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Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:31 AM Dec 2020

Should the DNC now hire Steve Schmidt?

Now that he’s a Democrat, can we use his help?
He’s smart and very well spoken.
Knows where GOP bodies are buried and how they think.
Maybe he could run focus groups and help with messaging.

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Should the DNC now hire Steve Schmidt? (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Dec 2020 OP
No Gore1FL Dec 2020 #1
Tulsi Gabbard was the one that moved things to the Right JI7 Dec 2020 #4
It's been moving right since 1984. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #5
Nope, the Democratic Party is more liberal now than it has ever been JI7 Dec 2020 #6
Sure. Whatever you say. nt Gore1FL Dec 2020 #9
Yes, It sure is . Now more women and minorities are gaining power . JI7 Dec 2020 #10
That's one measure. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #11
Women and minorities gaining power is the policy issue. JI7 Dec 2020 #12
not really. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #14
Civil Rights, Equal Rights, Fairness , are policy issues. JI7 Dec 2020 #15
So Sarah Palin is a good choice for office? Gore1FL Dec 2020 #17
HArris is one of the woman I'm talking about. Which Democratic Party women are like Sarah Palin ? JI7 Dec 2020 #20
That wasn't you argument. Goal post moves are not useful in debates. nt Gore1FL Dec 2020 #21
There is are no goal post moves. You just want to dismiss the issue of Civil Rights , Equality , etc JI7 Dec 2020 #24
I don't want Republicans running the Democratic party, actually. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #27
I don't either that's why we have to watch out for Obvious Right Wing Frauds like Tulsi Gabbard JI7 Dec 2020 #32
I like give 5 fucks abut Gabbard. I am not sure why you keep bringing her up. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #34
LOL , If you were truly concerned about the moving right, You would care about Tulsi Gabbard and JI7 Dec 2020 #37
Do you realize that Schmidt publicly regretted the Palin selection OnDoutside Dec 2020 #25
News Flash: Schmidt is a conservative Gore1FL Dec 2020 #28
News Flash Update : Schmidt is a conservative Democrat. OnDoutside Dec 2020 #66
If he is a Democrat that means we are moving to the right. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #76
It means he is moving to the left. betsuni Dec 2020 #77
No, he's moving to the left of center. OnDoutside Dec 2020 #78
I hope he brings the Democrats with him Gore1FL Dec 2020 #80
All is relative. OnDoutside Dec 2020 #82
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #63
yep and why we got our asses kicked at state and local elections as well as Senate and House races beachbumbob Dec 2020 #69
How in 2020 is the Democratic Party far right? betsuni Dec 2020 #16
Far right? No. 1970s GOP is what I compared it to. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #19
No it's not . The Republican Party in the 1970s embraced the Southern Strategy with Nixon JI7 Dec 2020 #22
And they were considering healthcare. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #30
Obama did the most in expanding health care for millions in Decades JI7 Dec 2020 #35
And that was awesome. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #38
People are fighting for it and none did more than Obama who is a Democrat . JI7 Dec 2020 #42
No dispute there. nt Gore1FL Dec 2020 #44
You said it has "moved so far to the right" and "It's been moving right since 1984" betsuni Dec 2020 #23
OK let's start with 1988 Gore1FL Dec 2020 #26
lol, those are about winning electoral votes . You didn't mention policy . Dukakis, Gore, Kerry , JI7 Dec 2020 #29
policy was boiled down to left vs right Gore1FL Dec 2020 #31
We lost because of massive numbers of white people in the country. Now with more minorites we are JI7 Dec 2020 #33
