Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:06 AM Nov 2020

Although I can tell you what's wrong with Republicans with a high degree of certainty...

Last edited Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:41 AM - Edit history (1)

When I comes to criticizing Democrats, I have a lot of difficulty with it. It’s not because I agree with everything Democrats do, far from it. I’m way more of a far left wing type than the center left direction of the party. However, given what limited knowledge that I have of government function, in that I know just enough to know that I don’t know everything, as far as how Democrats perform whenever they’re in power, I do my best to accept their signature pragmatic approach.

As they say, you can’t always get what you want. But if you try some time, you just might find that you get what you need.

Now, suffice it to say, there’s an entire cottage industry of people who go out of their way to attack Democrats from the left. And given my own far left beliefs, I should be sympathetic to their concerns. However, I can’t do that. Mostly because these same people neglect to take into account the fact that Republican Party politics and policies are always relevant, even when they’re not in power.

We didn’t get into these pickles solely because of Democrats. We are where we are today as a response of how the Republicans got us here. And we can’t just reverse course and ratchet everything back to the left on a dime, as some of these far left types are wont to demand of Democrats. Only because, sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.

Which brings me to another point: I’m not sure that these same people who always make a point of criticizing Democrats really want better outcomes. Personally, I think that their holier-than-thou shtick is nothing more than self-promotion at the expense of Democrats doing whatever they can to keep the Republican damaged government from collapsing in on itself at any given time. It comes down to creating unnecessary conflict, completely ignoring context, disregarding the Republicans completely, and just going out of their way to be miserable pricks. Like this asshole right here:


.

These people are are not trying to be helpful to Democrats at all. They’re unrealistic people who have no idea of getting to far left government outcomes through Democratic Party governance. They’re not interested at all in that. All they want to do is whore for attention and throw eggs.

They make it hard to offer constructive criticism for Democrats, because the very last thing that these people are is constructive. They’re destructive instead.

Frankly, I’m sick of this BS every single time Democrats take power. You never see these same critics harassing Republicans whenever they’re running the country into the ground. But instead, whenever Democrats get back on top and are faced with a sincere desire to achieve basic goals, managing Republican created crises and accounting for a universally hostile and ungrateful electorate, they all have to deal with these useless, far left opportunists.

Me, I’ve never wanted to spend this time accounting for far left purists, all jockeying for the next great nonsensical rhetorical attack on Democrats, after dealing with the Radical RWNJs.

It’s too freaking tiresome.
14 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Although I can tell you what's wrong with Republicans with a high degree of certainty... (Original Post) MrScorpio Nov 2020 OP
The Walker Bragman types will continue to work themselves to a right wing dictator texasfiddler Nov 2020 #1
So true; so well-written; so necessary. Thanks. nt Atticus Nov 2020 #2
Well said. Thank you. abqtommy Nov 2020 #3
Oh? The Walker Bragman who wrote "A liberal case for Donald Trump" in 2016? struggle4progress Nov 2020 #4
Excellent post! Docreed2003 Nov 2020 #5
Well stated. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #6
I think Biden is willing to move left Bettie Nov 2020 #7
Someone needs to pull the party to the left.....don't they? Over the last 40 years we have walkingman Nov 2020 #8
+1000! nt JoeOtterbein Nov 2020 #9
+1 nt Gore1FL Nov 2020 #10
spot on yourmovemonkey Nov 2020 #11
Is it working? treestar Nov 2020 #14
I'm also of what currently passes for a far left persuasion. hay rick Nov 2020 #12
I agree treestar Nov 2020 #13

texasfiddler

(1,989 posts)
1. The Walker Bragman types will continue to work themselves to a right wing dictator
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:13 AM
Nov 2020

The "liberal case for a right wing dictator". That should be his next essay.

struggle4progress

(118,211 posts)
4. Oh? The Walker Bragman who wrote "A liberal case for Donald Trump" in 2016?
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:42 AM
Nov 2020

The Walker Bragman who wrote "The liberal case for either Bernie Sanders or electing a Republican president"?
The Walker Bragman who wrote "If the Russians are Really Meddling in Our Election via Wikileaks, Can They Please Keep It Up?"

Docreed2003

(16,846 posts)
5. Excellent post!
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:54 AM
Nov 2020

I find myself in a similar ideological standing. Thank you for putting this into words so well.

walkingman

(7,577 posts)
8. Someone needs to pull the party to the left.....don't they? Over the last 40 years we have
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:27 AM
Nov 2020

allowed those on the right to push our nation further to the right that they've been in 100 years. A lot of this is because of redistricting. In the South moderate Democrats have been replaced by Republicans and moderate Republicans have virtually disappeared. There is no question that the Republicans have moved further to the right than the Democrats have moved to the left.

So where do we find ourselves.....in a shitstorm of denial. Some like to say that things like marijuana legalization and gay marriage are signs of leftward movement but they pale when compared to issues like guns, anti-union, climate denial, deregulation, judicial appointments, endless wars, anti-choice, and inequality. The GOP no longer has a party platform that helps Americans they are simply a party of NO.

Bottom line - Democrats have won the popular vote in five of the six races since the "Great Imposter" (Reagan) and it is time to stop apologizing and push our nation away from this plague of ignorance.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. Is it working?
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:24 PM
Nov 2020

It criticizing the Democratic leadership for every compromise working to do that?

The only way to pull the party left is to pull the whole country left. That's the voters. You have 47% who are willing to have a fascist in the Presidency, so it's a long road ahead.

hay rick

(7,584 posts)
12. I'm also of what currently passes for a far left persuasion.
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:06 PM
Nov 2020

Unfortunately, we are currently engaged in a contest to see if America can continue to function as a democracy. The people who work to divide us during this fight are worse than useless.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. I agree
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:23 PM
Nov 2020

I grew up subjected to perfectionism, and so I hate seeing it anywhere. That's what it is. And politics does not lend itself to that. It has to involve others. It's harder than marriage, where two imperfect people have to compromise. You have to compromise a lot to keep the peace - that's how civilization works.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Although I can tell you w...