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RicROC

(1,203 posts)
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:27 PM Apr 2021

'In the closet' Trump friends

Lately, I have noticed comments from friends & acquaintances who I thought might be non-political, have made comments about Pres Biden's spending ideas. "Infrastructure is only a small portion of the bill", or "Boy, that is a lot of money we're spending". Of course, I retort immediately stating, 'it's about time we took care of our infrastructure- it has been too long' .

There's no follow-up discussion but I now know they are 'in the closet' Trump people who had been very careful in stating their views.

Has anyone else noticed this change all in the last couple months?

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'In the closet' Trump friends (Original Post) RicROC Apr 2021 OP
You can remind your friends that Trump campaigned "bigly" on infrastructure. no_hypocrisy Apr 2021 #1
Exactly. Trump and the Republicans were all in for an infrastructure bill until Biden took over. Midnight Writer Apr 2021 #3
I also have "non-political" friends/family who have suddenly found a voice against dem spending. -nt CrispyQ Apr 2021 #2
After They Complain About the Spending, Then NonPC Apr 2021 #10
Try not putting money into your house... lame54 Apr 2021 #4
Sometimes people repeat talking points to sound informed when it only shows what kind of sources ShazamIam Apr 2021 #5
Yeah, like FuxNoise! Fox is usually on 1 tv at my health club, sound off. But if I'm on a machine... machoneman Apr 2021 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author machoneman Apr 2021 #21
The more republicans ignore infrastructure, the more it costs to fix it. C_U_L8R Apr 2021 #6
Kick dalton99a Apr 2021 #7
You can't really call it "in the closet". It's a very familiar pattern. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #8
You Hit the Nail on the Head NonPC Apr 2021 #13
well ... there have been 'small government' non-spenders around for a long time stopdiggin Apr 2021 #9
It probably won't do any good, but share this with them: catbyte Apr 2021 #11
And yet, because of low rates, the cost to service our debt has not risen as egregiously. c-rational Apr 2021 #14
Yeah... spending money is one thing MissMillie Apr 2021 #19
Five years ago the American Society of Civil Engineers, which gave us a D or C- on infrastructure, c-rational Apr 2021 #12
Yes, I have FB "friends" who were rabid Trump supporters and now have resorted to taking Martin68 Apr 2021 #15
Many conservatives have always been this way . Trying to pretend JI7 Apr 2021 #16
A 38 yr old XanaDUer2 Apr 2021 #17
Devil's advocate here MissMillie Apr 2021 #18

no_hypocrisy

(46,019 posts)
1. You can remind your friends that Trump campaigned "bigly" on infrastructure.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:35 PM
Apr 2021

And promised it after his election, just like healthcare.

Midnight Writer

(21,708 posts)
3. Exactly. Trump and the Republicans were all in for an infrastructure bill until Biden took over.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:53 PM
Apr 2021

Infrastructure spending is an investment that will enhance our future value as a nation.

Just like replacing a leaky roof on your house. It will pay off in the long run.

CrispyQ

(36,420 posts)
2. I also have "non-political" friends/family who have suddenly found a voice against dem spending. -nt
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:52 PM
Apr 2021

NonPC

(282 posts)
10. After They Complain About the Spending, Then
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:08 PM
Apr 2021

tell them we can pay for it by repealing the multi-trillion dollar tax break for the rich from two years ago. Period, Then expect silence, and muttered sounds. Just see how they react. Can 95% of all republicans really say -- with a straight face -- that tax break was really needed? Especially since the Billionaire class just added 30% in net worth over the last year? Just bringing up this tax break for the rich will instantly freeze their Fox brains. That tax break has been proven to be indefensible, and they know it. And it's about the same amount of dollars for the new plan -- which will benefit ALL Americans. How patriotic would that be? If these closet people can't agree to the logic in that, then they are truly done for. Stick a fork in them.

lame54

(35,262 posts)
4. Try not putting money into your house...
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:56 PM
Apr 2021

Over time it will deteriorate and lose value

Then something will break burst or fall down

Then it will really cost you

ShazamIam

(2,564 posts)
5. Sometimes people repeat talking points to sound informed when it only shows what kind of sources
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:59 PM
Apr 2021

they use for information, and some love to be contrary.

machoneman

(3,997 posts)
20. Yeah, like FuxNoise! Fox is usually on 1 tv at my health club, sound off. But if I'm on a machine...
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 05:35 PM
Apr 2021

close enough, I can and do read the captioning. My God, it's open season on how much money Biden wants to spend. Large amounts, obscene amounts, dirty Democratic sums of cash and on and on.

