (again shown down thread), when Hunt-Hendrix is but one of many involved.


https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C90019878&cycle=2020



https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C00686832&cycle=2020




Leaders of progressive donor fund launch new PAC focusing on down-ballot races

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/10/leaders-of-progressive-donor-fund-launch-new-pac-way-to-lead-.html

The leaders of a progressive donor fund are launching a political action committee aiming to help down-ballot candidates. The committee, called Way to Lead, is meant to act as a hybrid PAC that will contribute to candidates at state and federal levels.

The group’s affiliated state PACs are also slated to help. The overall effort will include spending on advertisements and voter outreach. It is being run by a co-founder of Way to Win, a fundraising hub dedicated to helping progressive candidates and organizations.

Way to Win has moved over $60 million to progressive Democratic causes so far in the 2020 election cycle.

The new PAC is being run by Jenifer Ancona, a co-founder of Way to Win. The committee plans to launch on Thursday with over $5 million that will be spent on targeting voters in key states, such as Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Texas and Georgia, Ancona said in an interview with CNBC. The first wave of endorsements is for Democratic candidates battling it out in federal and statewide races.

Some of the PAC’s early financial supporters include Liz Simons, a philanthropist and the daughter of Democratic donor James Simons; Susan Stowell Pritzker, a member of the wealthy Pritzker family that includes Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker and President Barack Obama’s former Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker; and philanthropist Faye Straus.

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By all means, start attacking a large Democratic-contributing org that is tied to the Pritzker's and the Simons's (two of the biggest overall Democratic contributing families and who (the families) include actual elected Dems (JB Pritzker, Governor of IL) Dem Cabinet officials (Obamas ex Sec. of Commerce, Penny Pritzker) and who are actual real billionaires (Jim Simons is worth over 23 billion alone).

That is a great move! smdh






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Response to Celerity (Reply #79)

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
87. Since you have all the anwers...
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:22 PM
Nov 2020

Can you link the page showing the donors and all the money each person donated?

You know for transparency sake, we don't want any dirty money going to a Democratic candidate.


PS IOKIYAJD

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
88. I have done enough work, you are perfectly capable of some research on your own, if you are that
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:26 PM
Nov 2020

concerned.

and I never once claimed

Since you have all the anwers...


that is just silly posturing

cheers

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
90. Oh ok. I figured you had the inside track on these Super PACs that the rest of us don't.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 03:40 PM
Nov 2020

Guess I was wrong. Can't really find where the money come in, only out.

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
95. She is an fossil fuel heiress with an excellent resume and most likely very good intentions.
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 12:38 PM
Nov 2020

I imagine that it is commendable that an heiress to oil and gas billions did something purposeful with the education, status, and security that her fossil fuel-funded privilege purchased. Philanthropic heiresses are certainly more helpful than run-of-the-mill heiresses, but I'm not quite sure that it greenwashes the genesis of her vast wealth.

Of course I edited. The distinction between a tycoon and an heiress was becoming a "Quick, look over there!" device and distraction: it's the FEC filings that should be the focus because they provide evidence that the Justice Democrats superpac accepts dark money.

The fact remains that it is a fossil fuel heiress, born into of vast dynastic wealth, whose enterprise is a source of the Justice Democrats superpac's dark money assets.

More importantly, Justice Democrats has a superpac that accepts dark money and (according to Open Secrets.org based on FEC filings) uses some of that cash against Democrats. And now Justice Democrats is making demands of President-elect Joe Biden.

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The 28 richest American families, ranked

16. The Hunt family
Net worth: $13.7 billion
Source of wealth: Hunt Oil Company


H.L. Hunt laid the foundation for his family's fortune with Hunt Oil Company. His many heirs (he had 14 children) command several fortunes, from Hunt Oil and Petro-Hunt to Rosewood Hotels & Resorts. His children spend their billions on real estate, like the 6-million-square-foot underground business park SubTropolis, and sports teams — they own the Kansas City Chiefs and have a minority stake in the Chicago Bulls.


https://www.businessinsider.com/richest-billionaire-families-america-2018-7

https://www.forbes.com/profile/hunt/?sh=4a2215b5275f

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Addendum: Based on Leah Hunt Hendrix's childhood home, I don't think the "she's from the poorer branch of the fossil fuel funded dynasty" talking point is altogether effective.





https://www.corcoran.com/nyc-real-estate/sold/upper-west-side/352-riverside-drive/5316223

https://ny.curbed.com/2014/9/16/10046692/grand-113-year-old-riverside-drive-mansion-lists-for-19-8m




highplainsdem

(48,957 posts)
2. And their pals at Jacobin have an article saying the Senate should reject Biden nominees including
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:51 PM
Nov 2020

Tony Blinken and Avril Haines.


