What's with all this Liz Cheney "Atta-Girling"???

[WarGamer]

One, she's scum. She always has been. Her father is a disgraced war criminal and part of a Republican Party past that philosophically believed that every nation in the world "deserved" freedom as defined by neocons which led to the deaths of millions and civil instability.

Their movement caused ALL the destruction in the Middle East post 2000.

Dick is the father of ISIS and has bloody handprints in Egypt, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Two, she has NO political future. None. She has NO support other than the MSM giving her backslaps and Bill Kristol and the Lincoln Project.

She's going to be wiped out of the Congress in a biblical pounding in the Wy primary.

There's NO magical family power and hidden group of supporters who will propel her to political fame.

There's NO 3rd Party creation. The GOP just rec'd a record setting 74 Million votes for POTUS, almost took the House with a Boat anchor at the top of the ballot and maintained a near-stalemate in the Senate.

I IMPLORE all of you... please STOP dreaming and fantasizing about some 1 in a Billion shot at keeping Trump on the sidelines by whatever means... it's not fruitful nor based in reality.

Beat Trump and the GOP with good governance.

Watch Joe. He's working this thing masterfully, his approval numbers are A+ and he's sly enough to know where he can find bipartisan support from the GOP.

The GOP will LOSE in '22 and '24 (hopefully) because the population says "All that shit about communism and Border invasion never came true. The USA is a more compassionate country today and a more successful one, too. We're leading the world in protecting the environment AND my own life is better than before. We're now taxing the wealthy in a fair manner. Thumbs up for progressive policy."

[LakeArenal]

1. She's fine. We just have to accept that this is her big bet.

I think in three years she’ll be the darling of the GQP again. Just in time to run.

But not against trump. He’s just grifting his supporters for $$$.

[WarGamer]

2. Who is her base of support?

So she's going to win the GOP primary in Texas? Her home State of Wy? Florida, Oklahoma and Alabama?

Seriously.

She's done. She was a legacy seat in Congress given to her for nothing more than a surname.

He might run. He's a narcissist. He feeds on the power and adoration. He'd love NOTHING more than to get "revenge" from the oval office again.

If he doesn't run... he'll still be very active to support a protege.

[LakeArenal]

21. It's all speculation at this point.

[BlueTsunami2018]

3. Yep.

All this praise for simply not being a traitor is ridiculous. She’s an awful person from an awful family who still defends the Iraq war and whose policy positions are horrific.

She’s no hero.

[stillcool]

4. I'll dream and fantasize about any damn thing I want...

but it won't be the fate of Liz Cheney. She gets a gold star for doing the right thing. As a human, I'm sure she has qualities that are admirable from a distance....but the issue of the Republican party has no preordained outcome. Nothing about future events is based in reality.

[Maru Kitteh]

5. girl?

[Raine]

30. It's just a phrase like "atta boy"

I'm sure the OP intended nothing more then a play on the original atta boy phrase.

[MontanaMama]

6. We know who she is.

I’ve got no love for her but I don’t have a problem saying she did the right thing by telling the truth.

[PortTack]

10. Exactly! And she said in her speech this morning that she would make sure dotard never holds

Office again. She didn’t say I will try to ..she said she will make sure.

That in itself is huge.

Dotard picked a fight with someone he shouldn’t have and there will be a price for that

[WarGamer]

31. How's she going to do that?

[Arazi]

48. Darth Cheney's working the donor phones now. Don't discount the titans

Repulsive and criminal that they are

[Kaleva]

7. Nothing we say here about Liz Cheney will have any effect on what goes on in the real world

[doc03]

8. You can still be a patriot and believe in the

Constitution and Democracy even if she disagrees with
Democrats. I consider any of the others that backed Trump's coup as traitors. That's the trouble with this country today it's either my way or the highway. She is giving up her job because of her belief in the truth. Only wish there more like her.

[EarlG]

9. The "atta-girling" is solely down to the fact

that she’s driving a massive wedge right down the middle of the Republican Party.

Nobody here actually thinks the Cheneys are good people.

[PortTack]

11. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[uponit7771]

13. 👍🏾

[USALiberal]

15. +1000! Nt

[Kaleva]

16. +1001

[WarGamer]

22. the middle?

At most, she's cleaving a one micron thick slice off the GOP.

