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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThank you, Eugene Robinson, for talking about the other "real Americans"
Who are they and what drove them to vote in such huge numbers, even during a pandemic? What makes them tick? Is it culture? Tribalism? Race? How did they come to their worldview, and why do they cling to it so passionately? What do they mean for the future of American democracy?
Im talking about the opaque and inscrutable Joe Biden voter, of course.
After Donald Trump won in 2016, the media and academia embarked on a numbingly comprehensive sociological and anthropological examination of the Trump voter. Reporters and researchers swarmed what seemed like every bereft factory town in the industrial Midwest, every hill and hollow of Appalachia, every windswept farming community throughout the Great Plains. Im pretty sure television crews did, in fact, bring us reports from every single diner in the contiguous United States at least, those where at least one regular patron wears overalls.
Never mind that nearly 3 million more of us voted against Trump four years ago; no one seemed terribly interested in our inner lives, our hopes and dreams. This time, however, the gap is too big to ignore Biden, the president-elect, beat Trump by more than 6 million votes and counting. He won back the heartland of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. He won Georgia, for heavens sake.
Logically, then, we should put aside those dog-eared copies of J.D. Vances Hillbilly Elegy and subject the Biden voter to the same kind of microscopic scrutiny. Venture out of your bubble, Trump supporters, and try to understand how most of America thinks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/want-to-understand-biden-voters-heres-your-reading-list/2020/11/23/1b5f07a0-2dbe-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)Hugin
(33,059 posts)After a month of hand wringing puff-pieces about the losing losers.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)of puff pieces about the losers.
Or, to put it more simply, after 12 years of puff pieces about the same white voters, regardless whether their candidate won or lost.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)It's a crying shame this article is so novel.
Let's hear it for the not-so-invisible Democratic voters who have repeatedly stood up under frightful conditions to be counted! HOORAY!
theaocp
(4,233 posts)I'd extend it to longer than 12 years, tho.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)"They're just economically insecure" pieces.
MerryBlooms
(11,757 posts)In many editorial cartoons, those same white voters are depicted as bigger and taller than the other voters. When I noticed that depiction, it made me a little angry. Those representations should be reversed, imo.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I think it's for the same reason many of my white friends still try to explain it away to me - because many of their own family and friends have bought into it and they just can't/don't want to believe that people they know and love could be ignorant bigots, so they spend an inordinate amount of time and effort trying to justify and normalize their attitudes and behavior.
"My Aunt Lucy supports Trump, but other than that, she's the sweetest person on earth."
They can never face the fact that, if their Aunt Lucy supports a racist authoritarian, she probably isn't all that sweet, no matter how yummy her pound cake is.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And that makes her really not all that sweet.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Books like Hillbilly Elegy are best-sellers, made into movies.
It's as if the plight of poor rural whites is now seen as a metaphor for loss of power and prestige among wealthy white people, who are actually still very well off.
A lot of Trump's appeal is that he tapped into resentment among wealthy white people that they're losing their privileges. Movements like Me Too that make things a little less comfortable for sexual harassers, Black Lives Matter reminding "Christians" that maybe things aren't that rosy, etc.
You mentioned "circling the wagons" in another post and I think that's exactly what's going on.
paleotn
(17,884 posts)Our world is changing. They don't want it to change. They were happy just where it was.
bdamomma
(63,801 posts)it may explain a few things
https://democraticunderground.com/100214486134
paleotn
(17,884 posts)jaxexpat
(6,804 posts)They're the saps who took the fall for shrub's economic disaster. They never really recovered, you know. Compared to the 90's, wages are stagnant and the easy path to upward mobility is blocked. In their eyes, blocked by....you know...."them", the over-educated liberal elitists, POC, immigrants at the gates and on the dole and DC insiders, the perennial evil doers. What we have been taught to know as "the usual suspects".
When, in facts too hard for them to comprehend, the culprits are:
A. global overpopulation relative to developed resources
B. concentrated wealth and access
C. powerful criminal governments with powerful armed forces
D. endless war for profit
E. unregulated media/propaganda
F. vision-less leadership in all quarters
G. general inability for the well fed to find fulfillment in their lives except to consume more and more
And what is done about it? The "usual": disillusion the young and optimistic of all ages.
eppur_se_muova
(36,247 posts)it's camouflage.