And if it's not this topic, My God it's the huge increase in unaccompanied kids at the border! 24/7 and likely 365 from here on out. One would think zero migrants ever hit the border under Trump!

Response to ShazamIam (Reply #5)

C_U_L8R

(44,986 posts)
6. The more republicans ignore infrastructure, the more it costs to fix it.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:22 PM
Apr 2021

Apparently, fiscal responsibilty isn't their 'thing' anymore. As if it ever was.

Beastly Boy

(9,231 posts)
8. You can't really call it "in the closet". It's a very familiar pattern.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:33 PM
Apr 2021

i can trace it at least 40 years back: a republican becomes President, borrows piles of money to balloon spending on the military and give a hefty tax cut to the rich (they all call it a middle-class tax cut), deregulates the economy, raises unemployment and sends jobs overseas, tanks the economy in the process, eventually raises taxes on staple goods for all Americans (hey, no income taxes, though!) and bails. While he is in office, Republicans don't care one bit about national debt, or deficit, or the GDP, or standard of living, and, when criticized, blame the whole thing on the "wisdom of the marketplace" that is supposed to "regulate itself".

Then a Democrat becomes President and fixes the mess. This is when things like national debt, the deficit, the GDP, the nation's standard of living, etc., etc., begin to matter again to the republicans and they begin to very vocally demand instantaneous action on all fronts. Until a Republican becomes President again, when the cycle repeats itself.

Duh...

NonPC

(282 posts)
13. You Hit the Nail on the Head
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:19 PM
Apr 2021

And the reason that Republicans maintain their base, is because they message 10 times better than the Dems. Or 10 times as much. You get the point. In any case, they keep selling and repeating a non-logical senseless plan to their wide base much more effectively, so that there is no way to avoid a brainwashing.

stopdiggin

(11,241 posts)
9. well ... there have been 'small government' non-spenders around for a long time
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 03:58 PM
Apr 2021

a very tiny minority are even on hand when it came to tax cuts and Republican administrations ...

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c-rational

(2,588 posts)
14. And yet, because of low rates, the cost to service our debt has not risen as egregiously.
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:24 PM
Apr 2021

That could change, but I say full steam ahead on infrastructure spending. It, as does almost all environmental regulatory spending, pays for itself and then some, over the long run.

MissMillie

(38,529 posts)
19. Yeah... spending money is one thing
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 05:28 PM
Apr 2021

when you have something to show for it. (Other than increasing the off-shore bank accounts of billionaires)

c-rational

(2,588 posts)
12. Five years ago the American Society of Civil Engineers, which gave us a D or C- on infrastructure,
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:18 PM
Apr 2021

estimated the cost of repairs/rebuild at 4 trillion. We have a 20 trillion dollar economy. Over 10 years that is 200 trillion. To say we cannot afford 2 trillion or even 4 trillion to fix our house is ludicrous.

Martin68

(22,759 posts)
15. Yes, I have FB "friends" who were rabid Trump supporters and now have resorted to taking
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:26 PM
Apr 2021

potshots at Biden. Then again, they were always criticizing individual Democrats for doing things that were of no consequence while ignoring Trump's lies and crimes.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
16. Many conservatives have always been this way . Trying to pretend
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:28 PM
Apr 2021

they are non partisan or have real concerns and then doing what you said.

XanaDUer2

(10,495 posts)
17. A 38 yr old
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 05:05 PM
Apr 2021

librarian coworker was worrying aloud about the country "affording " the Biden covid bill. He has 2 small kids. Doubt he's a Trumper, but who knows.

MissMillie

(38,529 posts)
18. Devil's advocate here
Sun Apr 11, 2021, 05:22 PM
Apr 2021

Not all those who oppose this kind of spending are necessarily supporters of the last guy.

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