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Biden can anger the Trump voters by allowing the DOJ to go after Trump (Original Post) edhopper Nov 2020 OP
DOJ will be independent. The White House won't "allow" or "disallow" anything n/t servermsh Nov 2020 #1
This...thank you! KewlKat Nov 2020 #2
That decision is made in the initial pick... lame54 Nov 2020 #11
He can truly step out of it and if DOJ or others run across a crime, at least call it. But, I will LizBeth Nov 2020 #3
We have so many problems. I just can't care about this. Trump is going to face courts forever - Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #15
I couldn't disagree more. Allowed to get away with the last 4 years and more is so detrimental for LizBeth Nov 2020 #16
The deck is stacked against us...leave Trump to the AG and move on...losing the house in Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #19
"leave Trump to the AG and move on..." Why do I keep having the same conversation, and the same LizBeth Nov 2020 #29
But can't we at least save the fighting until Jan 21 when Joe has the authority? marble falls Nov 2020 #4
His pick for AG is crucial edhopper Nov 2020 #17
And Republicans have to agree to his pick. Think about that. I would bet they will try to Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #20
That pick is extremely crucial. But he/she will have no authority until Jan 21 earliest ... marble falls Nov 2020 #24
Ya, but Biden is making comments before and we are saying, we are listening. LizBeth Nov 2020 #31
He doesn't need to do anything. docgee Nov 2020 #5
Not if Congress wants to retain the House they won't and the Senate if we are lucky enough Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #14
No justice no peace no Democratic coalition in 2022 and Democracy dies Ponietz Nov 2020 #30
A LOT of the conversation I have with Democrats and especially the youth vote in University LizBeth Nov 2020 #32
It's the latest big money talking point Ponietz Nov 2020 #33
But if anyone was paying attention they were fine with it back before 2017 change. They were cool LizBeth Nov 2020 #34
Not gonna happen. PTWB Nov 2020 #6
The one event that brought the Germans to their senses randr Nov 2020 #7
You will never bring Trumpers to their senses...And there were plenty of Germans who never Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #10
Hang a few and see what happens randr Nov 2020 #12
That is not possible, and you know it. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #21
I think it was the destruction of Germany and the loss of hundreds of thousands of German civilians Kaleva Nov 2020 #22
I object to the way you framed this. Biden never said he would tell Justice what to do. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #8
I know it's not either or edhopper Nov 2020 #18
I have to tell you I expect Trump to be pardoned by himself or by Pence as an acting president. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #23
It is not Biden job to prosecute Trump. Justice will decided. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #27
Lock him up fearnobush Nov 2020 #9
repubs always complain dems are weak on crime. are they correct? nt msongs Nov 2020 #13
He'll pardon himself xmas74 Nov 2020 #25
I may be mistaken... stillcool Nov 2020 #26
Biden should do nothing handmade34 Nov 2020 #28

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
3. He can truly step out of it and if DOJ or others run across a crime, at least call it. But, I will
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:05 PM
Nov 2020

be listening to see if language is used to tell all to let it go, move on like in 2008. Cause that is not ok.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
15. We have so many problems. I just can't care about this. Trump is going to face courts forever -
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:22 PM
Nov 2020

state courts and no doubt he will violate other laws too...but right now we need to help thoses in need.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
16. I couldn't disagree more. Allowed to get away with the last 4 years and more is so detrimental for
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:30 PM
Nov 2020

both the people and the nation. I think it has got to be addressed or things just get worse. I could not disagree more but Dems... Respectfully. I do know we simply see this from two sides of the coin. I get there is so much for Biden to do. This is an incredibly tough time for Biden. And one of the reasons is Trump has run wild for four years. And I strongly believe this is as critical as al the rest of the stuff. He might as well do what he needs to do and allow those that are suppose to, address the criminality of the last four years while implementing what we can to shor3e things up so we are never here again.

Lots to do. Bummer. Our reality, I think.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
19. The deck is stacked against us...leave Trump to the AG and move on...losing the house in
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:40 PM
Nov 2020

2022 is a real possibility and ask yourself if you really think that the average voter at this moment gives two shits about whether Trump is punished. Millions are out of work, losing their homes during winter and there are few shelters too,going hungry, losing businesses. 26 million people will lose unemployment on December 26th. We could see the government shut down in December. Americans voted on economic issues and because of the pandemic. They want to turn the page. We are all in here and political junkies...what we think about Trump is not what many others do...they wanted him gone, he is gone and now Congress needs to be all in about sending help to Americans. I hope we get the two senate seats or we are truly screwed. What would have happened had Roosevelt gone all in on investigating the prior administration instead of formulating the New Deal. We also play into Trump's hands if we go after him in the house. He is spoiling for a fight.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
29. "leave Trump to the AG and move on..." Why do I keep having the same conversation, and the same
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:17 PM
Nov 2020

comment made. Let AG deal. I didn't say otherwise. What I said, was.... Let AG deal. That includes Biden not st4epping in and saying, meh.... lets move on. We have heard that language, and again, that is what I am saying no to.

Then you go on t tell me how the average voter does not care if Trump and republicans get away with AGAIN... not following rule, procedure or law, able to creathe chaos and calamity for all of us to live.

I am saying, .... No. We cannot allow that. And once again the conversation is going away from let AG and others deal with this.

I want to see NAACP throw out lawsuits. I want to see Trump being called for th4e rape trail. I want to see NYC continue. And all the r4est that becomes uncovered.