Expressing sympathy for wealthy white people won't get you very far, so they pick a more sympathetic stand-in, and pretend they're one and the same.
LisaM
(27,794 posts)One of the families they profiled made $100k a year at one point.
I read that book and found it pointless. The guy had a great title and the book went nowhere and offered no solutions.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I was somewhat dismayed when I saw how well Trump did with White people 50 years old and under. He should have lost those people by at least 50% if his competence and job performance were the only factors, yet many people found a way to call his utter incompetence good job performance, or they downplayed what was clear incompetence. Those people see themselves having to compete with and sometimes loose out to people that their parents didnt have to compete with. They see a world that increasingly requires that a person is well trained and determined to have a comfortable place in society. They see themselves being downwardly mobile, some cant help their kids buy things like cars and homes like their parents did for them when they were starting out. So they look for scapegoats to blame for their own shortcomings, and Trump gave them that, BLM, non-White immigrants, independent women.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)and other RWers does great harm to many of her fellow Americans and to the world .
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)future that is ahead of us.
paleotn
(17,884 posts)For some writers there's this fascination with a group so far removed from what they consider the norm. It's almost like gawking at a massive car wreck. Is it economics, religion, or what that drives a group of white voters to seemingly sacrifice democracy and their own economic futures? But when you've grown up immersed in that far removed culture, know exactly what makes it tick and how evil and ugly it is, their writing is annoying at best, outrageously naive to the point of wanting to slap them at worst. Oh, you want to know what drives exburb, small town and rural white voters in the south and Midwest? Well, hold on to your knickers because you're about to lose your lunch.
Then there's those writers who are in tune with Republican politics for the last 50 years and know exactly what's going on. Their writing is many times apologetic towards that cabal of white voters. These are mostly long time wingers who are on board with deconstructing our liberal democracy. Others lament the monster they helped create and are trying desperately to stuff it back in the bottle before we lose the republic.
ProfessorGAC
(64,875 posts)Overdue, and I'm glad he did this.
I can't read the whole piece because of the paywall, but that's ok. Just glad someone wrote as he did.
Ohiogal
(31,924 posts)Eugene Robinson always speaks the truth. One of my favorite columnists.
XanaDUer2
(10,557 posts)I'm sick of hearing about Trump supporters. Time to understand me
XanaDUer2
(10,557 posts)nt
LittleGirl
(8,280 posts)I cant view it either.
Ligyron
(7,616 posts)Like around 3 same as NYT? Ive Been getting more from NYT lately for some reason.
XanaDUer2
(10,557 posts)Many newspapers give 5 free articles per month, etc. It always frustrates me to see ER on Morning Joe talking about his opinion piece and I can never read it.
Thank the OP for posting some of it
Hamlette
(15,408 posts)This is his reading and watching list.
The Warmth of Other Suns. Isabel Wilkersons magisterial opus charts the Great Migration
find one of the film adaptations of the seminal plays by August Wilson, who lived and wrote in Pittsburgh The Piano Lesson, say, or Fences. (The most recent Wilson production, Ma Raineys Black Bottom starring Viola Davis and the late Chadwick Boseman, wont be available for streaming for another few weeks.) Alternatively, you could just listen to the transcendental music of the incomparable saxophonist John Coltrane, who was born in North Carolina and moved to Philadelphia as a teenager.
you might dive into scholar Ibram X. Kendis How to Be an Antiracist,
Separated: Inside an American Tragedy by Jacob Soboroff,
Rage and Fear by my longtime Post colleague Bob Woodward. For a slightly different perspective, the psychological portrait by the presidents niece Mary L. Trump, Too Much and Never Enough, is incisive and harrowing.
rewatch pretty much any episode of Saturday Night Live from the Trump era. And if you want to know what peak anti-Trump outrage sounds and feels like, John Olivers HBO show Last Week Tonight takes you there and beyond.