Jacobin seems just as confused as Trump about who won the election.

LeftInTX

(25,202 posts)
3. So much winning.........
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:57 PM
Nov 2020

We get a small win and they think it's a sweep...

Well, it's not a small win, but we did not do well with down ballots this cycle

awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
5. They can go pound sand
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:58 PM
Nov 2020

The expression "cutting your nose to spite your face" comes to mind with these guys.

It's unbelievable how stupid this is.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. If only. Extremists must defeat the overwhelmingly bigger mainstream.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:14 PM
Nov 2020

The Republican Party is already considered a dangerous "post-democracy" RW authoritarian party by experts. Nearly half of America's mainstream that held the line against extremism has already fallen to it.

There's no chance these LW extremists could win against the far more powerful and advanced RW takeover well underway, but no one can know how many of them realize that as they attack democracy's embattled bulwark -- the Democratic Party -- from the left. Not that it would change anything.

The stupidity and delusions of those who require constant dishonesty to make reality fit their notions are all to real, of course. These aren't nice people, but they don't know it any more than their RW allies in battle. They're all righteous as hellfire.

Response to Hortensis (Reply #27)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. I believe that AOC was on "the board" of Justice Democrats at one time.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:59 PM
Nov 2020

I do know that the group (Justice Democrats) is not a friend of the Democratic party, that's for sure. For some reason they'd rather spend their time and money and effort in primary-ing incumbent Democrats than in making the same effort to put forth qualified and competitive candidates in opposition to Republican incumbents.

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
55. They didn't spend one dime against Republicans this cycle.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 01:17 AM
Nov 2020

Justice Democrats superpac saves up all its money earmarked for "attacks" to spend on Democrats. And now they're making demands of Joe Biden.

JD only had a 50% success rate in advancing their challengers, so many of the attacks paid for by their superpac were repurposed by Republicans who used them against Democrats in the general election.

As for their 50% success rate, why do they think that Joe Biden should listen to people who lose elections as if they are experts in winning elections?



DanTex

(20,709 posts)
7. "Against Democrats" here means during primaries (D vs D), not pro-Republican.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:02 PM
Nov 2020

This isn't underhanded, and it's also not news, everyone knows that Justice Democrats supports progressives in primaries. In this case, it meant specifically supporting Bowman vs Engel and Morse vs Neal.

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
9. Yes, I understand exactly what that means.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:09 PM
Nov 2020

Justice Democrats superpac (funded by dark money) helped to create and spread narratives used in Republican attack ads against incumbent Democrats who won their primaries, but wound up not winning re-election.

Ask Max Rose about it.

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
11. Why was Engel vilified for taking superpac money by the supporters
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:14 PM
Nov 2020

a challenger who was doing it as well?

Why do politicians who attack others for taking superpac money endorse challengers who do?

Isn't that what's called a double standard?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
18. I didn't follow the race closely, but it's disingenuous to paint JD as some big
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:49 PM
Nov 2020

corporate money PAC fronting for Republicans. Jacobin in this case is right, there's a difference between a huge corporation looking to increase their profits by influencing legislation versus just an entity that is designated as a corporation for legal purposes. I preferred Bowman to Engel because I agreed more with Bowman's policies.

If you look at the candidates that JD supports (e.g. AOC, Bowman, Cori Bush, etc.), they're among the least pro-corporate around.

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
21. Nobody is painting JD as anything. Their record shows that they are willing to take dark money
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:00 PM
Nov 2020

from corporate sources and spend it against Democrats.

I live in NY, so I did follow the Engel race closely. What's disingenuous is accepting support from dark money/corporate-funded superpacs while attacking your opponent for doing the same.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
25. That's a meaningless technicality.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

And, evidently, the voters in Engel's district understood that.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. I think painting six of one as half a dozen of the other is far from meaningless. Or technical.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:11 PM
Nov 2020

Dark money is dark money. PACs are PACs. Criticizing others for the very things we ourselves do does not set a good example, or reflect well upon JD.