YES, I think it is important. Barr so abusing his position and DOJ and breaking laws. Cramming the SC. Yes, it at the very LEAST.... needs conversation.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
20. And Republicans have to agree to his pick. Think about that. I would bet they will try to
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:42 PM
Nov 2020

make any pick pledge he/she won't go after Trump.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
24. That pick is extremely crucial. But he/she will have no authority until Jan 21 earliest ...
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:46 PM
Nov 2020

... telegraphing our punches reads well to our base, but informs our foes. Keep them off balance and guessing. I think Joe Biden is doing very well.

docgee

(870 posts)
5. He doesn't need to do anything.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:10 PM
Nov 2020

Congress will investigate anything and everything, and send referrals to the DOJ. The DOJ can then prosecute at will. Input from Biden is not needed.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
14. Not if Congress wants to retain the House they won't and the Senate if we are lucky enough
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:20 PM
Nov 2020

to get it. We need to work on our now depression, pandemic, homelessness, fixing health care, shoring up social security which is running out of money etc. People voted for Biden to end division and get some stuff done. Almost 800,000 people lost their jobs this week. Trump is history. Let the states deal with him and Justice if he has not ended any shot with pardons.

Ponietz

(2,960 posts)
30. No justice no peace no Democratic coalition in 2022 and Democracy dies
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:18 PM
Nov 2020

We voted for the rule of law and it’s now or never. Things aren’t going back to what they were before. How did letting the states deal with PPE work out? Confrontation is inevitable and best ASAP.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
32. A LOT of the conversation I have with Democrats and especially the youth vote in University
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:22 PM
Nov 2020

Democrats. They are saying and have been saying just that.

I do not know why I am hearing all of a sudden that we need to bow our heads and quietly move forward, simply once again fixing Republican's messes and don't rock the boat. I am listening to young people scared to fuckin death for their future. They are not going to quietly go away, until 2022 simply to vote for m0ore of the same.

Ponietz

(2,960 posts)
33. It's the latest big money talking point
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:35 PM
Nov 2020

Wall Street and MSM, at least tacitly, thrust the festering pustule upon us thinking Hillary wouldn’t be as good for profits. Did you see, two days ago, how GM reversed its position and is now willing to work with California’s air pollution standards? SMDH

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
34. But if anyone was paying attention they were fine with it back before 2017 change. They were cool
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:43 PM
Nov 2020

working with Calif and other companies too. So when Trump made that move was like a wtf, they were fine doing what they were suppose to. I do not know how that aligns with what you are talking about. I do not listen to MSN so I do not now what is being said. I do know the last couple days there have been many threads saying move on. I know because every time I read it, I say no. Lol. My young adult sons haven't said anything to me yet, but we are all not gonna quietly move on. We have writting fuckin' family off for the criminal, racist, disgusting behavior and support.

It cannot be as if nothing happened.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
6. Not gonna happen.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:15 PM
Nov 2020

Trump will either pardon himself or resign and have Pence pardon him. There is 0 chance he leaves the Presidency without mitigating his Federal legal jeopardy.

Trump will say something like “I had to pardon myself and my entire administration to stop a Democrat [sic] witch hunt before it starts.” And none of his supporters will care. They’ll probably cheer him on.

It also lets Biden avoid any of the messiness that would come with his DOJ prosecuting his predecessor.

Trump’s legal problems will all be confined to the various states here he has committed crimes.

randr

(12,409 posts)
7. The one event that brought the Germans to their senses
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:15 PM
Nov 2020

following the nazi reign were the Nuremberg trials. The crimes must be exposed and punishment inflicted before any healing takes place

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
10. You will never bring Trumpers to their senses...And there were plenty of Germans who never
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:17 PM
Nov 2020

gave up their Nazi leanings.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
22. I think it was the destruction of Germany and the loss of hundreds of thousands of German civilians
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:43 PM
Nov 2020

Had the Allies did to Germany in WWI what they did in WWII, there may not have been a rise of Hitler and the Nazi Party.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
8. I object to the way you framed this. Biden never said he would tell Justice what to do.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:16 PM
Nov 2020

He said. He wanted an independent Justice , and the AG will decide.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
23. I have to tell you I expect Trump to be pardoned by himself or by Pence as an acting president.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:45 PM
Nov 2020

So I am thinking it will be up to the states. I am far more concerned about the Pandemic and the terrible economy. Trump is gone. Now our job is to prevent millions of Americans from starving and or dying needlessly of Covid...I am not being dramatic. This could happen.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
27. It is not Biden job to prosecute Trump. Justice will decided.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:54 PM
Nov 2020

And Congressional hearing should focus on the pandemic and the economy...millions of Americans vote for Biden who ran on a unity message...send help to the people. Now I guess that is all I can say. I respect your opinion and some others here but I vehemently disagree. Imagine in 2022 if we lose the House and have not regained the Senate.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
25. He'll pardon himself
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:47 PM
Nov 2020

Or resign and have Pence do it. The Biden Administration has enough to do. Let the states take on Trump where the only pardon comes from the governor-and Cuomo will never pardon him

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
26. I may be mistaken...
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:50 PM
Nov 2020

but when crimes are committed, investigations take place. If there is enough evidence charges are filed. End of story. Those people that we're supposed to be so afraid of angering can kiss it...or bring it. Whatever.

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