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all the filibuster lovers need to do to keep it is- (Original Post) mopinko Jun 2021 OP
Except they don't even have to do that FBaggins Jun 2021 #1
no. they did it one time. mopinko Jun 2021 #2
So when a special session brings it back up? FBaggins Jun 2021 #3
this is not about texas. mopinko Jun 2021 #5
Reflexive Contrarianism, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2021 #6
That looks like a personal attack Loki Liesmith Jun 2021 #11
Do You Really? The Magistrate Jun 2021 #13
Not from TM FBaggins Jun 2021 #14
I would say that they are the same, but different... reACTIONary Jun 2021 #20
Are you seriously equating the two voting rights laws? Lancero Jun 2021 #4
Nope FBaggins Jun 2021 #7
And yet you chose to make these voting bills your examples. Lancero Jun 2021 #9
Are there other recent filibusters? FBaggins Jun 2021 #10
I would say that they are the same, but different... reACTIONary Jun 2021 #21
Yes if Mitch can selectively filibuster SCOTUS picks, we can use it for specific legislation bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #8
Extraordinary circumstances can occur quite frequently. jaxexpat Jun 2021 #12
Is your definition of gab13by13 Jun 2021 #15
What are you? The purity police? Of course I despise the Republican bad intentions. jaxexpat Jun 2021 #16
Sorry if I was too harsh, gab13by13 Jun 2021 #18
Dems could tart threatening committees with... SmartVoter22 Jun 2021 #17
Those are all great ideas, gab13by13 Jun 2021 #19

FBaggins

(26,730 posts)
1. Except they don't even have to do that
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 05:53 AM
Jun 2021

On a related question... what do you think of the TX Dems blocking the voting changes? Are they abusing the privilege as well?

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
6. Reflexive Contrarianism, Sir
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:17 AM
Jun 2021

Can be carried too far.

Just because you can't agree with anyone does not mean you are the one who is right.

FBaggins

(26,730 posts)
14. Not from TM
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:14 AM
Jun 2021

I disagree with the post as misguided, but I don’t think it was an attack.

Not sure TM is capable of such.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
20. I would say that they are the same, but different...
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:20 AM
Jun 2021

... minority parties may take extraordinary measures, within the rules, to block legislation, and majority parties may take extraordinary measures, within the rules to unblock the blocking of legislation.

And that would include using the rules to change the rules, temporarily or permanently.

Within the rules, all's fair.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
4. Are you seriously equating the two voting rights laws?
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:10 AM
Jun 2021

Here is what is in Texas's new voting 'rights' bill.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/30/texas-voting-restrictions-senate/

Texas is trying to further restrict the peoples ability to vote. This is something that most certainly should not be allowed to pass.

On a related question, what do you think about Democratic attempts to not just preserve voting rights, but strengthen them? Do you think they're being abusive in their attempts to do so?

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
9. And yet you chose to make these voting bills your examples.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:25 AM
Jun 2021

I believe that voting rights should be preserved and strengthened.

Do you?

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
21. I would say that they are the same, but different...
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:21 AM
Jun 2021

... minority parties may take extraordinary measures, within the rules, to block legislation, and majority parties may take extraordinary measures, within the rules to unblock the blocking of legislation.

And that would include using the rules to change the rules, temporarily or permanently.

Within the rules, all's fair.

bucolic_frolic

(43,137 posts)
8. Yes if Mitch can selectively filibuster SCOTUS picks, we can use it for specific legislation
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 06:25 AM
Jun 2021

in defense of democracy.

One time use. Voting laws, infrastructure bill for jobs and growth.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
12. Extraordinary circumstances can occur quite frequently.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:01 AM
Jun 2021

I have experienced multiple flat tires in the course of a week but NEVER had any since or before. Should I have abandoned the vehicle rather than repair the tires?

Congress is a lot like a sloppy construction site where every work vehicle is subject to tire puncture every day. If the general contractor fined every sub contractor who refused to police their area of nails and sharp metal debris the punctures would soon cease. Unlike a small congressional majority, the General Contractor has authority by contract.

The filibuster is not sacrosanct. However, the good will of the parties is. There exists a situation now wherein a lack of good will is preventing all progress except the inexorable passage of time. That constant may be the only salvation for the situation.

gab13by13

(21,316 posts)
15. Is your definition of
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:16 AM
Jun 2021

"lack of good will" singular or plural?" What is your remedy for Republican controlled states putting Republican politicians in charge of running future elections? In putting them in charge of deciding who won the election regardless of which candidate got the most votes?

If someone props spikes against your tires every morning would you not want them to stop doing that? When you get a flat tire it is from an extenuating circumstance beyond your control and a random occurrence. Rigging who wins elections is not an act of good will is it, or should Democrats negotiate with the GQP?

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
16. What are you? The purity police? Of course I despise the Republican bad intentions.
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:30 AM
Jun 2021

I read. I live in America. They're a misguided mob. So we fight fire with fire. Life goes on. And I know accusatory interrogation when I see it. Your papers, please.

gab13by13

(21,316 posts)
18. Sorry if I was too harsh,
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:07 AM
Jun 2021

but IMO Congress has been broken since McConnell met on Barack Obama's inauguration day and vowed to obstruct everything that Democrats propose. The Republican party has now become the GQP and that new party will not negotiate in good faith, it will negotiate to delay until the next election. The GQP puts getting reelected over the good of the country. The GQP would not even vote to hold a commission to investigate 1/6 because many of the members of Congress were involved in the insurrection. The GQP side of Congress is broken not the Democratic side. If the GQP has its way it will be impossible for Democrats to win elections in Republican controlled states, that is why the filibuster must be put aside for S1, if S1 is not passed our democracy is dead.

SmartVoter22

(639 posts)
17. Dems could tart threatening committees with...
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 07:36 AM
Jun 2021

... the elimination of operating funds, for those committees, the GOP abuses most.
Reduce all committee budgets by 35% overall, and eliminate specific funding that the GOP most often abuses.
Specific funding would include hiring outside 'advisory' groups, funding of travel and staffers that are not budgeted in the committees 2 yr term and prevent former lobbyists and contractor employees from staff positions. Require more academic credentials for all staff.

Eliminate staffers ability to work as lobbyists for a period of 15 years regardless for those working with nat'l security issues.
If they want the Congressional job, they give up all rights to work as a lobbyist or employed by a nat'l security contractor. Books can be written, after employment, no earlier than two Presidential terms from date of employment ending, to asure nat'l secuirty compliances.

Require all committee budgets to be separately approved by Congress with a veto proof majority in either House.
Setting this standard very high would create more thoughtful budgets and reduce potential abuses by any electeds. Congress would have to look at everything with a 'fine toothed comb, to make sure the political efforts have strictest oversight.

Just a few thoughts of mine, on changing procedural aspects of Congressional commitees, in an attempt to reduce the partisan nonsense the fringe love these days.

gab13by13

(21,316 posts)
19. Those are all great ideas,
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 08:11 AM
Jun 2021

but IMO getting S1 passed should take top priority. If Republicans are not stopped in their passing of these new voter suppression laws which allows Republicans to be in charge of elections which allows Republicans to determine who won an election regardless of the vote total then we are going to have minority rule slide right in to an autocracy/oligarchy/dictatorship.

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