Some me even perceive it as holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
86. Why don't they disclose where their money is coming from?
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:19 PM
Nov 2020

Maybe disclose all donations above $500?

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
29. because Engel was getting money from Republican-backing SuperPacs
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:42 PM
Nov 2020
Biaggi: GOP must stay out of Democratic primaries

https://riverdalepress.com/stories/biaggi-gop-stay-out-democratic-primaries-engel-race,72036

There might be legitimate debate on whether states like New York should keep its primaries closed, especially in areas where one party dominates others. But one state lawmaker is crying foul for a different reason: Republicans spending money, choosing sides in Democratic primaries. "We need to free the community from Republican influence," state Sen. Alessandra Biaggi told The Riverdale Press. "Literally, as we speak, they are sending money. Why would Republicans send a Democratic congressmember $100,000?"

Biaggi is referring to a report by Ryan Grim and Akela Lacy at The Intercept, an online publication backed by eBay founder Pierre Omidyar, surmising money from a reported conservative super-PAC called Americans for Tomorrow's Future has transferred $100,000 to another super-PAC called the Democratic Majority for Israel. Although that particular PAC is known to have more Democratic leanings, it's spent some $600,000 on digital and television advertising promoting U.S. Rep. Eliot Engel and attacking his front-running primary challenger, Jamaal Bowman. The PAC, according to Grim and Lacy, has not spent money on any other campaign since receiving the boost from Tomorrow's Future on May 27.

"We have seen reports that link independent political action committee expenditures to our campaign," an Engel campaign spokesman told The Riverdale Press in a statement. "To be clear, as required by federal law, the Engel campaign has no control, contact, or coordination with these committees. We would ask the same of our opponents, and we trust that election law is being adhered to in all instances."

Biaggi originally endorsed Engel for re-election to what would be a 17th term in Congress, but reversed her decision June 5, endorsing Bowman instead. The original endorsement was part of a cross deal among Biaggi, Engel and Assemblyman Jeffrey Dinowitz as a way to solidify the northwest Bronx's major elected leaders. Biaggi withdrew from the deal not long after Engel was caught on a hot mic trying to push Bronx borough president Ruben Diaz Jr., for a chance to speak at an impromptu news conference on Fordham Road after riots there, reportedly telling Diaz that at least in terms of pushing to speak, "if I didn't have a primary, I wouldn't care."

snip


Riverdale Press

Founded in 1950 by David A. Stein, The Riverdale Press is a weekly newspaper that covers the Northwest Bronx neighbourhoods of Riverdale, Spuyten Duyvil, Kingsbridge, Kingsbridge Heights and Van Cortlandt Village. It is one of a handful of weeklies to win a Pulitzer Prize.


Why Is GOP Money Going to Democratic Congressman Eliot Engel?

On foreign policy, the 16-term incumbent aligns with the Republicans.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/why-is-gop-money-going-to-democratic-congressman-eliot-engel/

Today’s primary election in New York’s 16th congressional district sees insurgent candidate Jamaal Bowman challenge 16-term incumbent Representative Eliot Engel. While they’re both Democrats, a review of Engel’s foreign policy record shows just how much he has in common with the Republican Party. Last week, The Intercept reported that a Republican-aligned super PAC funnelled $100,000 to another super PAC, Democratic Majority for Israel, which itself has spent more than $600,000 attacking Bowman and promoting Engel. Engel and the GOP have repeatedly worked together to further an interventionist, pro-Israel foreign policy.

In 2010, Engel held a press conference with now–Vice President Mike Pence, in which they opposed any UN investigation into the Israeli government’s raid on a flotilla operated by activists seeking to provide humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip. Israeli commandos killed nine people, whom Engel dismissed as “violent protesters.” Republican Representatives Peter King, Eric Cantor, and Ted Poe joined the press conference to voice their support. Engel’s enthusiasm for Israel is not something he hides. A review of Engel’s otherwise unremarkable financial disclosure in 2019 shows that he possesses as much as $15,000 in Israeli government bonds. When President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital—a move that prominent Democrats like Senators Dianne Feinstein and Dick Durbin criticized as dangerous and likely to foment unrest—Engel voiced his support.

