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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHR1/VRA does NOTHING to help AOC in NY, Padella in CA, Booker in NJ or Durbin in Illinois.
They're in solid blue districts/states, where they have little to fear either way.
So who will HR1/VRA help and potentially keep their seats ?
Kirsten Sinema in AZ, Conor Lamb in PA and JOE MANCHIN in WV, amongst others in Red and Purple States where Republicans are still in control. If the new Republican voter suppression laws succeed, their seats are in imminent danger.
This media narrative that the Democratic Party is hanging on Joe and Kirsten, when they are the very people who will benefit from HR1/VRA !!! It would be professional suicide for either of them not to agree with getting this through the Senate.
Celerity
(43,286 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 18, 2021, 08:15 AM - Edit history (3)
after 2022
or
(2) in 2024 years he loses it, BUT the Dems hold the Senate the next 4 years, and then retain it in 2024, just without him.....
I do not think his answer may be the one we all want it to be.
Karma13612
(4,549 posts)Tea time for me, so bear/bare with me here:
Are you saying you dont think Joe would be concerned with being in a Republican lead Senate again?
I have questioned this myself.
I had more to say, but deleted for fear of being banned.
Celerity
(43,286 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 18, 2021, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)
It doesn't even make logical sense, as those bills are designed to help HIM.
I will make this following statement now:
and
IF the SCOTUS guts the current law (a really good possibility)
and
IF a good chunk of the hundreds of new of voter suppressions bills passes in the 43+ states they are now being debated in
and
WHEN you add on the crazy new round of gerrymandering (both at state and federal level) that will soon occur because of our horrific results at state assembly level (plus a cocked up census by white power elements in Trump admin)
we are in DEEP shit as both a Party and as a nation.
OnDoutside
(19,952 posts)all we're seeing is the process of evolution to get to the position he wants to get to.
Celerity
(43,286 posts)filibuster.
Joe Manchin just took an important filibuster reform off the table
Manchin just closed the door on a promising idea that could have made the Senate much more functional.
https://www.vox.com/2021/3/17/22336181/joe-manchin-filibuster-reform-41-votes-talking-jeff-merkley-senate-rules
OnDoutside
(19,952 posts)when the dancing is over !
Celerity
(43,286 posts)OnDoutside
(19,952 posts)benefit in not supporting it, when he would know (better than most) the consequences.
Karma13612
(4,549 posts)OnDoutside
(19,952 posts)in 22 and Manchin will lose in 24. Let's not forget that Manchin only won by 19,000 votes in 2018, so he would be a definite target in 2024.
Celerity
(43,286 posts)worse if all the suppression intensifies.
It (his blocking the 3 voters rights bills) is self destructive for HIM.
I was only attempting to offer an either/or choice for the question to illustrate a potential stance.
OnDoutside
(19,952 posts)Celerity
(43,286 posts)dsc
(52,155 posts)given that if the GOP were to get control even once in IL they would pass laws making it vastly harder for Chicago citizens to vote.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm worried that so many don't take what the Republicans are trying to do seriously, fussing about Sinema and Manchin as if they were our problem. Anyone else hear Putin laughing? Because so many people aren't so distracted away from the enormous threat to chewing their own ankles instead without help.
Trump's traitors in congress made a big mistake not giving Trump the power to rule by decree when they could -- as Viktor Orban's legislature in Hungary did. That was before Pelosi and company were sworn in in 2019.
We shouldn't count on their blowing their main chance for an internal coup next time.
And their next chance to pull off a successful coup could come right after next year's midterms.