AOC on May 1st

[Dem4Life1102]

Link to tweet

[murielm99]

1. Biden said that in his speech this evening.

Biden. He said it. President Biden.

Let's be clear about who said this. Biden.

[TygrBright]

2. I think that's why AOC quoted Biden's tweet in her tweet. n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. Lol. Right?

[murielm99]

4. I was merely giving Biden the credit he is due.

I am sorry that you seem to have a problem with me reinforcing Biden's statement.

[Dem4Life1102]

5. AOC was reinforcing Biden's statement too

Which is why she was retweeting him.

[murielm99]

7. She didn't give Biden any credit.

SAY HIS NAME. President Biden.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

8. She retweeted him ... that's essentially saying his name (nt)

[Celerity]

9. +1

[Violet_Crumble]

10. You don't understand retweeting. I don't understand Bitcoin...

While there's lots of Twitter For Dummies stuff out there, there's nothing about Bitcoin, which is fine as I find I have no interest in learning about Bitcoin, and even less in popping up in threads where someone's bitcoined something and typing in all-caps about something that everyone, even the Bitcoiner is already aware of...

[murielm99]

11. Don't you dare tell me what I don't understand.

[Violet_Crumble]

12. Not getting retweeting isn't something to be ashamed of...

Because if you do understand how retweeting works, it's just plain bizarre that you claimed that AOC didn't give Joe Biden credit, when she'd clearly retweeted him. Also, you know other Democrats are allowed to repeat his great ideas and comments. He doesn't have some sort of copyright on them and I bet he'd be very happy that other Democrats are spreading the word...

[Voltaire2]

95. it took me years to understand twitter

and I'm still not good at it.

[Violet_Crumble]

130. Yeah same here...

I read more than I participate, and tend to avoid it entirely when I'm time poor because it'll suck hours and hours up before I realise it

[Celerity]

44. +10000, but actually......

[Violet_Crumble]

129. LOL n/t

[Dem4Life1102]

13. Yes she did

[Mariana]

70. His NAME is on the retweet, contained within her tweet.

This complaint is not only inaccurate, it's ridiculously petty.

[Voltaire2]

96. i'm pretty sure the entrenched position here is immune to actual facts.

[Mariana]

108. The entrenched position:

[Celerity]

154. Indeed.

[Autumn]

134. The OP has a blue link. Click on the blue link. That will take you to a tweet. The name of the

person that AOC retweeted is in her tweet. On Twitter when a person retweets what another person has tweeted one does not have to announce "I am retweeting a tweet by so and so" The name is already in the tweet.

[Celerity]

161. here is a snapshot that you can share with people who cannot see the tweet

just right-click on the image, chose copy image address, then cut and paste that resultant link into a reply (the body, not the subject line)

[Autumn]

165. I'm not sure that Twitter should be shared with people who are paranoid.

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They might see things that feed that paranoia.

[Celerity]

166. I did not see what that other poster said to you, they deleted all their replies.

This entire thread is so disappointing on balance when measure in toto. Not at all unexpected, but disappointing nonetheless.

[Dorian Gray]

159. She retweeted HIS tweet about it

I think that's sharing the information that he's making possible. (Thus giving credit.)

[Voltaire2]

75. Bingo!

I had first reply in my bingo card. I win the internets!

[betsuni]

14. AOC: "Oh God, in another country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America

we are. ... There's usually kind of a neoliberal party, usually there's a party that's kind of corporate consensus but not socially regressive."

These quote things, " " mean these are AOC's words.

[Dem4Life1102]

16. And what does that have to do with her tweet?

[betsuni]

17. What's the key word?

[Dem4Life1102]

18. You tell me?

[betsuni]

19. Neoliberal.

Duh. What does it mean and what does it have to do with Democrats?

[Dem4Life1102]

20. But what does it have to do with the tweet?

[betsuni]

21. Biden.

[Dem4Life1102]

22. The guy she voted for

‘I’m going to be voting for Joe Biden — that’s what I’m going to be doing,’ says Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/aoc-states-declaratively-that-she-supports-joe-biden-over-donald-trump-in-november-2020-04-23

[betsuni]

23. Wow! That's amazing!

Neoliberal!

[Dem4Life1102]

25. Not as amazing as

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15218442

[betsuni]

27. Neoliberal.

What's that all about? Why is Joe Biden neoliberal?

[Dem4Life1102]

28. LULZ

[betsuni]

29. What does neoliberal mean? Why the "corporate Democrats" thing?

What's the proof of that?

[Dem4Life1102]

30. Non sequitur

that has nothing to do with the tweet in the op.

