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babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:42 PM Nov 2020

Trump pushing through dozens of last minute policy changes - including use of firing squads



Trump pushing through dozens of last minute policy changes – including use of firing squads
Five more federal executions are scheduled in the weeks before Joe Biden enters the White House
Alex Woodward


Donald Trump has sought fast-track authorisation for several administration-wide policy changes before he leaves the White House in January, including the use of firing squads and electrocutions in federal executions, according to a report from ProPublica.

The Department of Justice entered a proposed rule change into the federal register in August. It cleared a White House review earlier this month, and the president could authorise the policy before he leaves office.

Federal executions are typically carried about by lethal injection, unless a judge orders a person to death by other means.

According to the proposed rule change, the administration claims that “death by firing squad and death by electrocution do not violate the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment”.

The proposal argues: “In recent US Supreme Court litigation involving Eighth Amendment challenges to execution by lethal injection, nitrogen hypoxia and firing squad have been identified as potential alternative methods of execution, including by prisoners themselves, that might – or even must– be used instead of lethal injection, in particular because those methods allegedly carry a lesser risk of pain."


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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-death-penalty-firing-squads-b1761933.html
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Trump pushing through dozens of last minute policy changes - including use of firing squads (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2020 OP
Trump is a sick and twisted bastard. procon Nov 2020 #1
I read this and my immediate thought was Stephen Miller is behind it. babylonsister Nov 2020 #6
Don't easily dismiss Trump's preoccupation with violence and gore. He has Maru Kitteh Nov 2020 #14
Are the lethal drugs too hard to find? moondust Nov 2020 #2
The federal government stopped executing people 17 years ago. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #11
States were still using drugs moondust Nov 2020 #18
I don't think this is about being unable to get drugs, though. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #20
I suppose he and the "pro-lifers" moondust Nov 2020 #21
Probably too simplistic but... dutch777 Nov 2020 #3
This will be remembered as his tantrum struggle4progress Nov 2020 #4
Moral monster...although the firing squad, for Trump, doesn't sound bad. Karadeniz Nov 2020 #5
He can do what he wants. Biden will erase Trump. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #7
Firing squads are what he released to make the headlines. What is the headline cover for? Squinch Nov 2020 #8
Firing squads, nothing pleases the gun lobby more! Fyrefox Nov 2020 #9
As long as he and ihis fellow seditionists are the first to go in front of one, GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #10
In Utah, the condemned individual has the choice of lethal injection or firing squad Klaralven Nov 2020 #12
I still think firing squad would be preferable to being put down like the family pet Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #13
Definitely quicker, but I doubt that firing squad is less painful than lethal injection Klaralven Nov 2020 #17
So it could be used on Stephen Miller any other corrupt official in Trump admin? LiberalFighter Nov 2020 #15
Are there really still electric chairs in our country? Haven't most Mike 03 Nov 2020 #16
In that case DFW Nov 2020 #19

procon

(15,805 posts)
1. Trump is a sick and twisted bastard.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:34 AM
Nov 2020

What sort of insane person thinks of different methods to kill someone?

babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
6. I read this and my immediate thought was Stephen Miller is behind it.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 08:08 AM
Nov 2020

I have no proof, but it sounds like it'd be in his wheelhouse.

Maru Kitteh

(28,333 posts)
14. Don't easily dismiss Trump's preoccupation with violence and gore. He has
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 09:45 AM
Nov 2020

been jealous to his core of dictators for many reasons, one of the foremost being their power to have humans jailed, tortured and killed in the depraved manner of their choosing.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
2. Are the lethal drugs too hard to find?
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:58 AM
Nov 2020

Is this so they won't have to rely on drug companies that may decide to stop providing their drugs for executions? I vaguely remember that being a problem for executioners in the past.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
11. The federal government stopped executing people 17 years ago.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 08:40 AM
Nov 2020

The only started again under this sadistic motherfucking waste of skin. He wants firing squads because they hurt more. It's so fucking sick.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
18. States were still using drugs
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:05 PM
Nov 2020

more recently. Seems like it was Oklahoma and maybe others having trouble getting drugs for executions.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
20. I don't think this is about being unable to get drugs, though.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:54 PM
Nov 2020

I think Trump just loves the idea of killing people with a firing squad.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
21. I suppose he and the "pro-lifers"
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 03:04 PM
Nov 2020

would much prefer to see a really big execution show! Maybe they want to film it and share it on Twitter, Newsmax, and at church services. Lethal injections are just so quiet and boring.

dutch777

(3,001 posts)
3. Probably too simplistic but...
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 01:04 AM
Nov 2020

...couldn't Biden just issue an Exec Order Day One that says anything done for policy change or Exec Order prior to this date back X years is hereby rescinded and defaults to prior rules/policy? i am pretty sure the professionals in most departments that weren't appointed by Trump are kind of anticipating/hoping for this.

Squinch

(50,935 posts)
8. Firing squads are what he released to make the headlines. What is the headline cover for?
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 08:18 AM
Nov 2020

I guarantee it's much worse.

Maybe it's the disgusting pardon of treasonous Mike Flynn. Maybe something else.

Fyrefox

(300 posts)
9. Firing squads, nothing pleases the gun lobby more!
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 08:23 AM
Nov 2020

They could probably execute people by making them listen to Trump's speeches or MAGA rallies, but that would be considered "cruel and unusual" punishment...

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
10. As long as he and ihis fellow seditionists are the first to go in front of one,
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 08:36 AM
Nov 2020

I'm good with it. We can end them after that.

I cannot wait until we are rid of that sadistic sack of shit.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
12. In Utah, the condemned individual has the choice of lethal injection or firing squad
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 08:48 AM
Nov 2020

The last person executed in Utah in 2010 chose firing squad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_in_Utah

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
13. I still think firing squad would be preferable to being put down like the family pet
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 09:25 AM
Nov 2020

Probably less painful and quicker.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
17. Definitely quicker, but I doubt that firing squad is less painful than lethal injection
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:50 AM
Nov 2020

The first step in lethal injection is a powerful anesthetic to render the condemned unconscious. After that come muscle relaxants and a drug to stop electrical conduction in the heart.

Having been "put under" by anesthesiologists a few times, I think there is no pain besides the usual needle stick to insert the IV line.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
16. Are there really still electric chairs in our country? Haven't most
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:48 AM
Nov 2020

Departments of Corrections gotten rid of those, as well as gas chambers, etc...?

DFW

(54,335 posts)
19. In that case
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 02:10 PM
Nov 2020

How soon will it be before some newspapers start to call Trump "Nikolai II" and Ivanka "Anastasia?"

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