Maybe we lost because we quit standing for our values. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #36
no, white people vote republican because they are racist, not because they have values JI7 Dec 2020 #40
Do you have stats to back that up, or should I just believe you? Gore1FL Dec 2020 #41
Yes, White People have voted majority Republican in every election after Civil Rights was passed JI7 Dec 2020 #43
I was hoping for links rather than beliefs. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #45
There are many links, You can look it up. Do you really not know majority of white people JI7 Dec 2020 #47
I could look it up, I guess Gore1FL Dec 2020 #51
It's like asking me for a link to Joe Biden winning the election . Google Race, election (add year) JI7 Dec 2020 #54
You seriously don't think there aren't stats up the wazoo kcr Dec 2020 #81
It should be easy for the claimant to provide to back the assertion, then. nt Gore1FL Dec 2020 #89
The Democratic Patty has not moved to the right. betsuni Dec 2020 #39
The Democrats have supported Reaganomics since the 1984 election. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #46
Clinton and Obama raised taxes on the wealthy . JI7 Dec 2020 #48
to 70%? Gore1FL Dec 2020 #49
People don't want a 70 percent tax raise . That's why they voted for a Republican Congress . JI7 Dec 2020 #52
I do. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #53
Try to get it done state level first . JI7 Dec 2020 #55
States don't control federal taxation. nt Gore1FL Dec 2020 #56
There are state taxes . My point is that people don't support it of either party . JI7 Dec 2020 #58
That was my point too. Gore1FL Dec 2020 #60
That's not what Reaganomics is . Democrats still Raise Taxes on the wealthy . Just because it's not JI7 Dec 2020 #61
Trickle-down economics is a Republican policy. betsuni Dec 2020 #64
When, since Mondale, has a Democratic candidate run on restoring the top rate to pre-Reagan? Gore1FL Dec 2020 #88
No. We all get your point StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #83
Then I guess you don't get my point Gore1FL Dec 2020 #87
No they haven't. It's 2020. Trickle down economics is not a Democratic policy. betsuni Dec 2020 #50
when have the Democrats proposed raising the top tier to pre-Reagan levels? nt Gore1FL Dec 2020 #57
It's 2020. betsuni Dec 2020 #62
So we have to live under the false premises put forth by the GOP 40 years ago? Gore1FL Dec 2020 #90
I would! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2020 #2
If they don't they should shamelessly mimic him every time they talk about Republicans BeyondGeography Dec 2020 #3
He can provide strategy.... LeftInTX Dec 2020 #7
I think he should just continue what he is doing with the Lincoln Project JI7 Dec 2020 #8
As I said in OP, messaging, media creation and placement. Funtatlaguy Dec 2020 #13
He is also involved with the Battleground podcast with David Plouffe. OnDoutside Dec 2020 #18
Here is a novel idea quickesst Dec 2020 #59
Yes Hamlette Dec 2020 #65
No, never! Sewa Dec 2020 #67
Ideological Purity Roy Rolling Dec 2020 #68
I would have Schmidt lead the charge to convince more republicans to QUIT the GOP and beachbumbob Dec 2020 #70
For those thinking the DNC is a diabolical rigging neoliberal superpower, betsuni Dec 2020 #71
You might want to check out this Twitter thread by a new DNC member JHB Dec 2020 #72
The media will grab him. He is so good as a leftyladyfrommo Dec 2020 #73
No. CentralMass Dec 2020 #74
Absolutely! I think that's a great idea! NurseJackie Dec 2020 #75
I believe he would be a great addition to the Democratic Party. katmondoo Dec 2020 #79
No. We can listen to him but don't put him on our payroll. Hotler Dec 2020 #84
Steve could help the party Gothmog Dec 2020 #85
Hope Anna Navarro & Nicolle Wallace become Dems. Funtatlaguy Dec 2020 #86