[betsuni]

31. Quotes are quotes, a person's words and thoughts.

Neoliberal, corporate Democrats. What does that mean?

[Dem4Life1102]

35. And what does it have to do

with the tweet in the op? Do you bring up Harris’ attack on Biden during the debates anytime she is mentioned? Or Biden’s comments on Obama during the 08 primaries? Time to move on.

[betsuni]

37. Oh, now history is important.

LULZ.

[Dem4Life1102]

38. No it's not

Which is why an old quote is irrelevant to the tweet in the op.

[betsuni]

41. Last year isn't old.

[Dem4Life1102]

42. In politics it is

And it still has nothing to do with the tweet in the op.

[betsuni]

43. Does "Goldwater Girl" ring a bell?

[Dem4Life1102]

47. So?

Ancient history. It’s not where you start but where you finish.

[mcar]

63. ...

[LanternWaste]

124. Yeah... best thing to do is pretend it was never said.

And if that fails, further pretend it's irrelevant.

Which is why I find most ironic you've charged others of playing "some silly gotcha games" when accurately reporting quotes. I s'pose the past is yet prologue.

Goodness gracious.

[Dem4Life1102]

127. Lulz

[Cuthbert Allgood]

65. You clearly don't understand what neoliberal means in economics.

Spoilers: it doesn't mean what you think it means.

But you keep on with your bad self and think you are slamming AOC here.

[betsuni]

98. Why don't you explain to me how the Democratic Party is "neoliberal"?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

99. Is there an argument that the Clinton presidency was economically neoliberal?

I think Biden wants to make some moves away from that, but a lot of the Dem economic policies are neoliberal. I don't know how that is shocking to you unless you still don't know what neoliberal economics is.

[betsuni]

100. It's 2021. How is the Democratic Party "neoliberal"?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

102. So what is being done to control the markets and big corporations?

[betsuni]

104. Oh, so the meaning of "neoliberal" is "capitalist."

Democrats want regulated capitalism, Republicans don't. Everybody knows this.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

105. So, OK, you don't know what neoliberal economics is and you don't care to find out.

When you do, get back to me.

[betsuni]

106. Neoliberalism, "an attempt to win an argument with an epithet."

"Its basic claim is that, from the New Deal through the Great Society, the Democratic Party espoused a set of values defined by, or at the very least consistent with, social democracy or socialism. Then, starting in the 1970's, a coterie of neoliberal elites hijacked the party and redirected its course toward a brand of social liberalism targeted to elites and hostile to the interests of the poor and working class. The first and most obvious problem with this version of history is there is little reason to believe the Democratic Party has actually moved right on economic issues."

New York magazine, "How 'Neoliberalism' Became the Left's Favorite Insult of Liberals"

FDR and LBJ were not socialists. The Democratic Party has not moved right on economic issues. "Neoliberal" is a meaningless insult for Democrats. The end.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

112. Well that completely ignores the economic polices of the Clinton administration

which were not overturned by the Obama administration. We'll see if Biden actually follows through on what it looks like he might do to turn away from neoliberalism.

But, if you really don't think that Clinton (you remember "It's the economy, stupid," right?) built on the economic policies of Reagan instead of turning away from them, you are engaging in some revisionist history yourself.

Also, that's the best you could get from Google in all this time?

[betsuni]

113. Republicans controlled the House.

"In the end, as their representatives in Washington should have known all along, even those voters who revered Ronald Reagan, and cheered on the contract-signing candidates in principle, were not ready, when they learned their freed markets would leave them with sole responsibility for their own fates, to give up their Social Security and Medicare, their public schools, and their government-backed air, water, and earth protections. As important, Bill Clinton's legendary ability to 'triangulate' -- taking on as his own some of the goals they proposed while drawing the line against such extreme measures as a balanced budget amendment -- took the steam out of the House GOP's sails. To be repeatedly outwitted by Clinton, a president the radical right had spent much effort and untold treasure trying to undermine, made the sting of defeat all the more sharp."

Nancy MacLean, "Democracy in Chains"

[ahoysrcsm]

116. ne·o·lib·er·al

ne·o·lib·er·al
/ˌnēōˈlibərəl/
adjective
adjective: neo-liberal; adjective: neoliberal

favoring policies that promote free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.

noun
noun: neo-liberal; plural noun: neo-liberals; noun: neoliberal; plural noun: neoliberals

an advocate or supporter of free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending.

Translate neoliberal to
Use over time for: neoliberal
Definitions from Oxford Languages

[betsuni]

117. Democrats aren't neoliberals.

Republicans are. People should really stop the "both sides" nonsense.