XanaDUer2
(10,557 posts)XanaDUer2
(10,557 posts)Hekate
(90,564 posts)Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)In the search results, and choose "CACHED."
brer cat
(24,525 posts)madaboutharry
(40,190 posts)"And of course there is Democratic Underground, where the raw emotions of the past four years of Anti-Trumpism are seen in a minute by minute stream of outraged threads...."
Boomerproud
(7,943 posts)Trump voters won't read this but every "pundit" should. They won't either. The show must go on
niyad
(113,079 posts)BComplex
(8,019 posts)They put trump in there, and they're going to stay obsessed with him until he runs again. Then they're going to put us through the same hell all over again.
I always believed in the free press from what I was taught growing up. I always believed in free speech. I had no idea what would happen if the same people who own all the CAPITAL in this CAPITALIST country would, for the big part, own the entire media (and Facebook and Twitter), and broadcast this country toward fascism with pretty much one voice. (Thanks to the republican supreme court, passing Citizens United).
We need to fight now, harder than we ever have. We're fighting foreign infiltration of the message we get, and we're fighting the press here at home. We're getting hacked, and every google/facebook/twitter post hijacked and marketed at every turn. The liberal message of democracy is at war every day against these enemies, and our government is part clueless and part complicit that we're being overrun.
Evidently, the idea of democracy doesn't sit well with the powers that be, for the most part.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Oscarthegreat
(121 posts)How about obsessing for a change about the silent majority, not the racist angry minority?
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)Since so many Republicans doubt the value of reading at all.
But there are some great recommendations (which is what Robinson was actually doing with the piece) for progressives who want to enhance their bona fides regarding the nuts and bolts of What We Believe.
robbob
(3,522 posts)and also to point out the absurdity of the media bias, imagine if you will Fox News running these endless interviews with the Biden voters, while implicitly suggesting their viewers need to understand the needs, wants and desires of the left. Heads would explode all across America!
paleotn
(17,884 posts)Fux News watchers don't do that. Don't need to. They were raised with a world view that Fux News perpetuates. Thinking is not required and, in fact, discouraged. That would only swell the exodus to Newsmax.
lostnfound
(16,162 posts)And admonitions that it was our fault that they had voted for a Russia-loving reality TV / failed businessman guy.
dchill
(38,451 posts)llmart
(15,534 posts)I'm am sick to death of hearing about the poor, disenfranchised Trump voter and why they voted for him ad nauseum. It's about time they put out more articles and interviews with the Biden voters. You'd think people would be interested in knowing just why he won by a landslide.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)marmar
(77,056 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)This morning - RANT ON
I read a DISGUSTING "analysis" of the voting here in my area (SE PA) in the Philadelphia Inquirer.
Barely a day after the election, the "opinion pundits" proclaimed, in multiple articles, that Philadelphia (city) residents "didn't turn out for Biden" like past elections for Obama (2008, 2012) or Clinton (2016). This was when they were still counting votes and it wouldn't be until 2 weeks later when the final tally was "certified" by the city's Board of Commissioners.
And once those final votes were tallied, not only did the votes for Biden surpass that for Clinton (586K), but also surpassed that from both Obama elections (596K & 589K), the highest of which was exceeded by nearly 10,000 votes - in the middle of a pandemic, with a still-reduced number of polling locations, a new type of ballot - the "no-excuse absentee" ballot, with most locations around the state, including here deploying still-new voting machines and/or processes (that were brand new to the only-vote-every-four-years crowd), AND with USPS knee-capping the ballot deliveries (both to and from voters).
Yet today, rather than acknowledge that yeah, they missed the mark and "Good Job Philly!", the fucking assholes pivot to "well Trump raised his numbers in Philadelphia". And THEN they go on to pivot even further to note that (and I am sorry to say this although I have said it over and over and over and no offense to faithful DU voters) "the suburbs", where people continually SAT HOME FOR YEARS and didn't bother to vote, let alone register, and instead pointed to the city demanding that WE carry their fucking load, ALSO "raised their voter turnout" finally (which is GOOD!). But therefore, that meant that Philadelphia's "slice of the electorate" was "less" and thus a failure.
THAT is moving the fucking goal posts and is yellow journalism at its finest, and they took what was an extraordinary effort by a beleaguered city, specifically targeted by the maniac-in-chief in the WH, and summarily dismissed us just like that.