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
1. No
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:36 AM
Dec 2020

We don't need the Democratic party to shift to the right.
Fuck Steve Schmidt. He thinks Bush and McCain are good ideas.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
5. It's been moving right since 1984.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:48 AM
Dec 2020

I was there.

The Democratic Party has moved so far to the right it looks like the 1970s GOP.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
11. That's one measure.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:55 AM
Dec 2020

I would measure it by it's policies however.

On the world stage the Democrats are Center right.

Let's invite former Republicans to run the show. That will make it even more left! Yeah, right.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
14. not really.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:58 AM
Dec 2020

Policy issues actually contain policy issues.

You are confusing execution with policy.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
17. So Sarah Palin is a good choice for office?
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:00 AM
Dec 2020

She is a woman.

Maybe we should support women like Kamala Harris instead? Do you not see the distinction?

JI7

(89,247 posts)
20. HArris is one of the woman I'm talking about. Which Democratic Party women are like Sarah Palin ?
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:04 AM
Dec 2020

There are none .

You are arguing what Right Wingers always do when we talk about equality they start saying how people need to be qualified as if we don't think qualifications matter.

Civil rights , equality etc is about people who ahve always been qualified but never had the opportunity being able to get those opportunities now .

JI7

(89,247 posts)
24. There is are no goal post moves. You just want to dismiss the issue of Civil Rights , Equality , etc
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:07 AM
Dec 2020

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
27. I don't want Republicans running the Democratic party, actually.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:12 AM
Dec 2020

But you put whatever spin you want on it if it makes you happy.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
32. I don't either that's why we have to watch out for Obvious Right Wing Frauds like Tulsi Gabbard
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:16 AM
Dec 2020

who pushed right wing conspiracy theories claiming the DNC Rigged shit against Sanders . We can't have people pushing Right Wing conspiracies like that.

Steve is open about where he was an where he is now. He isn't a fraud like Tulsi Gabbard. He actually supported Democrats instead of defending Republicans like Tuli Gabbard did with Trump.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
34. I like give 5 fucks abut Gabbard. I am not sure why you keep bringing her up.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:18 AM
Dec 2020

We don't need the likes of Steve Schmidt. There are credible liberals to take those positions. He doesn't deserve fanfare for being right a couple of times.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
37. LOL , If you were truly concerned about the moving right, You would care about Tulsi Gabbard and
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:20 AM
Dec 2020

and what she did in moving the country to the right with her bs .

OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
25. Do you realize that Schmidt publicly regretted the Palin selection
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:09 AM
Dec 2020

almost immediately, and there was even a movie about it ?

Aside from that, I've posted on another thread here in the last couple of weeks that many DUers don't realize that there's a shift going on in American politics, which the far left does see as a clear threat to their attempted takeover of the Democratic Party. There's a move back to the center, which is why they are so negative about moderate Republicans like Schmidt

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
28. News Flash: Schmidt is a conservative
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:13 AM
Dec 2020

i don't want them running the Democratic party unless there is a viable left alternative.

OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
66. News Flash Update : Schmidt is a conservative Democrat.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:02 AM
Dec 2020

When was there ever a viable left alternative in the United States ? Ideological Purity isn't an inclusive proposition, which is why the far left has never succeeded as a viable alternative, especially in a big tent Democratic Party.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
69. yep and why we got our asses kicked at state and local elections as well as Senate and House races
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:45 AM
Dec 2020

being more liberal doesn;t help anywhere except coastal areas

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
19. Far right? No. 1970s GOP is what I compared it to.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:02 AM
Dec 2020

It is center right on the world stage. Let's not move goal posts.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
22. No it's not . The Republican Party in the 1970s embraced the Southern Strategy with Nixon
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:05 AM
Dec 2020

and was all about promoting white men .

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
30. And they were considering healthcare.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:14 AM
Dec 2020

It's not just one issue.

In the 1970's the GOP weren't fascists.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
35. Obama did the most in expanding health care for millions in Decades
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:19 AM
Dec 2020

He didn't just talk. He actually got something done .

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
38. And that was awesome.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:21 AM
Dec 2020

It wasn't enough, but it was a big gain. We need to fight for much more than Nixon proposed in the 1970s.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
26. OK let's start with 1988
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:10 AM
Dec 2020

In 1988 we had to have Lloyd Bentsen as VP, because he was conservative and the only way to win was to go to the center.
In 1992 we had to have two southern Democrats because the only way to win was to go to the center.
In 2000 Gore picked Joe Lieberman as VP, because the only way to win was to go to the center.
In 2004 We Picked Kerry over Dean, because the only way to win was to go to the center.
In 2016 we picked hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine, because the only way to win was to go to the center.


In 2020 we cheer a person who worked for George W. Bush and John McCain because he is going to join us and move us to the right.

This is bullshit.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
29. lol, those are about winning electoral votes . You didn't mention policy . Dukakis, Gore, Kerry ,
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:13 AM
Dec 2020

Hillary are all liberals. Tim Kaine and Bill Clinton are also liberals.

Kerry was more liberal than Dean .

Gore picked lieberman because he criticized Clinton on the lewisnky crap and that was the issue in those days .