But it’s not just Israel policy on which Engel sides with Republicans. In 2019, Engel expressed “outrage” at the Venezuelan government for blocking humanitarian aid—the same thing he defended when the Israeli government did it. “We are outraged that Nicolas Maduro continues to block the entry of food and medical supplies into Venezuela,” Engel said in testimony before the foreign affairs committee. “We urge Maduro to immediately allow humanitarian aid to reach the Venezuelan people.” Engel also supported the Trump administration’s decision to recognize Venezuelan opposition figure Juan Guaidó as president of Venezuela, even though Guaidó was never elected. (The UN has declined to recognize Guaidó.)

Engel was also a proponent of the Iraq War, saying on the House floor in October 2002, “It would be a monumental mistake not to support” it. When the US military found no chemical or biological weapons, Engel echoed a Bush administration talking point, arguing that it “wouldn’t surprise me if those weapons of mass destruction that we cannot find in Iraq wound up and are today in Syria.”

snip

Engel’s Top Donor is an AIPAC-Tied Group That Backs Powerful GOP Politicians


https://readsludge.com/2020/06/22/engels-top-donor-is-an-aipac-tied-group-that-backs-powerful-gop-politicians/

In his closely watched primary race against middle school principal Jamaal Bowman, Rep. Eliot Engel’s (D-N.Y.) top donor is an organization that has endorsed and fundraised for some of the most powerful Republicans in Congress who work to block progressive policies that Engel says he supports.

The Pro-Israel America PAC, which serves as a conduit for individual donors and is not subject to the standard contribution limit for multicandidate PACs of $5,000 per election, has given Engel at least $127,981 since January 1, 2019, according to Federal Election Commision records reviewed by Sludge. No entity has ever given Engel anywhere near that amount to any of his re-election campaigns over the course of his 31 year career.

In addition to Engel, Pro-Israel America PAC has raised money this cycle for Republican House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) and far-right GOP senators who reliably side with Mitch McConnell to block Democratic bills, including Sens. Tom Cotton (Ark.), David Perdue (Ga.), and Joni Ernst (Iowa).

Engel has received more money from Pro-Israel America PAC this cycle than all but one other candidate—Antone Meltion-Meaux, who is running a primary camapign against Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.).


snip



GOP MONEY FLOWING TO SUPER PAC BACKING REP. ELIOT ENGEL, DOCUMENTS SHOW

Nearly $1 million in dark money has boosted Engel, who is facing a serious challenge from Jamaal Bowman, in the past few weeks.


https://theintercept.com/2020/06/15/gop-republican-super-pac-eliot-engel-jamaal-bowman/

A REPUBLICAN SUPER PAC is funding an outside effort to help reelect Democratic Rep. Eliot Engel, locked in a tight primary against insurgent Jamaal Bowman.

The super PAC is called Americans for Tomorrow’s Future, following in the proud tradition of nonsensically named political action committees. The connections to the GOP are apparent enough that the Center for Responsive Politics lists it as “Republican/Conservative.” The PAC’s treasurer, David Satterfield, is a former aide to one-time Republican Senate Leader Bill Frist. Satterfield works now at Huckaby Davis Lisker, a prominent firm that does election compliance and accounting work for Republican campaigns. This cycle, the firm is handling the accounts for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, National Republican Congressional Committee, and the campaign of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, among dozens of other GOP operations.

The PAC, presumably due to its visible Republican ties, is not spending directly in Engel’s New York primary. Instead, it funneled $100,000 to another super PAC, called Democratic Majority for Israel, on May 27. DMFI, a controversial operation inside the Democratic coalition, spent heavily against Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary, with help from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, The Intercept reported in February.

Since cashing the Americans for Tomorrow’s Future check, DMFI has spent more than $600,000 boosting Engel and hitting Bowman on TV, and with digital ads, mailers, and paid phone banking. DMFI has not spent money on any other race since taking money from the GOP operation.

snip





Americans for Tomorrow's Future (the first one talked about) also ended up directly spending almost 2.5 million USD against Omar in MN.

https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C00741009&cycle=2020

Sympthsical

(9,066 posts)
23. I guess we should cancel primaries then!
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:05 PM
Nov 2020

Which people always seem to intimate when a conservative or moderate incumbent is running.

Weird, that one.