[ahoysrcsm]

121. Exactly, I am so tired of being labled a neo-liberal.

[George II]

32. Maybe this guy can tell you?

[betsuni]

33. I think so!

[George II]

74. I remember that. It was right around the time she said the Democratic Party has TOO big a tent.

[Mariana]

109. But they aren't in another country.

So, they're in the same party, and AOC supports President Biden.

[demmiblue]

110. Lol... you mad!

Yes, I am laughing at you.

[KG]

15. oh. the butt-hurt.

[panader0]

24. A lot of irrational hatred of AOC on this thread. WTF?

[RandiFan1290]

26. It's a form of trolling meant to divide us. nt

[Dem4Life1102]

45. Not trolling

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Some republicans are just very threatened by and jealous of an intelligent woman of color.

[RandiFan1290]

46. DU skews much older and is not very familiar with various forms of internet trolling. nt

[Rohihi]

49. Some of them seem to think we're still fighting the reds

[Cirque du So-What]

133. Who is 'them?'

Welcome to DU?

[Autumn]

164. It's them socialists ya know.

Welcome to DU.

[marble falls]

54. And how brains will explode when the best candidate in the next election is a black woman.

[treestar]

56. That's not true. You've moved into

insulting other DUers, which is divisive.

[Celerity]

48. +10000000000000000

[treestar]

58. But when AOC says something divisive?

That's OK right?

[Voltaire2]

76. but she didn't. This tweet celebrated Biden's announcement of the May 1 goal.

[treestar]

84. Yes, but other comments, like

the one about not being in the same party in another place.

[Voltaire2]

91. OIC. Lulzd.

[tonedevil]

101. It is a true statement...

In other systems there are more than two viable parties. With that type of system they might be part of a coalition, but not belong to the same party. I'm surprised you don't understand that.

[Mariana]

107. I'm pretty sure the poster does understand that.

There's a lot of dishonesty going on in this thread.

[treestar]

167. What was the point of saying it

when it is not that way in the US

[tonedevil]

169. What is the point of saying anything?

Just because the US has foolishly fallen into the habit of binary political thinking doesn't mean we can't imagine and even try to create a different hopefully better system. Sorry, not sorry if that upsets you.

[treestar]

174. The US isn't the only place

And having a lot of parties does not change the range of views and makes it harder to work together. It seems to be human nature. I don't know why there are people that think 4 or 6 parties would be better.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

103. Which party would they both belong to in England?

Spain? Germany? You pick one--a country with a strong multi-party system (so parliamentary) and let me know which party they would both belong to.

She wasn't saying that they aren't both Democrats, but that the Democratic party is big because we only have a two-party system in the US.

[treestar]

168. Both Labour I would think

So she'll have to come up with another country - which is not this country, which is where they both are. Nobody's perfect. She said that and it was divisive. Not being able to admit her faults is the same as not being able to admit anyone else's.

[tonedevil]

170. Representative Ocasio-Cortez...

is divisive in the same way President Obama was. It is upsetting to people who don't think they don't have a right to be elected to the office they were elected to.

[treestar]

172. Missing the point

Obama never said any such thing.

It's what she said, not who she is or her ethnic group and you're just trying to make it so to hide behind that rather than admit she said a divisive thing.

[tonedevil]

175. How is division caused...

by observing that other systems exist where the parties are more narrowly defined and in that system Ocasio-Cortez and Biden would be in different parties. There is nothing in law that creates the defacto two party system we live under. George Washington warned against it as he was leaving office. As it sits there is a significant portion of the country that doesn't feel represented by either party, but must make a choice from the two offerings regardless.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

171. Labour? Please.

I saw way more than enough comments that Democratic Socialism would never make it in the US and that Biden wasn't that to think he'd be in Labour.

[treestar]

173. I don't really follow

would Biden be a Tory? I doubt that. Labour and Tory seem to be their major parties.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

176. Labour is the party of Democratic Socialism

Biden made it clear he wasn't one of those socialists. Why would he be Labour then? Frankly Labour is a little too center for AOC. Why would they have to be in a major party? They point is that in a multi party country AOC and Biden wouldn't be in the same party. You have given nothing to show that they would be in England.

[George II]

36. ....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215218118#post28

[JonAndKatePlusABird]

50. She has quite the "fan" club around here

There’s a crew that shows up in every AOC thread to find fault with her and helpfully explain to the rest of us why she was wrong about whatever she did.

