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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt will be interesting what the impact of Bernie Sander's endorsement of Jon Ossoff does
MSNBC was just discussing this, and I see where the Atlanta Journal Constitution is talking about it.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/ossoffs-embrace-of-bernie-sanders-highlights-shift-for-georgia-democrats/NCA2ITBYOZGLPJN5PD3XJUJBQA/?outputType=amp
If we win the Georgia runoffs, which we really need to, I think the case can be made that at the minimum the endorsement does not hurt us in the runoffs, and at the maximum, the endorsement helped us in the runoffs
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I know that many in our party don't get that, but it is true if you follow the way we lost House seats in the last election.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)1. Obviously not door-knocking this cycle was problematic, but our field problems especially with voters of color go way beyond that. Instead of full-time engagement on the ground, Democrats too often just show up weeks before the election to beg for votes. This does not work as well.
2. DCCC leader Cheri Bustos made the decision to blacklist competent vendors (polling, mail, television, etc.) who worked for those who worked for candidates who challenged incumbents in Democratic primaries. They basically forced candidates to use firms who do not have strong track-records the last few decades (2010, 2014, 2016 cycles in particular) or not receive funds. Giving campaigns the freedom to hire the people who know what's happening on the ground rather than top-down dictates is a critical change that must happen immediately for us to have any chance in 2022.
3. Our inability to respond to Republican framing on issue after issue. We constantly let them define the narrative instead of going on offense and doing it ourselves. That leaves us always 2 steps behind out-of-the-gate. This is not just a 2020 problem - this is a problem decades in the making. Some of this is on the candidates, but its also on their campaigns and the national and state parties to address. It also relies on fixing our digital problem, especially in Social Media. We know that Facebook memes and Whatsapp groups had viral content negative to our side in Latino and Asian communities, which were red-flags.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)said these problems are not 2020 problems, they go back decades. If we don't fix them now, then they will just find another cudgel to use against us next cycle.
Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)losses. Damn it ...shouldn't work but it does. I would add we were also blamed for a lack of a stimulus package...unfairly but there it is. Clyburn said this and he has years of election experience.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)explain our losses over the last several cycles, not just 2020. If we don't fix those, than they will just find another cudgel to use against in 2022 and 2024 and 2026.
Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)I fear that could hurt more than help in GA... They ran Ossoff is a socialist ads in Georgia using Sanders,Nancy and AOC during the election. We have to face reality. Our progressive message is not popular in more than a few states that we must win to hold majorities. We need to work on that...starting with local. In the meantime run a 50 state strategy to shore up elections in2022 and 2024...and lets be careful not to help the GOP by using the work 'socialism' or the phrase 'defund the police'. And if we can't get a stimulus, then beat the GOP over the head with it every day...American...held hostage stuff.
Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)was elected and this year...it's defund the police and socialism...why our side did not run on on the ACA is beyond me.
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)Didn't he notice that in GA they use him in ads against our side.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)are not an insignificant number of them in Georgia. So that could be a plus. I trust Mr. Ossoff's judgement on this per the article.
Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)who are now eligible to vote but weren't old enough in November, many of whom probably like Bernie and could be mobilized by his endorsement.
Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)more moderate...even the young ones in my experience...I lived there and my sis still does. She wasn't sure if it helped or not.
Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)The base shows up to vote every single election. Black women.
Me.
(35,454 posts)The socialist tag may now be attached to Ossoff.
lamp_shade
(14,813 posts)DURHAM D
(32,603 posts)Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)perhaps it would bring out enough to counterbalance the few who might be swayed. But too many are illiberal leftists or social-conservative populists who won't like Ossoff because he's a liberal Democrat, and of course, there are Sanders' own bane, all those who never get around to voting, or even registering.
Hope I'm wrong and it makes the right kind of difference.
Wondering Sanders is. He might believe he could be nominated as labor secretary if he could claim he swung the senate to the Democrats, or more realistically and usual, that the "injustice" if Biden refused to add an unqualified quarrelsome anti-Democrat to his team could be used anger his wandering followers. Populist SOP.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But, as you know, we also need those moderate Cons and the Republican propaganda machine has had a field day with socialism and defund the police. I haven't heard the word commie batted around so much for a long time.