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
38. there was no Democratic primary for Max Rose in 2020, he ran unopposed and it was cancelled
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:16 PM
Nov 2020

so you are responding to a non sequitur by that poster


more detail

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214618597#post22

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
34. Max Rose had no Democratic primary opponent in 2020, and the primary was cancelled, so I have no
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:11 PM
Nov 2020

idea what you are talking about.

https://ballotpedia.org/New_York%27s_11th_Congressional_District_election,_2020_(June_23_Democratic_primary)


The controversy with Rose (who I wanted to win, obviously) was that he said he owed no allegiance to the Democratic Party, tore in De Blasio, ran adverts saying he stood with Trump when most Dems attacked Trump (like on the Iranian strike), and blasted his Republican opponent as not supporting Trump enough.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/max-rose-donald-trump-house-democrats-impeachment-inquiry

“I have zero allegiance to the Democratic Party, zero,” Max Rose says emphatically as we chase a meatball pizza with a few Bud Lights at Denino’s Pizzeria in Elm Park, a postindustrial neighborhood of Staten Island. Rose, of course, had plenty of reasons to distance himself from the party. Last year, the 32-year-old veteran became only the second Democrat since 1981 to win a congressional race in New York’s Trump-friendly 11th district, in large part by pitching himself as a political outsider. “I am a populist,” he tells me, before clarifying that he is of the “non-xenophobic” variety. Days later, he published an op-ed that argued against impeaching Donald Trump.



Democratic lawmaker accuses likely GOP challenger of hating Trump

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/max-rose-republican-challenger-trump/index.html

Washington (CNN)Rep. Max Rose of New York, a Democratic congressman who represents a district President Donald Trump won in 2016, is accusing his likely GOP challenger Nicole Malliotakis of hating Trump, while his campaign questions her support for the President.

The President tweeted out an endorsement of Malliotakis on Wednesday, saying, "I know her well" and "Nicole is Strong on Crime & Borders, #2A, Cutting Taxes, & she Loves our Military & Vets."
Rose responded directly to the message on Twitter, saying, "Mr President - You probably should have done a bit more research. She hates you, your wall, and everything you've done." The tweet also posted an ad from the congressman's reelection campaign that questions Malliotakis' support for the President.






lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
49. Talking points and attacks are repurposed during the general election
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:22 PM
Nov 2020

by Republicans and right wing media to damage Democrats in general elections and by bad actors to suppress new and independent voters.

I only mention Max Rose as an example of a loss at least partially attributable to the law of unintended consequences. He's been attacked by people using both right wing and Justice Democrats-style talking points in the very same. atgument

Odd how the Justice Democrats' superpac didn't spend a penny against Republicans in 2020.

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
65. non sequitur, that has nothing to do with what was claimed and what I addressed
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 06:17 AM
Nov 2020

so much moving of the goalposts on this thread, and it is not by me at all

also JD ran adverts for Biden as I already showed before

and again, you are using the same disingenuous framing about 'for' and 'against' moneys spent

the against money listed was in Democratic primaries (that they won btw)

some groups run advocacy adverts in a general, some groups run attack adverts in a general, and an advert can do both (so what column does that go in?)


Leading progressive group to launch pro-Biden ads in Arizona, Pennsylvania

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/521201-leading-progressive-group-to-launch-pro-biden-ads-in-arizona-pennsylvania

The progressive group Justice Democrats, a vocal backer of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in this year's presidential primaries, is launching an advertising blitz for Democratic nominee Joe Biden in key battleground states.

The six-figure ad buy is the group’s first expenditure in support of the former vice president in the general election. The ad is set to run in Pennsylvania and Arizona, two purple states that President Trump won in 2016 but where polling shows Biden leading.

The group’s digital ad appeals directly to voters on the Democratic Party’s left flank who are unenthusiastic about Biden. It features a mother describing the hardships she has faced during the coronavirus pandemic and excoriates the Trump administration for its handling of the virus.

snip

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
70. Justice Democrats' superpac accepts dark money and spends it against Democrats.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 11:32 AM
Nov 2020

Justice Democrats superpac accepts dark money, spends some of it against Democrats, and spends none it against Republicans.

Justice Democrats feel entitled to a superpac, entitled to accept dark money, entitled to spend some of it attacking Democrats, entitled to sit on their hands when it comes to taking on Republicans, and entitled to make demands of an incoming Democratic administration.

These are facts, not claims. No goal posts were moved because none were ever proffered. Documentation of the superpac, the dark money source, the record of how the superpac spent the dark money, and the petition-based demand is evidence for the accuracy of the information presented.

Anyone who chooses to spend their time trying spin away facts with an "it's OK when they do it because..." apologia is free to do so.