I find it hilarious that said crew doesn’t seem to understand retweets because if anyone needs Twitter explained to them, it’s AOC

[Mariana]

73. I think they're still salty that she won re-election

after all their "warnings" that she's so unpopular in her district, their enthusiastic promotion of her opponents, and their gleeful predictions that she would go down in flames.

[Nixie]

137. The juxtapositions are always so ironic, considering it's

more about Bernie losing twice and all the “saltiness” about his losses.

Biden thumped him, so his whole avenue of “brand building” is closed off except for her through her small district and a handful of other smaller areas. Biden got over 80,000,000 (80 MILLION) votes; AOC gets around 100,000 in her district. It’s obvious why and who is really “salty” about losses.

[Mariana]

144. This thread isn't about Bernie Sanders or his losses.

Biden got over 80,000,000 (80 MILLION) votes.

Yes, he did. AOC's vote was one of them.

[Nixie]

148. Neither is this thread about the election you mentioned,

but you mentioned it anyway with your theory about “saltiness” and election losses.

[Lordquinton]

152. Bernie's vote was one of them too

Sanders and AOC are both very committed to the Dem party, even when people attack then, they still fight. I've always wondered why AOC gets all this hate, and someone like Manchin not only doesn't get that level, but gets defended.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

178. I have some guesses.

[ahoysrcsm]

120. Who?

[demmiblue]

60. It is bizarre.

[Autumn]

71. The answer to the W T F lies in three letters. A O C.

In every and any thread that is about her the results are always the same.

[Dagstead Bumwood]

118. Yep, I can always find

a few good candidates for blocking in the AOC threads. This thread did not disappoint.

[Tommymac]

135. Yup. From 132 replies to just over 50 or so.

I love to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Otherwise the facts tend to get lost in the hyperbole.

[KG]

78. for a few, it seems she's not the 'right kind' of democrat.

[Fix The Stupid]

97. Always the same people...ALWAYS...so transparent. n/t

[NurseJackie]

114. Ridiculous. No there's not.

[Voltaire2]

119. You're right it's not a lot.

It’s a few.

[NurseJackie]

155. LOL! There's NO irrational hatred of anyone.

It’s a few.

[betsuni]

156. As if quoting someone is irrational hatred! I'm so sure.

[progressoid]

153. +1

[George II]

34. More like PRESIDENT Joe Biden on May 1st:

Link to tweet

I wonder why that wasn't the leading tweet?

[Dem4Life1102]

39. Maybe because that's not how Twitter works.

[George II]

52. This works fine for me. Which version of Twitter are you using?

Link to tweet

[Dem4Life1102]

53. Then why don't you know how

retweeting with comment works?

[George II]

55. Why get second hand information when the original information (see below) is readily available?

Link to tweet

[Dem4Life1102]

57. Maybe to help spread the word to more people

and show her endorsement.

[George II]

61. On DU?

[Dem4Life1102]

62. On her Twitter feed

She does have over 12Million followers.

[George II]

64. We're talking about the OP and Biden's original tweet.

[Dem4Life1102]

66. And the OP

is AOC endorsing Biden. What's wrong with that?

[Autumn]

72. I find everything she tweets to be news worthy and important.

And she just brings everything out and brings it home.

[Autumn]

136. Oh no! My Twitter is the old one! I just retweeted the tweet of Biden's and my name and what I had

said that I was looking forward to was first!!!! Just like AOC's tweet.

[panader0]

40. Re-read post #26.

[George II]

51. Re-read post #36.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

67. She included his tweet.

Your anger at something she actually did isn't surprising.

[George II]

68. That wasn't the point and there's no anger at something SHE actually did. But thanks for the comment

[Voltaire2]

77. so what was the point of this:

More like PRESIDENT Joe Biden on May 1st:
I wonder why that wasn't the leading tweet?

[George II]

86. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

[Voltaire2]

94. luzd

also: bingo!

[Autumn]

69. She fleshed out a lot of reasons for the Prez as to the benefits of all American adults to get

vaccinated.

[Sympthsical]

79. I think I have a bingo

*checks Hate AOC For No Reason and Troll Every Thread About Her Bingo Card*

No, no I do have a bingo.

Several, in fact.

I do find it strange this woman of color continually draws this nonstop ire and negativity from some quarters.

Wait, no. I don't find it strange at all.

[Celerity]

80. +1

[Sympthsical]

82. Ha! n/t

[Nixie]

81. I have a bingo, too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussing other DUers seems to be the true focus.

[Sympthsical]

87. Commenting on commenting on comments

That's like, triple bingo for sure.

Sorry, troll Democrats, get called out. How it should work.

