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Thu Mar 25, 2021, 07:03 AM

"a well regulated militia ..."

are states which do not regulate their irregular militias and armed citizens neglecting a necessary component of any "free state?"

the 2nd amendment requires states to control their violent citizens.

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Response to rampartc (Original post)

Thu Mar 25, 2021, 07:39 AM

1. The right to bear arm is independent of militia service

According to the Supreme Court, presidents Biden and Obama, Bernie and HRC. It was actually put into the Democratic Party platform. Your position is not even in line with mainstream Democratic thought much less the country as a whole.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 25, 2021, 07:57 AM

2. I actually agree with the OP

What happened to the well-regulated militia part of the 2nd A? The mainstream version of the 2nd A seems to have landed us in a mess. It is time tr rethink things and go outside the generally accepted.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 25, 2021, 08:29 AM

3. Nothing happened to it

You, the OP and many others are simply misinterpreting what it actually means.

Here is something to consider - if the founding fathers meant what you think the militia clause means, why, in the entire history of the US, has there never been a law linking gun ownership to militia service? Can you show me a single instance where an American was forced to give up their guns because they were not members of a militia?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 25, 2021, 09:14 AM

4. armed citizens were always on call , led by local officials,

to defend their communities and to form posses and such. maybe if these mass shooters were part of such communities they might not be so alienated and would recognize the members of their fellow citizens as more than moving targets

well regulated might not mean, in every case, disarmed.

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Response to rampartc (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 25, 2021, 09:22 AM

7. In the context of the 2A regulated means "well equipped and trained"

regulated in the sense of laws and regulations is a more recent meaning of the word.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 25, 2021, 09:20 AM

5. Because in much of the history of the USA, we didn't have gun-humpers like this --

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 25, 2021, 09:28 AM

8. Which has nothing to do with my post.

The 2A allows you all the freedom in the world to pass the laws needed to ensure those men can't carry assault weapons in public.

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Response to rampartc (Original post)

Thu Mar 25, 2021, 09:21 AM

6. the originalist interpretation make the argument that well regulated had a different meaning in 1776

One very different than what would be the modern read. They argue that in 1700s in that context it would be more synonymous with capable, well trained, or even well armed. In digging into it, that argument might hold some water.

However, the 'well trained' interpretation does offer an interesting avenue to restriction. Require the nuts to train and demonstrate proficiency before they can own an assault weapon. Would add months of delay to buying one and a lot of them probably wouldn't want to put in the work.

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Response to rampartc (Original post)

Thu Mar 25, 2021, 10:24 AM

9. They should have left out the comma.

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