Celerity

(43,253 posts)
74. spending it 'against Democrats' is disingenuous, as it was during a Democratic primary, as has been
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:26 PM
Nov 2020

pointed out to you before, and not just by me



your OP was flawed from the beginning, and you editing it has not changed that fact

you have been caught making multiple errors, using a dodgy source (now edited out) who attacks Democrats (and not just the articles I posted above), and multiple mis-framings

JD is not a favourite of mine, but they also ran general election adverts for Biden (and attacking Trump) as I already showed

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14618833

and here

Leading progressive group to launch pro-Biden ads in Arizona, Pennsylvania

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/521201-leading-progressive-group-to-launch-pro-biden-ads-in-arizona-pennsylvania

The progressive group Justice Democrats, a vocal backer of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in this year's presidential primaries, is launching an advertising blitz for Democratic nominee Joe Biden in key battleground states.

The six-figure ad buy is the group’s first expenditure in support of the former vice president in the general election. The ad is set to run in Pennsylvania and Arizona, two purple states that President Trump won in 2016 but where polling shows Biden leading.

The group’s digital ad appeals directly to voters on the Democratic Party’s left flank who are unenthusiastic about Biden. It features a mother describing the hardships she has faced during the coronavirus pandemic and excoriates the Trump administration for its handling of the virus.

snip


Now here are more (and germane to this colloquy) articles by the same author, an author was who used as cudgel in your OP before being self-deleted via an ex post facto edit

that author, who was thought useful when he was having a go at someone you dislike intently was fine, but here he is saying something that I think you will take umbrage with

it is so very situational and selective to try and fob it off when it can be weaponised against a favourite whipping boy, but ignore the many other stances he takes


If I am wrong and you DO agree with the following articles, then I retract my guess that you would take umbrage with them

https://medium.com/RobletoFire/the-hidden-flow-of-bipartisan-blood-money-e148f714686f




https://medium.com/RobletoFire/democratic-megadonors-hedge-fund-loads-up-on-oil-gas-stocks-2da65bcdd704




https://medium.com/RobletoFire/the-comcast-connection-9f89eee268b2




https://medium.com/RobletoFire/its-time-for-democrats-to-stop-taking-pipeline-money-bdcfcade3168





you also tried to tie JD to attacks on Max Rose, when Rose ran unopposed and had NO primary, and the controversy with Rose had nothing to do with JD, as I showed

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214618597#post34

and you also to link criticism of Eliot Engel to getting superpac money, when the issue was that he was getting Rethug-backing superpac money

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14619256


so all in all, not buying what you are selling, sorry (other than I do wish JD would go away, but I am not going to resort to faulty framings and inferences and goalpost sliding to try and make a case for that)


lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
80. The only folks the Justice Democrats superpac spent money AGAINST were Democrats.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 01:54 PM
Nov 2020

1. Justice Democrats has a superpac.

2. Some of the money the Justice Democrats' superpac accepted was dark money.

3. The Justice Democrats superpac could have spent the money they earmarked for ads against Democrats on ads in support of their candidates.

4. Instead, the Justice Democrat superpac chose to spend their money on negative ads against Democrats.

5. The Justice Democrats chose to spend no money whatsoever against Republicans during the general election.

6. And now the Justice Democrats are making what they themselves characterize as "demands" on an incoming Democratic administration.


There's nothing disingenuous about stating those facts.

And there's no amount of posting giant pictures that will change them.

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
81. they ran adverts for Biden blasting Trump, and gain the 'against' was in a Dem primary, it was not
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:09 PM
Nov 2020

against a Dem in the general.

The large pictures (lol) were from a problematic author you chose to elevate and use as a battering ram, and then deleted on edit.

I am done here, my body of work on this thread stands on its own, and I do not feel like flogging a dead horse.

cheers

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
60. It would be nice if Democratic Super PACs would spend money Against Republicans...
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 03:30 AM
Nov 2020

instead of Against Democrats. Just saying.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
72. They do that, of course. In primaries, Dems oppose Dems, so all Dems are campaigning
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 11:57 AM
Nov 2020

against other Dems. It's not too complicated, I'm sure you can understand it.