For years they ignored that the suburbanites were "sitting home not voting" and then as soon as they do, they embrace them and of course discard the n****r-filled gang city as they always do. Meanwhile, as noted in the OP article, the gushing over the increases in and praise for the "Trump voter", proliferates throughout the entirety of their lengthy and obtuse data narrative, which obfuscates the true complex dynamics of this election.
This is the same paper that was forced to have an editor "resign" for a headline that read "Buildings Matter, Too".
The staff of color had protested against the paper when that happened -
Link to tweet
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@brandontrevion
Today, Im joining my colleagues of color at the @PhillyInquirer and calling in sick and tired.
Things need to change. We call on The Inquirer to do better. To be better.
Here is the open letter we sent our newsroom leadership yesterday:
http://bit.ly/3eMUnjy
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8:37 AM · Jun 4, 2020
and included what is an excellent AND elegant summary of how many of us feel about "news" coverage in general -
These media outlets have been drenched in centuries' worth of tired, old stereotypes, that seep through the very fabric of their being, in every pore and fiber, so they feel they "already know" who these ("Biden" ) voters "are", and thus there is no need to go any further because their paternalism will save the day by merely reporting on "the stereotype" rather than "the reality".
RANT OFF -
Nimble_Idea
(1,803 posts)If I ever saw a rant worthy of it's own OP on DU, this is it, BRDS.
Golly.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)I am just sick of it. I don't know what it is about this city - the place where the founding documents of this nation were drafted - and why there is this overlay of abject hate and resentment about it. It permeates across the media and gets projected and magnified around the country, where we have basically been distilled down into a nonsensical handful of stereotypes about "cheese steaks", "throwing snowballs at Santa" and "Rocky", that get repeated over and over and over.
I'll never forget going to lunch near where I worked downtown (which was mere blocks from Independence Hall) and hearing one of the kids from some tourist family, asking his mom about where the Constitution was created and her response was "Boston".
Could be that the purveyors of propaganda don't like the intent of the documents produced here hundreds of years ago, so they are going to go about doing everything in their power to diminish this place in the eyes of the nation.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:16 AM - Edit history (1)
When I realized everything I had ever learned from grade school on about the first Thanksgiving was pure fiction and fantasy.
The story promulgated for hundreds of years is a confabulation of historical facts drawn from the Jamestown Colony, Mayflower, nonsense, mythology, fantasy, and wishful thinking.
Who did this? The blue-bloods of the DAR or Society of Mayflower Descendants?
I set about learning the real truth and other than the official story the real story is nowhere to be found. I had to piece it together myself. Much as you've done about about the real city of our nation's birth.
It's like the Liberty Bell and the events of Independence Hall have been chiseled from the consciousness of American history. Now, even Gettysburg is being distorted. I saw the same thing when I visited NASA some years ago. There was no context.
I don't know if it's deliberate or if it's a disregard of the teaching of history only to have it repeated.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)The whole teabagger movement, with Koch money and Newt Gingrich writing the playbook, kicked off the final phase of indoctrination that would reshape the political landscape and its discourse. The GOP in this state used to be what I called "the annoying Republicans". Now they decided to drink a whole pitcher of loon koolaid.
Gone were the days of the Baldwin - Buckley debates to be replaced by what is in essence "Celebrity Deathmatch", and this has been amplified by the media that is unfortunately doing it for "ratings", "eyeballs", and "page clicks". And trying to cut through that to get some factual info out there about what has gone on in this nation's past, which can help make this a better place in the future by encouraging and embracing all types of perspectives when it comes to innovation, instead becomes a perilous journey through a landmine of more falsehoods because opening up the viewpoints is being "politically correct" and "encourages identity politics".
Now it's my turn to
On my review of the post of mine above yours, I had "Liberty Hall" instead of "Independence Hall".
My only defense is I was entering fast using auto-complete.
Auto-complete is ruining our democracy!