[Skittles]

32. make no mistake

what she "cleaves off" WILL STILL STINK

[WarGamer]

33. Absolutely.

[EarlG]

46. Fair enough, not the middle

But... just because GOP elected officials are marching in lockstep, it doesn’t necessarily mean that there aren’t plenty of people out there in the real world who call (or used to call) themselves Republicans that would rather stand with Liz Cheney than Donald Trump.

“Down the middle” is an exaggeration, but the point is, there now appears to be an irreconcilable split between two factions of the GOP. The party at large has declared itself the Party of Trump, with no room for dissenters. Meanwhile, Cheney could be sucking up to Trump or playing the Susan Collins concern game, but instead she’s driving the wedge, hard.

The more time they spend loudly and publicly fighting each other on fundamental issues like “was the election stolen?” or “does the truth matter?”, the less time they spend fighting us, and the more they look like a shambles than a viable political party. That can’t be a bad thing for us.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

45. Amen

[Still Sensible]

12. Just as we criticize her or any republican on all the issues where we disagree

we should be willing to praise them when they take a courageous position. And make no mistake, this is a courageous stand against the majority of her fellow House clowns as well as the large section of GOP voters that have swallowed all of tRump's bullshit and get their opinions from Faux and other nutjob propaganda sources.

There is no useful purpose--nor any credibility--in simply attacking the opposition in every instance. If you disagree with what she has done here, fine, go ahead and attack her for it.

But this attack in the face of a current stance we agree with is, at best, counter productive vitriol... IMO.

For the record, I loathe her father and almost always disagree with her.

[JI7]

14. Glad she is speaking against Trump's lies.

[Treefrog]

17. Posts #4. 6. 7, and 10 might answer your question.

And that’s just a start.

[Kingofalldems]

18. Why are you upset that DU agrees with her stance?

Nobody voiced support for her political career.

Looks like an attack on DU.

Hmmmm.

[Treefrog]

20. Very good question.

[Hekate]

34. "Actively support," in what regard, Charlie? Are we not allowed to state the fact that ...

...unlike Trump and Trumpists, she operates in the fact-based world? I will never fail to oppose her inflexible conservatism, but Dems have always been able to work with people who at least agree on what the facts are — such as, Trump/ MAGAs tried to overthrow the government and still are trying.

Stating that doesn’t make me or other Dems like me the enemy.

[Doc Sportello]

36. No one is "supporting" Cheney

They are simply glad that her and a few other high profile repubs are telling the truth about the election and standing up to dump. It has nothing to do with her policies, her father, or anything other than that. Really, it's not a hard distinction to understand.

And this fuck-them-all take is exactly what the scorched earth people on the other side want to hear. They want a civil war and an end to democracy. Easy to express hatred and civil war behind a keyboard. Nuance, rationality and governing are hard, but necessary for a democracy to survive.

[WarGamer]

38. I've seen a few here and MANY on TV that are back-slapping her and treating her like whats his name.

The Stormy lawyer that turned out to be a creep?

There's NOTHING good about her.

[Kingofalldems]

41. What does the Stormy lawyer have to do with anything?

[WarGamer]

43. How some news anchors are talking about her non-stop

Treating her like she has something of value to offer.

Kinda like whats his name, honest to God I can't remember his name...

Ok, googled it. Avenatti.

Remember, they were talking him up as a POTUS candidate? It was laughable then and it's laughable now that they elevate Liz.

Why don't they ask her about the decade of instability she and her Dad are responsible for? Or ask her about her LGBT sister? Or About what she said about President Obama?

I can't forgive her no matter what she says about the GOP'ers and Trump.

[BradAllison]

44. Or Michael Cohen n/m

[Doc Sportello]

49. No you haven't

To repeat, they are not "supporting" her as you claim. Like I said, the distinction between agreeing with her stance on dump and the election and her other stances are easy to see, unless one chooses to remain blind. War games may be fun to play but civil war is as bad as it gets. Keyboard warriors on both sides who see everything as all one or the other may lust for war and happy to incite it but when the real fighting starts they are nowhere to be found.

[Hekate]

52. ***

[betsuni]

53. +1

[Skittles]

19. she very much helped create the GOP as it exists today

fuck ALL of them

[WarGamer]

27. yes

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/06/dick-cheney-iraq-op-ed-wsj.html

[Raine]

35. Definitely agree

I despise her, she can fuck off!