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
75. Other posters pointed out the simple fact that this Super Pac did not.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:27 PM
Nov 2020

I'm sure you can understand why.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
85. Many of those are not honest primaries
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:17 PM
Nov 2020

They sometimes run completely unwinnable candidates only to divide the Democratic vote by leaving a subset angry and disenchanted. This results in the Democrat (many a time incumbent) losing the GE.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
92. They all won in deep deep blue districts.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 06:14 PM
Nov 2020

In Kentucky, Amy McGrath was badly weakened by those tactics.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
93. That's right. Why did we have centrists in those districts to begin with?
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 06:44 PM
Nov 2020

McGrath lost by 20 points. Tough to blame that on the primary.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
94. Because the electorate in those district want mainstream competence
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 11:34 PM
Nov 2020

of long-term Democrats not new-to-the-party socialist twitterslingers with no experience. The electorate in those areas (and Democratic party as a whole) is more conservative than DU and they are not going to suddenly change.

This is why a vast majority of the candidates floated by Justice Democrats lost. The ones who won were in extremely progressive deep blue districts.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
96. Guess they changed their minds, huh?
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 05:16 PM
Nov 2020

Thanks to the help of Justice Democrats, the voters in those progressive districts now have representatives that reflect their views. That's a good thing.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
97. Yeah but thanks to Justice Democrats
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 06:10 PM
Nov 2020

we lost a whole bunch of seats in the house and Biden lost Florida.

The views espoused by Justice Democrats are not radically different from the mainstream and "polished" Democratic party.

Justice Democrats only make a lot of noise to please a small minority with views ranging from socialism to communism.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
98. It's a bit silly to blame the losses of centrist Dems on progressives, don't you think?
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 06:27 PM
Nov 2020

Centrist Dems have been losing races since long before JD even existed.

Progressives like AOC are the future of the party, and where the excitement is. Sure, I'm glad we've got Joe Manchin instead of a Republican in WV, but it's hard to argue that people like Manchin are the base of the party.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
99. JD brings out silly socialist slogans and taint all Democrats
Sat Nov 28, 2020, 06:56 PM
Nov 2020

Moderate Democrats are especially vulnerable.

The same thing happened to republicans. The tea party extremism wiped out pretty much all moderate republicans from the North East.

Besides, Cenk Uygur is a loud-mouthed idiot who was a republican and funded republican causes until he suddenly found a new gig.

I smell Russia.

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
8. It's so disappointing that some have not done due diligence when it comes to Justice Democrats.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:03 PM
Nov 2020

How entitled and privileged they must be to hold themselves above the rules they set for everyone else.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
19. I agree!
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:52 PM
Nov 2020
It's so disappointing that some have not done due diligence when it comes to Justice Democrats.


The OP, while well intentioned and absolutely not malicious, is a prime example of lack of due due diligence. We owe it to ourselves and our party not to fall into the low-information voter trap that has so pervasively facilitated the MAGA takeover of the GOP.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the progressive wing of the party advocating for progressive policies. Our big, beautiful party is under one enormous tent; it is counter-productive to try to force all factions under that tent to assimilate.

JDs went all in for Biden - that doesn't mean they ought to abandon their most progressive ideals now that he's won.

Sympthsical

(9,066 posts)
24. The oil tycoon bit is absolutely malicious
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:07 PM
Nov 2020

It's fully intended to toss in guilt by association, even though the people with access to that fortune are very liberal and supportive of the Democratic party.

The person writing the article knew exactly what they were doing. Smear a progressive group by suggesting it's a right-wing plot.

Another day at DU, I suppose.

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
31. Argumentum ad ignorantiam (especially as a failed attempt at invective)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:46 PM
Nov 2020

is desperate at best.

Folks might be better off trying "I know you are, but what am I" next time.


 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
37. LOL
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:16 PM
Nov 2020

I was quite amused at the recommendation to do due diligence from the person who had done zero due diligence.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
10. All 8 of them?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:10 PM
Nov 2020
There's gonna be a revolution! in D +25 districts , anyway which are the only places they've managed to win. I hate dark money. All candidate's money sources should be transparent.

Maru Kitteh

(28,333 posts)
12. "Justice Democrats" are telling us *Corporations are People* for their purposes?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:16 PM
Nov 2020

Or, for you know, anyones purposes?

Yeah. Fuck that noise.


OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
15. Is this the same Justice Democrats who someone here posted their attack on The Lincoln Project, when
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:27 PM
Nov 2020

TLP are supporting Biden ? I AM SO CONFUSED !