Sorry.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)There have been various names for where they eventually located it. It is currently in the "Liberty Bell Center" that was built after they moved it from the plexiglass "Liberty Bell Pavilion", where it had been moved to at midnight New Years eve 1976 in the sleet, after which it cracked, requiring a $90,000 repair (which I remember well - Rizzo was mayor and they were able to get metal from the original British foundry to do the repair ).
It had been moved to that when it was taken out of Independence Hall because there was not enough room for tourists to get in there to see it, along with too much touching of it, so it would be easier to rope off in its own building.
Original (in Independence Hall) -
In the plexiglass thing (old Liberty Bell Pavilion) -
Now ("new" Liberty Bell Center opened in 2003) -
paleotn
(17,884 posts)Seems they like to kick around the idea of "Trump voters" without ever digging into exactly what a Trump voter is. What really drives them? Maybe they're afraid to open that box. Living on the coasts, educated, but white nonetheless may give them a hint of what's inside. I can't say I know PA Trump voters, but if they're anything like the one's I know too well, they may be afraid to open that box. Avoiding that depressed, sinking feeling that despite the seeming progress of the last 70 years, 47.1% of the country has advanced less than a millimeter on race since the 19th century. It's that bad. Trumpers breath a sigh of relief that they can finally be who they've always been, without societal norms pointing an accusing finger at them, making them feel less for what's been ingrained in their brains since childhood and perpetuated by 50 years of Republican politics and the right wing noise machine.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)(reminds me of Rmoney ) that means you have a number of people in the "53%" who DID finally wake up and come out, and that is actually what moved the needle.
And I will NOT say that nothing has changed - even in the past year. There is actually a whole tier of "changes" that were "dismissed" by some as being "meaningful" but that represented the very symbols of power, hate, and division - and that was all those damn Confederate statues and monuments dotted around the country, as well as the symbols (statues and monuments) of other oppressors outside of the south, that basically represented to a good-sized chunk of "Biden voters", the fact that "THEY" (the commemorated) were "still in charge and venerated", and would continue to be "calling the shots".
I think the big issue that I see you are actually highlighting, is what is considered "societal norms". We talk about "the bar being so low" and the types of behavior that had not only been considered "uncouth", but that was also detrimental to being able to even have an intelligent conversation, and that type of discourse has been "normalized" by the media.
It took them 3 years to start calling a "lie a lie" and even when they did, they scrambled around to find or manufacture some kind of "low bar" equivalence "by the other side" for "balance".
sandensea
(21,604 posts)And of every other color - unless you've got a billion+.
Retrograde
(10,130 posts)that's more than the total number of people who live in Wyoming. You'd think that would merit some comment from the media.
Joinfortmill
(14,397 posts)Nimble_Idea
(1,803 posts)for I was thirsty and you filleth my cup with salty maga tears.
-somewhere in Matthew 25:35-40 I think
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)Nimble_Idea
(1,803 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)The Warmth of Other Suns - Isabel Wilkerson
The Piano Lesson, - August Wilson
Fences" - August Wilson
How to Be an Antiracist - Ibram X. Kendi
Separated: Inside an American Tragedy - Jacob Soboroff
Rage - Bob Woodward
Fear - Bob Woodward
Too Much and Never Enough - Mary L. Trump,
I, too, am America - Langston Hughes.
soldierant
(6,799 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)that included some films, plays, & political television comedy shows.
But if you want to get real, he could have included Miles in there too.
pandr32
(11,562 posts)panfluteman
(2,062 posts)Biden voters love American democracy, and want to save it. That's the number one thing that brought Democrats, Republicans and Independents together to vote for Joe Biden.
The other thing is that Biden voters were sick and tired of all the lies, corruption and incompetence of the Trump administration, and all the normalization of the same by the media and the cultish followers of Trump. Heck! The emperor IS wearing no clothes, dammit!!!
The Trump voter, on the other hand, is much,much harder to understand. What on God's green earth brought almost ten million more people out to vote for Trump in this election, in spite of the fact that he let hundreds of thousands of people die through his negligence and incompetence in his handling of the COVID pandemic? There is a very strong cult phenomenon going on with Trump, which does merit further study and investigation.
But Eugene Robinson is right that Biden voters do deserve more of the media spotlight. After all, it does help to focus on the positive - on what's right with America for a change.