As for BS as the labor secretary, I think that would lead to one fight after another if he could even get past the committee vote.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and if we don't he'll claim his followers came out but the Democrats blew it. Predictable as the rain that's already fallen all night.
He reportedly raised some money for Warnock, but he and others on the illiberal left have also been badmouthing Democrats six ways from Sunday back then and while these crucial battles continue...
I just saw that the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's headline describes "Ossoff's Embrace of Bernie Sanders," as he accepts the endorsement, so another for that portrayal of Ossoff embracing the "radical left." Ossoff (like Warnock) notably does not support Sanders' snake oil campaign issues -- MfA and GND.
But Sanders is endorsing, so there's nothing to lose in hoping it helps more than hurts.
"redictable as the rain"
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Moderate Republicans who might have been considering voting for Ossoff will not do so if he is tied to Bernie. Bernie, I have said this before, you need to just go back to the Senate, and be quiet for a while. If any of our candidates get saddled with the "socialist" label, they will LOSE! Yes, we all know that is nuts, but it is reality!!!!
MineralMan
(146,244 posts)Bernie's endorsement really doesn't mean a lot in Georgia, I suspect.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)If by "impact" you mean "positive impact" then I agree. But I do think it's possible (and quite likely) that there will be a negative impact in the way it could motivate Georgia voters who find New England-style politics (and socialism) to be something that they reject. Those who support Ossoff may not care one way or the other, but I fully expect that it will bring out the anti-socialism/anti-Bernie voters to "vote-against-Bernie" by proxy.
awesomerwb1
(4,264 posts)Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)DURHAM D
(32,603 posts)Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)still_one
(92,058 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,674 posts)For republicans in a runoff in Georgia. Sadly, Bernie endorsement will only drive their numbers up.
Demsrule86
(68,454 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and alienate voters who reject New England-style politics (and who reject socialism)? Will it motivate the Republicans to get out THEIR voters to vote against anyone who embraces socialist endorsements? I don't know the answer to those questions, but they're certainly valid questions to be asked.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Bernie as VP. Then better yet, to have Bernie as the Dem Presidential candidate.
Bernie in 2016 'barnstorming' red state [yes, that was a bernieq quote] to drum up support for Dems. :facepalm
Yes, it nice to know that Ossoff declares he and Bernie support 'healthcare as a human right'. However,
'Within minutes of his [Sanders] CNN appearance, Perdues campaign sent out a press release slamming him for casually praising radical socialists and their dangerous agendas in TV interviews.
Ossoff isnt hiding his radicalism, hes telling us who he really is, said Perdue spokesman John Burke. We should believe him.
And Savannah Viar of the Republican National Committee urged Ossoff to appear on more Sunday shows so you can tell Georgians even more about your shameless support for self-described socialists. . . .
Ossoff and Sanders differ on key policy debates notably, the Georgian opposes the Green New Deal climate change plan and the Medicare for All healthcare proposal that Sanders championed.- the Hill 12-1-2020
[Which is the messages that most Georgians will hear, be far?]
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....(some like to call them "coastal elites" American voters don't warm up to Northeast politics, New England in particular. We saw quite a bit of that in the 2018 and 2020 down ballot primaries.
doc03
(35,292 posts)that's all I have to say.
LuvLoogie
(6,905 posts)Democratic control of the Senate.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)The more people we turnout, the better our chances.
This race is not about ideology at all.
We must get our voters to vote
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I believe this was a mistake that will hurt us.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... was a bizarre claim.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Why didnt he endorse the other Democrat also, given that we need to win both seats?
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)He endorsed Warnock some time ago
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mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)Maybe all the Bernie naysayers here would rather that Bernie endorsed the Republican candidates instead? Good grief, it's an endorsement, not a marriage.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Georgia is not Vermont.
Gothmog
(144,870 posts)Cha
(296,726 posts)Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Couldnt just stay out of it.