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
17. Justice Democrats go all-in on Biden
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:35 PM
Nov 2020
A new ad campaign reflects the all-hands-on-deck approach being taken by progressive activists.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/justice-democrats-go-all-in-on-biden-429600

A leading progressive group that attacked Joe Biden in the primary is launching a six-figure ad buy aimed at electing him this fall.

Justice Democrats, the organization that recruited Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) to run for Congress, is airing a new digital spot in the battleground states of Pennsylvania and Arizona as part of its effort to support Biden.

The ad buy marks the first time the group is spending money to back Biden, which it is doing through an independent expenditure.


The digital ad, reported first by POLITICO, features a fed-up mother who lost her job because of the coronavirus and is caring for her child at home, all while being frustrated by President Donald Trump’s management of the pandemic. Like other progressive campaigns supporting Biden, it doesn’t attempt to sugarcoat the fact that Biden is an unexciting candidate to many on the left — a candid approach that progressives say is needed to connect with infrequent voters and Bernie Sanders supporters.

snip

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
44. now that the election is over (other than the GA run-offs) both can go away for all I care
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 05:55 PM
Nov 2020

not a fan of either group

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
20. The Medium author you cite, Robbie Jaeger, is obsessed with George Soros, and a big Tulsi fan btw
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:53 PM
Nov 2020

He mentioned Soros in the article you posted, and also here (plus takes shots at Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton):











lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
33. Now there's a direct link to the FEC filings. The fact that JD accepted dark money stands,
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:02 PM
Nov 2020

as does the fact that they have a superpac.

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
39. an attempt(s) to give a fuller picture on the entire debate, plus correct mis-framings like the
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:20 PM
Nov 2020

oil tycoon false positing.

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
40. The facts are the facts. Justice Democrats accepts dark money, has a superpac, and is making demands
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:59 PM
Nov 2020

of President-elect Biden. Those demands are being promoted by David Sirota and The Intercept and publicized by right wing outlets to sow division within our party.

Celerity

(43,253 posts)
41. those issues are not what my replies dealt with, & you also used a disingenuous framing when you
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:23 PM
Nov 2020

posted (with no further explanation) that they spent money against Democrats' when it was simply a primary race where they supported another Democrat.

here

has been collecting dark money and spending it against Democrats.



Your issue

Justice Democrats accepts dark money, has a superpac, and is making demands of President-elect Biden.


is a valid concern, but you made multiple errors/mis-framings in trying to pursue it

I simply made attempts to correct the record.

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
54. The record stands exactly as stated: Justice Democrats has a superpac that accepts dark money.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:58 AM
Nov 2020

The Justice Democrats' superpac spent some of that money AGAINST Democrats. The Justice Democrats' superpac DID NOT SPEND A DIME AGAINST REPUBLICANS during this cycle.

The Justice Democrats superpac collects dark money and uses part of it against Democrats. They don't use any of it against Republicans.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
46. Off-topic question: what does the coffee & doughnut pic that you have at the end..
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:07 PM
Nov 2020

..of all your posts symbolize?

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
47. If you right click on the image in the DU smilie map
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:24 PM
Nov 2020

a little window opens up and tells you what the picture means.

For example, when you right click on this one, you'll discover that it means "hi".

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
52. Did you know that the Justice Democrats superpac did not spend a dime against Republicans this year?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:39 PM
Nov 2020


lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
89. I'm not the one defining "against". Open Secrets reports data based on FEC filings
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:45 PM
Nov 2020

made by the pac/superpac. Anyone who has an issue with terms based on FEC filings should forward their complaints to the appropriate group or agency.

Similarly, anyone who suspects that the FEC or Open Secrets is being disingenuous should, by all means, let them know.




https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C00630665&cycle=2020

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
56. I can't get into the minutia of the Bullshit.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 01:34 AM
Nov 2020

All I know is that super liberal democrat hogging the attention and trying to be the face of the Democratic Party kills us in Purple and red states.

What plays in Brooklyn is a non starter in Orlando.

I cool with them representing their areas. But when they become the face of the party they kill us in other parts of the country.

That’s my only beef. I think AOC cost us house seats. I actually think she represents her district well. But when democrats like her become so prominent they kill us in moderate areas.

The super PAC thing is just what happens. I’m concerned about the optics of the situation.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
83. Sometimes I wonder silently
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:14 PM
Nov 2020

if JD is a deep-cover republican and/or Russian operation.

The whole thing inures only to the benefit of republicans.

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