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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsall the filibuster lovers need to do to keep it is-
give sr1 an up or down vote.
and stop abusing the privilege.
that's it.
grow up. do your job.
eat your peas.
FBaggins
(26,730 posts)On a related question... what do you think of the TX Dems blocking the voting changes? Are they abusing the privilege as well?
mopinko
(70,088 posts)it's meant to be an extraordinary measure, not routine practice.
FBaggins
(26,730 posts)Then they have to stop, right?
mopinko
(70,088 posts)this is about the u.s. senate.
and a much abused rule.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Can be carried too far.
Just because you can't agree with anyone does not mean you are the one who is right.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)How odd.
FBaggins
(26,730 posts)I disagree with the post as misguided, but I dont think it was an attack.
Not sure TM is capable of such.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... minority parties may take extraordinary measures, within the rules, to block legislation, and majority parties may take extraordinary measures, within the rules to unblock the blocking of legislation.
And that would include using the rules to change the rules, temporarily or permanently.
Within the rules, all's fair.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)Here is what is in Texas's new voting 'rights' bill.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/30/texas-voting-restrictions-senate/
Texas is trying to further restrict the peoples ability to vote. This is something that most certainly should not be allowed to pass.
On a related question, what do you think about Democratic attempts to not just preserve voting rights, but strengthen them? Do you think they're being abusive in their attempts to do so?
Comparing actions that minority parties take to influence what legislation becomes law.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)I believe that voting rights should be preserved and strengthened.
Do you?
FBaggins
(26,730 posts)Of course voting rights should be preserved.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... minority parties may take extraordinary measures, within the rules, to block legislation, and majority parties may take extraordinary measures, within the rules to unblock the blocking of legislation.
And that would include using the rules to change the rules, temporarily or permanently.
Within the rules, all's fair.
bucolic_frolic
(43,137 posts)in defense of democracy.
One time use. Voting laws, infrastructure bill for jobs and growth.
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)I have experienced multiple flat tires in the course of a week but NEVER had any since or before. Should I have abandoned the vehicle rather than repair the tires?
Congress is a lot like a sloppy construction site where every work vehicle is subject to tire puncture every day. If the general contractor fined every sub contractor who refused to police their area of nails and sharp metal debris the punctures would soon cease. Unlike a small congressional majority, the General Contractor has authority by contract.
The filibuster is not sacrosanct. However, the good will of the parties is. There exists a situation now wherein a lack of good will is preventing all progress except the inexorable passage of time. That constant may be the only salvation for the situation.
gab13by13
(21,316 posts)"lack of good will" singular or plural?" What is your remedy for Republican controlled states putting Republican politicians in charge of running future elections? In putting them in charge of deciding who won the election regardless of which candidate got the most votes?
If someone props spikes against your tires every morning would you not want them to stop doing that? When you get a flat tire it is from an extenuating circumstance beyond your control and a random occurrence. Rigging who wins elections is not an act of good will is it, or should Democrats negotiate with the GQP?
jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)I read. I live in America. They're a misguided mob. So we fight fire with fire. Life goes on. And I know accusatory interrogation when I see it. Your papers, please.
gab13by13
(21,316 posts)but IMO Congress has been broken since McConnell met on Barack Obama's inauguration day and vowed to obstruct everything that Democrats propose. The Republican party has now become the GQP and that new party will not negotiate in good faith, it will negotiate to delay until the next election. The GQP puts getting reelected over the good of the country. The GQP would not even vote to hold a commission to investigate 1/6 because many of the members of Congress were involved in the insurrection. The GQP side of Congress is broken not the Democratic side. If the GQP has its way it will be impossible for Democrats to win elections in Republican controlled states, that is why the filibuster must be put aside for S1, if S1 is not passed our democracy is dead.
SmartVoter22
(639 posts)... the elimination of operating funds, for those committees, the GOP abuses most.
Reduce all committee budgets by 35% overall, and eliminate specific funding that the GOP most often abuses.
Specific funding would include hiring outside 'advisory' groups, funding of travel and staffers that are not budgeted in the committees 2 yr term and prevent former lobbyists and contractor employees from staff positions. Require more academic credentials for all staff.
Eliminate staffers ability to work as lobbyists for a period of 15 years regardless for those working with nat'l security issues.
If they want the Congressional job, they give up all rights to work as a lobbyist or employed by a nat'l security contractor. Books can be written, after employment, no earlier than two Presidential terms from date of employment ending, to asure nat'l secuirty compliances.
Require all committee budgets to be separately approved by Congress with a veto proof majority in either House.
Setting this standard very high would create more thoughtful budgets and reduce potential abuses by any electeds. Congress would have to look at everything with a 'fine toothed comb, to make sure the political efforts have strictest oversight.
Just a few thoughts of mine, on changing procedural aspects of Congressional commitees, in an attempt to reduce the partisan nonsense the fringe love these days.
gab13by13
(21,316 posts)but IMO getting S1 passed should take top priority. If Republicans are not stopped in their passing of these new voter suppression laws which allows Republicans to be in charge of elections which allows Republicans to determine who won an election regardless of the vote total then we are going to have minority rule slide right in to an autocracy/oligarchy/dictatorship.