[WarGamer]

39. read this, you'll think LESS of her

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/06/dick-cheney-iraq-op-ed-wsj.html

[anamnua]

24. You cannot visit the sins of the father on the child. NT.

[Hekate]

25. True enough,tho she is a rock-hard conservative by all accounts. Nonetheless, she & we can agree...

...on a set of actual facts, not “alternative facts.” That makes her somebody Dems can work with, even while disagreeing on policies.

[WarGamer]

28. rock hard neocon warmonger.

[WarGamer]

26. Maybe I can remind you about what SHE did to her LGBT sister?

Or this?

Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz Cheney (the one who started a family feud with her lesbian sister, only to drop out of the Senate race in Wyoming) have an op-ed in tomorrow’s Wall Street Journal

“Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.”

Specifically, they claim that Obama was a fool to end the war in Iraq, and say his actions there — both before and after the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) overtook several cities last week — are increasing the terrorist threat against the United States. Unsurprisingly, there’s no mention of whose stupid idea it was to go into Iraq in the first place.

When Mr. Obama and his team came into office in 2009, al Qaeda in Iraq had been largely defeated, thanks primarily to the heroic efforts of U.S. armed forces during the surge. Mr. Obama had only to negotiate an agreement to leave behind some residual American forces, training and intelligence capabilities to help secure the peace. Instead, he abandoned Iraq and we are watching American defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.

Despite clear evidence of the dire need for American leadership around the world, the desperation of our allies and the glee of our enemies, President Obama seems determined to leave office ensuring he has taken America down a notch. Indeed, the speed of the terrorists’ takeover of territory in Iraq has been matched only by the speed of American decline on his watch.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/06/dick-cheney-iraq-op-ed-wsj.html

[Raine]

37. Then she should hold office under her married name not her father's

seems her father's sins are fine with her.

[BannonsLiver]

29. Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[betsuni]

47. ...

[Etherealoc1]

40. Yeah, but if

she votes 100% with the repubs,
what do we have to gain.

Kabuki theater.

[NurseJackie]

42. I am capable of more than binary thinking...

... and I can perceive many shades of gray.

[betsuni]

55. I don't understand the fuss.

Thinking that a Republican did something good doesn't turn one into a Republican, it's not contagious. The Lincoln Project didn't turn us all into Republicans because we liked their anti-Trump work, either. Jeez.

[BlueNProud]

50. Post of the year Bravo!!

spot on my friend

[FlyingPiggy]

51. C'mon, we're adults here. I don't think anyone is going to go out and donate to her

But you can separate the message from the messenger and support the message. I don’t agree with much of Liz Cheney, but I think this takes courage and strength to stand up like this and it should be recognized. Not for her shit in the past. Just. This. Because no one is perfect.

[FakeNoose]

54. The population of the ENTIRE state of Wyoming is 576,851

There are 31 cities in the United States with larger populations than Wyoming, and almost all of them are filled with Democratic voters.

# 1 New York, NY - 8,336,817
# 2 Los Angeles, CA - 3,979,576
# 3 Chicago, IL - 2,693,976
# 4 Houston, TX - 2,320,268
# 5 Phoenix, AZ - 1,680,992
# 6 Philadelphia, PA - 1,584,064
# 7 San Antonio, TX - 1,547,253
# 8 San Diego, CA - 1,423,851
# 9 Dallas, TX - 1,343,573
#10 San Jose, CA - 1,021,795
#11 Austin, TX - 978,908
#12 Jacksonville, FL - 911,507
#13 Fort Worth, TX - 909,585
#14 Columbus, OH - 898,553
#15 Charlotte, NC - 885,708
#16 San Francisco, CA - 881,549
#17 Indianapolis, IN - 876,384
#18 Seattle, WA - 753,675
#19 Denver, CO - 727,211
#20 Washington, DC - 705,749
#21 Boston, MA - 692,600
#22 El Paso, TX - 681,728
#23 Nashville, TN - 670,820
#24 Detroit, MI - 670,031
#25 Oklahoma City, OK - 655,057
#26 Portland, OR - 654,741
#27 Las Vegas, NV - 651,319
#28 Memphis, TN - 651,073
#29 Louisville, KY - 617,638
#30 Baltimore, MD - 593,490
#31 Milwaukee, WI - 590,157

Stats from Wikipedia (link) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

Don't ever concede our combined Democratic voting power to a state as small as Wyoming. There are too many of us, and we believe in democracy. We support the Constitution. What happens in any individual RED STATE should be of no concern to us, as long as we keep our eyes on the prize.

[Treefrog]

56. Thank you for this!