Good Democrat quotes Awesome Democratic President. Gets railed for it. Yeah, that probably merits a note or two.

I also may be bored while eating oatmeal.

[Nixie]

88. Oh!!! Good call on the obtuseness.

Right on track here.

“Troll Democrats” get called out. Oh yeah, you seem to understand why people don’t like our party being trolled.

[Sympthsical]

89. I see what you did there

*gingerly places thread train back on its track*

Almost got me! Agatha sneaky.

[Nixie]

90. Well, Biden won the election, so trolling him seems

to be counterproductive and more like brand building. Time to support Democrats.

But agreed about this thread. Time to go do something productive today.

[demmiblue]

83. I can't see all the responses, but the ones I can see are desperate. Kind of like this:

[Nixie]

85. More bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now we’re on to the Ignore list comments!!!! It’s very formulaic.

[Voltaire2]

92. !

[Violet_Crumble]

131. Nearly accurate, but not quite there...

1. Doggo is cute
2. Doggo isn't frothing at the mouth

[demmiblue]

163. Good point. n/t

[Voltaire2]

93. I already claimed it up thread.

But I am willing to share my prize, the internets, with you.

[Tommymac]

111. Kicked Liked Recced Retweeted...

AOC Rocks.

[Dem4Life1102]

125. Ok

Every single adult in the US will be eligible for the vaccine starting May 1st.

May 1st! We can do this.

Please get your shot as soon as you can. I can’t wait to have friends and family over, see a show, and experience live music again.

What are you most looking forward to?

[Autumn]

132. Somethings are easy to learn from google, like screenshots and stuff

[Autumn]

139. I don't bother with screenshots. When I post a tweet I post it for people who are interested in

Twitter or are interested in the person that authored the tweet that I'm posting.

[Decoy of Fenris]

142. The "Trackers" already have your information, I can promise you that.

If you've ever used a search engine, that data's already been sold to the highest bidder. And second highest. Probably third highest, too. There's no such thing as "Privacy" on the internet. Anonymity perhaps, but not privacy.


What you're asking is pretty silly, almost naively so, all things considered. To those of us who browse the internet "Normally", the OP is perfectly fine and accessible. It shouldn't be the OPs burden to cater to every passing, whimsical and half-imagined fancy of potential readers. If I have an irrational hatred of vowels, it'd be really fucking stupid of me to complain at the OP for using them.

[Decoy of Fenris]

147. Maybe because they're subbed to AOC, or Twitter's algorithms promoted AOCs tweet.

I'd be lying if I said I knew Twitter's algorithms, I loathe the platform. That said, other platforms I do use promote content based on a large number of fields, and oftentimes simply who has the most followers (or who is 'liked' most rapidly) rises to the top of the pile.

The Tweet itself is also promoting Biden, in the form of a "Retweet". By "Retweeting" Biden, AOC is also throwing a callout to Biden and his declaration herself. It's basically a Twitter way of saying "This is awesome".


Honestly, whether AOC or Biden says it, I don't give a shit. Nor (in my opinion) should anyone else so long as the message gets out there. May 1st, Vaccines for All.

[Decoy of Fenris]

150. Lots of folk have "Cut the cord" on cable TV. Not "All", but more than a few.

Or on TV in general, honestly. Especially the younger generations. For many, the Internet is the go-to for both entertainment and news, and things like Twitter, TikTok or other such social media have become the go-to news sources over the 'mainstream' news. Even Twitch has news broadcasts now, of better quality and content all things considered.

[GusBob]

157. Wow what a fucked up thread

Jesus Christ what a fucked up discussion forum

I loved the OP and clearly get how she was trying to be hopeful and foster some kind of discussion

I too am looking forward to live music. Might hit Bonnaroo

Going out for chicken wings

Going to a Packer game

Class C Montana the only game in town baby, wasn’t able to attend one game this year

A Fourth of July BBQ sounds good. Invite the whole gang

Our daughters wedding

Our Nephews wedding

Our Nieces wedding

We can have the memorial for my parents who died this year, finally. Our good friends will have theirs the same weekend for their mom

I am looking forward to all these gatherings

And yes I am looking forward to spending less time on DU. All the bitterness in this thread

I don’t think one reply talked about things to look forward to

[Dem4Life1102]

158. I know

Never thought in a forum dedicated to supporting democrats that a democratic representative retweeting and supporting a democratic president would need to be defended.

[Celerity]

160. +10000

[panader0]

162. AOC is the Democrat most hated by Republicans,

and coincidently the one most hated by a group of DUers. Go figure.

[progressoid]

177. + a lot.