JI7

(89,247 posts)
33. We lost because of massive numbers of white people in the country. Now with more minorites we are
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:18 AM
Dec 2020

more liberal .

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
36. Maybe we lost because we quit standing for our values.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:19 AM
Dec 2020

Perhaps being center-right isn't all it is cracked up to be.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
40. no, white people vote republican because they are racist, not because they have values
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:22 AM
Dec 2020

well, i guess they would consider their racism to be a value .

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
41. Do you have stats to back that up, or should I just believe you?
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:22 AM
Dec 2020

If you have links, please provide them.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
43. Yes, White People have voted majority Republican in every election after Civil Rights was passed
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:26 AM
Dec 2020

I believe there were maybe 1-3 elections where white women voted democratic slightly more (i believe those are for Bill Clinton and Joe Biden) .

But White men have voted majority Republican.

This is well known . Google election year and poll and race.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
47. There are many links, You can look it up. Do you really not know majority of white people
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:35 AM
Dec 2020

have voted Republican in every election since Civil Rights Passed ?

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
51. I could look it up, I guess
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:39 AM
Dec 2020

But you are the one making the claim unsupported by statistical data. Looking it up should be your job.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
54. It's like asking me for a link to Joe Biden winning the election . Google Race, election (add year)
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:41 AM
Dec 2020

and poll .

kcr

(15,315 posts)
81. You seriously don't think there aren't stats up the wazoo
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 10:52 AM
Dec 2020

showing that Repubs vote the way they do because they're racist?

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
39. The Democratic Patty has not moved to the right.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:21 AM
Dec 2020

Otherwise, specific examples of policy would be given as examples, not vague insinuations about personalities, "centrists" and other countries.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
46. The Democrats have supported Reaganomics since the 1984 election.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:33 AM
Dec 2020

When has there been a proposed top tier tax rate proposed by the Democrats that reached pre-Reagan levels?

JI7

(89,247 posts)
52. People don't want a 70 percent tax raise . That's why they voted for a Republican Congress .
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:39 AM
Dec 2020

But Clinton and Obama still raised taxes on the wealthy .

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
53. I do.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:40 AM
Dec 2020

I think the top tier should be at least that. it was 90% under that socialist Eisenhower.

but thanks for proving my point that Democrats support Reaganomics.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
61. That's not what Reaganomics is . Democrats still Raise Taxes on the wealthy . Just because it's not
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:45 AM
Dec 2020

a specific percentage doesn't make it reaganomics.

Democrats support higher taxes on wealthy .

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
64. Trickle-down economics is a Republican policy.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:32 AM
Dec 2020

There were zero Democratic votes for the last Republican tax cuts for the 1% bill. So how have Democrats "bought into Reaganomics" and shifted to the right?

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
88. When, since Mondale, has a Democratic candidate run on restoring the top rate to pre-Reagan?
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:40 PM
Dec 2020

I'll wait.

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
50. No they haven't. It's 2020. Trickle down economics is not a Democratic policy.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:39 AM
Dec 2020

Democrats raise taxes on the 1% and regulate industry. Everybody knows.

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
62. It's 2020.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:55 AM
Dec 2020

People voted for Reagan because they wanted lower taxes. Republicans convinced them that Democrats raise their taxes to give free stuff to the lazy poor. Everybody knows this, it's very famous.

Gore1FL

(21,128 posts)
90. So we have to live under the false premises put forth by the GOP 40 years ago?
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:53 PM
Dec 2020

Why does the GOP get to decide what our values are? Why must we conform to their failed economics?

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
3. If they don't they should shamelessly mimic him every time they talk about Republicans
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:47 AM
Dec 2020

Because nobody does it better.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
8. I think he should just continue what he is doing with the Lincoln Project
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:52 AM
Dec 2020

What do you want DNC to hire him for ?

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
13. As I said in OP, messaging, media creation and placement.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:58 AM
Dec 2020

He knows things that might help us reach others like him that got embarrassed by Trump and those who kissed Trumps arse.

OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
18. He is also involved with the Battleground podcast with David Plouffe.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:00 AM
Dec 2020

I'd be fairly certain that Plouffe will be giving him advice. Let's give it time to see him settled in.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
59. Here is a novel idea
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:43 AM
Dec 2020

Why not let Steve Schmidt and the DNC find their own way to come together or not? Not that's my opinion counts for anyting, but I would welcome him into whatever role he chooses to take. He said it himself. There is only one legitimate party left in this country, and that is the Democratic Party.

Hamlette

(15,411 posts)
65. Yes
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:48 AM
Dec 2020

My dad was a Republican until Reagan who he hated. He became radically liberal after that. And yes, he knew where the bodies were buried.

Roy Rolling

(6,915 posts)
68. Ideological Purity
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:36 AM
Dec 2020

If the Democratic Party has an ideological purity test I’m out.

That’s what Schmidt and others are trying to run away from—rigid, ideological zealots in political parties. It is the opposite of freedom.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
70. I would have Schmidt lead the charge to convince more republicans to QUIT the GOP and
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:51 AM
Dec 2020

join the democrats. Its not enough to just quit but actually join and work with democrats. If "we" can snag 5-10% of the GOP base AND politicians, this will be a serious antidote for the 2022 and 2024 elections where MORE batshit crazies run AND a known charismatic presidential batshit candidate We have to dig into the GOP base.

Germans failed to act in 1930 which subsequently gave power to Hitler a couple years later

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
71. For those thinking the DNC is a diabolical rigging neoliberal superpower,
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:58 AM
Dec 2020

I'm sure there'll be conspiracy theories about Schmidt taking over the Democratic Party.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
72. You might want to check out this Twitter thread by a new DNC member
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 08:18 AM
Dec 2020

His observation of how things work and what the DNC can and can't do.

Unspooled for DU convenience

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1338951001726808064.html

David Atkins

So...as a newly elected DNC member, I'd like to provide some insight on "the DNC" to folks who like to complain about "the DNC" and such.

Because "the DNC" doesn't work how most folks who talk about it think it does. It's both better--and far worse--than you think.

First off, "the DNC" doesn't work like a major corporation or government apparatus. It doesn't have branches or committees or sprawling structures of employees who answer to higher-ups. It doesn't have a board of directors making decisions every month. None of that. /2

The Democratic Party is made up of thousands of loosely affiliated groups connected by charters. To simplify, it mostly works like this: local clubs > county committees > state parties > national orgs.

These are all legally separate entities with wildly separate cultures. /3

To add to that, there are multiple national orgs! The DNC is the *weakest* of those orgs. It pales in comparison to the much more powerful and influential DCCC (elects House members) and DSCC (elects Senators), plus the DGA (governors) and DLCC (legislatures.) /4

In reality, the DNC doesn't actually *do* much of anything in most non-presidential years! It meets once a year. It has some window dressing councils and caucuses. It passes a few resolutions.

And the elected membership has basically NO REAL ROLE OR DIRECT INPUT. /5
Elected DNC members don't even have each other's contact info! There are few mechanisms to even provide input or request changes. Everything is opaque. And even if you could, there's not much the DNC actually *does*. The biggest change would be making the DNC *do* things. /6

Far from being this super powerful organization controlling everything, the DNC actually does very little and controls nothing outside of presidential years, at which point it serves as a locus for consultants to direct state primary structures and help the nominee. /7

The *real* power in the Democratic Party lies in the DCCC and DSCC, which work w/ State Party chairs to help with congressional races.

Some states are more democratic & open than others (CA is pretty good!), but even in CA most actual power is wielded unitarily by the Chair. /8

The most truly small-D "democratic" work happens at the County Committee level, where club presidents and local elected committee members recruit, endorse and organize for local "non-partisan" races. Above that? It's almost *entirely* consultant driven in a tight circle. /9

The sad reality is that it would be *better* if the DNC actually ran like its critics think it did: a big mega-conglomerate machine. It's not.

It's actually a money firehose run by shoestring staff, run entirely a handful of consultants and appointed fundraising honchos. /10

Most "DNC members" have no capacity to organize either within the DNC, and have no serious directives. We are supposed to help raise money and amplify the messaging from on high--which, again, is directed by a tiny crew of unelected consultants and appointeds. /11

The DCCC and DSCC are even more inaccessible. The DNC at least has the window dressing of high-level activists. The DCCC and DSCC are directly run by the Congressional Members themselves. There is no pathway to involvement.