Bear Creek
(883 posts)The man who wrote it, is from Chillicothe. The BBC wrote about it saying it was a scene from Southern American. I had to comment. Ohio is south in one way. It's south of Canada. The media has Been a big contributor. The radio station in Portsmouth always says gateway to Southern hospitality. Only if they can pick it up and put it near KY TN border. They have been put in a bubble sounding board. Fed this at church also. The Biden voters are not under this brain washed existence and are tired of the garbage.
ancianita
(35,950 posts)the well-researched history of how whites have been conned to think they've been free from America's very founding. By exclusion. Whites' exclusion by the ruling classes of Europe, they by turn, their own conditioned exclusions creating further exclusions by religion, education, "race theory" and policies, and the divisive class/race politics that cloud and maintain perspectives that promote old European exclusions. When the British (more than other European colonizers) colonized, it wasn't just land, but mind.
Nancy Isenberg analyzes the formation of an intractable caste system that lingers below the national myths and stories of rugged individualism and cities on hills.
Ms. Isenberg contends that adults in America are spoon-fed their history as if they were toddlers -- of great religious values, colonies, universities founded on enlightenment "principles," yet practicing class exclusions on all people born poor white or non-white.
She demonstrates that most early settlers did not come to escape religious persecution. During the 1600s, she writes, far from being ranked as valued British subjects, the great majority of early colonists were classified as surplus population and expendable rubbish.
Part of her answer is the backlash that occurs when attempts are made to improve the conditions of the poor, from the New Deal through Obamacare. Government assistance is said to undermine the American dream, she writes, adding: Wait. Undermine whose American dream?
Class begins and ends with the corporate dream to control humans for its own ends, by force, legitimized force through policy, then myths that blame its human victims.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/books/review-white-trash-ruminates-on-an-american-underclass.html
Hugin
(33,059 posts)"... the great majority of early colonists were classified as surplus population and expendable rubbish. "
Early in the colonization process those sentenced to death (which could result from a crime as trivial as stealing food) were given the choice between hanging or transportation. (AKA being sent to the colonies) Most chose hanging leaving the colonies severely underpopulated. So, the choice was removed and hanging reserved for only certain egregious crimes such-as murdering someone above your class. The rest got transportation.
ancianita
(35,950 posts)invited to self deport, and British corporations who set up Jamestown and Plymouth were more than willing to help them work on their colonizing "projects."
No doubt the English courts gave the choice that is no choice. But early settlement shows that a majority of those who arrived were not criminals in the penalty choice sense that you describe, but in the "good riddance to bad rubbish" English oligarchy sense.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)As you say, the very earliest colonists were the third or fourth sons of the aristocracy having few prospects in the established Patriarchy who thought they were going to go over to the new world, fill their pockets with gold, and return home to fame and glory in the pattern of the Dutch East India Company. However, after two near complete failures, Lord De La Warr was sent to clean things up and also to get rid of yet another religious sect that was troubling the Crown. The Catholics.
As I mentioned in my post above, those who were not fortunate enough to be related to the aristocracy had to pay their fare to the new world. Which few could do. So, being sentenced to transportation was also being indentured (a polite way of saying made a slave) based on the cost of their involuntary transportation.
This led to a serious problem in the colonies which came to a head in Bacon's Rebellion.
"Bacon's Rebellion was an armed rebellion held by Virginia settlers that took place in 1676. It was led by Nathaniel Bacon against Colonial Governor William Berkeley. It was the first rebellion in the North American colonies in which discontented frontiersmen took part (a somewhat similar uprising in Maryland involving John Coode and Josias Fendall took place shortly afterward). The alliance between European indentured servants and Africans (a mix of indentured, enslaved, and free Blacks) disturbed the colonial upper class. They responded by hardening the racial caste of slavery in an attempt to divide the two races from subsequent united uprisings with the passage of the Virginia Slave Codes of 1705. While the farmers did not succeed in their initial goal of driving the Native Americans from Virginia, the rebellion resulted in Berkeley being recalled to England."
