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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe worst kind of political correctness
is avoiding the word racist because it offends racists.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)wryter2000
(46,023 posts)Means all white people are racist
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Because I supposedly called Carville a "closet racist" (which I didn't, but, you know ...), that meant I was also calling the people here who are defending him racist and, therefore, I was personally insulting that individual poster.
That's some next level "I desperately need to be a victim" shish right there.
canetoad
(17,137 posts)Kick
The Wizard
(12,536 posts)multigraincracker
(32,641 posts)By Nadra Kareem Nittle
Updated November 01, 2020
It's a common belief that race can be broken down into three categories: Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid. But according to science, that's not so. While the American concept of race took off in the late 1600s and persists even today, researchers now argue that theres no scientific basis for race. So, what exactly is race, and what are its origins?
Bigotism?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Bill Maher.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And many of them hate seeing other white people being called racist - they hate it so much they assume that any time a white person is called a racist, they themselves are being so labeled.
And many of them hate being told they are anything except pure as the driven snow when it comes to race and assume that if anyone tells them they could do better on race they are being called a racist.
wryter2000
(46,023 posts)I figure if I dont act like wypipo, youre not talking about me.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Wypipo really sets some folks off.
But so does seeing any white people called "white people." Because that's divisive.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)white people. Much less wypipo.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)And I'm white. It's such a spot-on stereotype, for the most part.
SNL did this skit called "Investigation Discovery: White People Problems" w/ Charles Barkley. I almost wet myself. It was hilarious.
I know racism is a very serious problem, but I still think turning the tables sometimes can be pretty amusing, because there is a large kernel of truth in there.
Celerity
(43,141 posts)Mossfern
(2,449 posts)Just saying...
Solomon
(12,310 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 29, 2021, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Because I know I'm not, So why should I care if someone doesn't know any better than to call me that?
It's like Dick Gregory said. "If I pick up this book and call it a bicycle, is the book crazy? Of course not."
It's just not something I care about one way or another. I don't think most Black people care, either - probably why so many of us are puzzled by the reaction of some white people to the label.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)just saying:
a phrase used to indicate that we refuse to defend a claim we've made---in other words, that we refuse to offer reasons that what we've said is true
(Urban Dictionary)
Ex Lurker
(3,811 posts)read up on your definitions.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)being called a racist is worse than actual racism.
Seems to have happened about the same time that simply discussing race was argued against as playing the fictional but highly popular 'race card'.
Thus, these same people give themselves the excuse to bleat how oppressed they themselves are, and instead focus on that non sequitur.
I wish the bleating was limited only to Tucker Carlson, but it creeps into all sorts of unexpected places.
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)Just like I cant speak generally negative things things about anyone.
And to assume what any group of persons thinks generally is quite a step.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Probably because usually when we're called a racist, it's by some clueless, overly-defensive white person trying to derail an honest discussion about race and is quite certain that being thought of as a racist (whether they are or not) makes them a much bigger victim than actually being subjected to racism.
soldierant
(6,800 posts)a pretty good description of while privilege - or at least one symptom.
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)Also, trying to speak for white people is like me speaking for black people.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I find the white people I know who do get worked up about it also have a tendency to always try to center discussions about race on themselves and the perceived lights against them. Hence the over-emphasis on how they are being maligned by accusations of racism (which are often nothing of the kind) and how they use that to derail any conversations about race and racism that make them uncomfortable or aren't focused on what excellent people they are.
I'm not speaking for white people. Just telling you what my own experiences with white people have been. And I suspect that, like most Black folk, I have considerably more experience interacting with white people than most white people have interacting with blacks. That's a reality of being Black in America - hypervigilance and careful observation of our white brothers and sisters is absolutely essential for our success, safety, and survival.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Solomon
(12,310 posts)Racist is such a horrible word that they couldn't possibly be racist. Shame on you for saying so!
wryter2000
(46,023 posts)calling someone racist is worse than actually being racist.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Solomon
(12,310 posts)LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)They are whom? Be specific. You use they continually. I would like you to speak clearly as to whom it is you speak for.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Read the post I was responding to.
If you're really interested in to whom I'm referring, that should satisfy you.
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)Obviously I have touched some nerve that you are starting to talk circles.
You stated that generally speaking white people think .......
I wanted to know what white people you speak for. And you have run around it from the start. I hear what you think white people think generally.
I want to know what you think specifically. Who are these white people you speak for.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But I am perfectly capable of speaking of my lived experience with white people. And I will continue to do so, notwithstanding efforts by "some" to silence me or dismiss my perspective as irrelevant.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)and totally against injustice of any kind.
When asked in a former post if you were referring to people at DU - how some didn't understand white privilege and how horribly different it was related to being stopped/harassed/shot. You said "Yes!!"
Bottom line, being accused of things that are not true is bad for any human being.
Calling out injustice does not have to include veiled blame toward good hearted empathetic people who are on the same side.
And snide and dismissive remarks like you just did to Lake Arenal are very offensive.
We are all on the same side... But posts that accuse and denigrate do not help.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Post #3
Please stop insinuating that DUers, are not 100% empathetic.
We are all on the same side!!!!!
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StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)"Racism is so common in America that when you protest racism, some think you are protesting America." (or something like that)
LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)Say what you mean. Dont hide behind the some or they.
Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)LakeArenal
(28,806 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Anti-racism white women have always been the largest and most influential group believing in and working for equality, including racial equality, even before we got the vote. NO advance in equality has occurred in this nation without strong support of pro-equality white women. If we weren't in it, it didn't happen.
(White men, overwhelmingly conservative white men, have always provided the largest, and by far most powerful pro-racism and anti-equality group across the board. We KNOW that.
So what unsung genius first presented the idea to the RW schemers of dividing pro-equality forces by casting all white women as the nation's biggest racists? Evil racist witches and bitches that we all are? Even born into original female sin.
And how INCREDIBLY STUPID are all those who bought into it? Against all history. Against all facts?
But not at all against the underlying, ancient bigotry against women that is the reason so many eager suckers, who imagine they're pro-equality, leaped to believe and spread that Big Lie.
gulliver
(13,168 posts)Name calling someone a racist doesn't work, because the term has become synonymous with "the worst thing someone can be." People don't hear you calling them out for racism when you call them racists. They don't even think about what the term means. They just reject it.
But I'll call laws racist, systems racist, intentions racist, etc.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Neither were Jews or Italians, etc. So bigot works better. Archie Bunker and my dad were bigots. I even experienced bigotry "back in the day" due to my long hair and "hippie ways."
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)I experienced it myself. But we had the option to cut our hair, which I did anytime I was looking for a job in the 60s. People don't have the ability to change races or nationality. That adds another dimension to things.
SunSeeker
(51,523 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)Given the intermingling of the Native Americans, black people, the Indian peoples of Mexico, Asians, and white people, the likelihood is that almost everyone has a few drops of non-white blood unless their ancestors immigrated more recently from mostly white countries like Norway or Sweden. Perhaps a few people who are clearly racist but claim not to be should have a DNA test. They might be surprised at their own ancestors.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Do not avoid the word but specify who you are talking about!