And they functionally dictate to state parties. /12

The problems with doing things this way are obvious:
1) self-dealing by consultants
2) unwillingness to change
3) lack of personnel capacity to change!
4) fear of losing a tightly held circle of power
5) groupthink and path dependency
6) inability to confront new ideas
/13

The biggest issue is that assumption that the best primary candidate is the one who can raise the most money. We know this isn't true! We outraise GOPs 3-1 but lose.

But it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks--especially when they're paid consultants who like the money! /14

There is no ability for activists closer to the ground to tell DCCC, DSCC or DNC when they're being tone-deaf to local concerns. No ability to influence decisions. And DCCC/DSCC/DNC continue to meddle in primaries.

In part because there's no organizational structure for it! /15

It would ironically be better if the Dem Party *did* run like a big corporation. Big corporations get input from local division leaders who report up the chain and influence decision-making! Successful local leaders get promoted!

No such organizational capacity exists. /16

So you get a bunch of extremely talented local activists who help win elections, promote progressive values, and get elected to positions that functionally serve as window dressing for the real power players--and get paid nothing!!

Those folks usually burn out. /17

Occasionally they get connected and get a plum gig, in exchange for playing the game and staying quiet. But then the only people who can make a living in the game are the careerists and brown-nosers.

Everyone else burns out or works doing what they can unpaid for decades./18

For instance, in California in the entire Dem Party structure the only people who get paid are the State Chair and staff. Plus consultants and whatever affiliate orgs do.

No one else makes a dime. Not the state Exec Board. Not the Regional Directors. Not the County Chairs. /19

So you have national orgs raking in literally billions of dollars, working with shoestring staff most of the time, ramping up armies of part-time and mostly volunteer workers in election season, directed by unelected consultants making big bank. That's it. /20

For everyone with a conspiracy theory about "the DNC" this or that, please note that these organizations can barely manage a meeting--if they keep a lid on all the members. They couldn't organize a conspiracy if their lives depended on it. /21

And there are legions of talented activists with nowhere to go and nothing to do but organize however they can in their free time, unpaid, usually at the local level.

If they want to work in politics they have to pay the toll. And usually OUTSIDE of the party apparatus! /22

In short, if you want this to improve, ironically the political parties need to actually be bigger, more consolidated, more powerful, have more permanent employees and be more directly accountable.

Right now it's the worst of both worlds: too much $, too little structure. /23

And that doesn't even get into culture. For instance, both Biden and Obama have brands that are broadly "anti-partisan." Work with anything, "one america" and such.

But they also appoint and control the DNC, an explicitly partisan organization! This leads to problems. /24

The DNC needs to be bigger, more powerful, more active year-round, and much more explicitly partisan and strategic. It needs to meddle less in primaries. And it needs to have much more opportunity for talented activists to help make decisions.

Same goes for DCCC/DSCC. /end

Oh...and I should mention: doing things this way incentivizes pure careerism, which in turn incentivizes gerontocracy.

It is not accident the average age of a dem party leader is over 70 years old--20 years older than for the GOP.

Even though we're the party favored by youth.



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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
74. No.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 09:07 AM
Dec 2020

He is the guy that thought that earning a buck pushing the likes of Sarah Palin and Dubya on us was ok.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Schmidt

"Schmidt joined the Bush administration as a Deputy Assistant to the President and Counselor to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 2004, he was a member of the senior strategic planning group, led by White House adviser Karl Rove, that ran President George W. Bush's re-election campaign; Schmidt oversaw the reelection "war room".[19] In 2005 and 2006, he was the White House strategist responsible for the U.S. Supreme Court nominations of Samuel Alito[25] and Chief Justice John Roberts.[19]"

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
75. Absolutely! I think that's a great idea!
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 09:16 AM
Dec 2020

At the very least, we should support and encourage him to continue his messaging with "The Lincoln Project" ... or perhaps a re-imagined TLP named in honor of any number Democratic patriots and respected Democratic heroes.

Hotler

(11,420 posts)
84. No. We can listen to him but don't put him on our payroll.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:32 AM
Dec 2020

I don't just any of the used to be repugs yet.

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