The Virginia Slave Codes of 1705 evolved into the institution of slavery as it was practiced in what was to become the United States until the Civil War and some will argue until this very day. Essentially, what was done was to make Indentured Servitude a career path which was regulated by contract and which was exclusive to the white race and lifetime slavery which was basically where those who were easily identifiable by their skin color were relegated.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon's_Rebellion
ancianita
(35,950 posts)It's never gotten its proper attention in American history, because historians have struggled about their priorities for centuries. A good book about that problem is Jill Lepore's This America: The Case for the Nation. I consider Lepore the nation's preeminent historian. She's offered to laypersons a really clear look at problems of perspective that historians have, and how America can now be an adult, complicated story of 'warts and all.'
The reality of corporate interests pandering to the basest of human goals is why so many people sell out American governance for profit, whether it was to become wealthy on the backs of enslaved humans or by staking claims to all mineral rights before any humans bought surveyed land.
One book I thought read like a page turner was The Island At The Center Of The World by Russell Shorto. I was fascinated to learn so much about how the people of that island -- the Dutch from Amsterdam -- were the first to bring great values from their previous city to become the heart of what this nation has been known for -- tolerance, and separation of church and state.
Thanks for your post.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)That would be a good title for an adult book on American history!
Or, possibly, "Mistakes were made". It's too bad Michener is no longer around to write it, but, maybe Jill Lepore can pick it up.
Yeah, recent history aside, the American experiment has had it's share of the ugly and beautiful. As long as we're all working toward the dream and we all realize it is a dream. progress is made. Right now is difficult because certain Americans have been conditioned to hate other Americans and potential Americans more than anyone else in the World. For the ideals set forth in the US Constitution to work, everyone needs a fair shake and sometimes a boost. It says so right there in the preamble.
eppur_se_muova
(36,247 posts)ancianita
(35,950 posts)McKim
(2,412 posts)This is one of the most important books I have ever read. It sheds light on what is going on in this country. It is a way to understand the Trump Voter for sure. There are millions of people in this country descended from immigrants from England who came here when they cleaned out the prisons and the street people and forced them to come to America.....a way of eliminating the "surplus population" as Mr. Scrooge would say. This is the result.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)But one that will meet with very limited acceptance, at best. The rabble have no interest at all in anything but "the party line."
Unbelievably, the updated version of a typical regressive is more radicalized than the typical tea bagger was in previous elections.
And, speaking of which, what the hell happened to them? I don't recall hearing even one mention of them throughout the shitsh*w the world was just dragged through.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,583 posts)LisaM
(27,794 posts)I've tried to articulate the same thing, but I'm no Eugene Robinson.
Politicalgolfer
(317 posts)Cha
(296,875 posts)80 Million Voters who Voted in Joe Biden & Kamala Harris!
TY & Eugene Robinson!
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)Blue Owl
(50,288 posts)BadgerMom
(2,770 posts)And this is so needed. The study of Trump voters has been ridiculous.
love_katz
(2,578 posts)And BRDS needs to take that rant to The Greatest page!
Hekate
(90,564 posts)...after we finally got rid of Dubya and Obama was elected: according to the media, no matter who is in office, the default political party is the GOP.
Thats who the media pundits want to talk about. They want to know each and every thing about those who vote Republican. When a Democratic president does something, anything, what they do is dissect in great detail what this means to the Republicans and the Republican voter.
I mean, what the hell?
LisaM
(27,794 posts)I always look forward to his commentary. He is also hilarious. Wry humor and a huge intellect, an unbeatable combo.
crickets
(25,952 posts)bdamomma
(63,801 posts)Mr Eugene Robinson.
betsuni
(25,380 posts)TigressDem
(5,125 posts)EVERYONE who is TIRED of LIES and incompetent muttering tweets coming out of the mouth of the pResident of the US?
Anyone who wants AN ADULT to take over the leadership of the country?
We had many great candidates.
Joe got picked in the primaries and he became the person who could defeat tRump because he is one of OURS as in an actual person willing to DO THE JOB HE WAS ELECTED TO DO instead of playing golf.
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Nimble_Idea
(1,803 posts)crickets
(25,952 posts)Every time I follow a link to it or click when I see it floating back up the list, I find something new and interesting in it. So - kicking it up one more time.