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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,517 posts)
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 06:01 PM Jun 2021

A note of caution from Thom Hartmann:

~snip

Democracies don’t turn into fascist oligarchies by being invaded or losing wars. It always happens from within, and is always driven buy an alliance between demagogic, populist politicians and some of the very wealthiest people in society.

Step one for these right wing politicians and the morbidly rich who support them is to pit one group of people within the nation against others: Marginalize and demonize minorities, deny them access to the levers of democratic power while openly attacking them for trying to usurp the privileges and prerequisites of the majority.

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And now Republicans and the oligarchs aligned with them are trying to pull it off here in the United States.

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Standing against them is the Democratic Party, although the Fritz Tysons of today’s America, billionaire members of the Koch network, are doing everything they can to prevent Democrats from ensuring fair and honest elections in 2022 and 2024 by buying off Joe Manchin and others.

Those Republican voter suppression and voter nullification laws being passed by state after state are essential to their final take-down of the Democratic Party.

Meanwhile, the billionaire Murdoch family’s Fox News is working as hard as it can to make Black people and Democrats 2021’s version of Hitler’s 1933 Jews and Socialists.

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The link:https://hartmannreport.com/p/why-fox-news-claims-they-are-taking?r=lxca0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copy


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A note of caution from Thom Hartmann: (Original Post) CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2021 OP
Passively ignoring Russia's ongoing interference in our democracy. (Nt) FreepFryer Jun 2021 #1
Except it wasn't restricted to 'interference'. triron Jun 2021 #12
Yes: internal factors are important, but so is Putin. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #14
Rupert Murdoch will die very soon, and his influence will be meaningless FakeNoose Jun 2021 #2
Who will replace them? Red Mountain Jun 2021 #4
The one's who get their money. GoodRaisin Jun 2021 #15
The Mercers will still be around. wnylib Jun 2021 #16
It's the voter nullification laws that really scare me. ananda Jun 2021 #3
Fight them until the end Red Mountain Jun 2021 #5
Voter nullification means that other entities.. ananda Jun 2021 #20
The access laws scare the crap out of me too ... that's crazy, we're already low on democracy index uponit7771 Jun 2021 #8
Fritz Thyssen sarchasm Jun 2021 #6
Yeah, he's the guy who made the wnylib Jun 2021 #17
K and R for the smartest man in the room Ferrets are Cool Jun 2021 #7
One correction FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #9
Yep, they almost pulled it off Jan 6th. KS Toronado Jun 2021 #13
Well also, the author might look into the word "perquisite" as a replacement for "prerequisite". nt aka-chmeee Jun 2021 #24
Early 1930s Germany. mwooldri Jun 2021 #10
Thom Hartmann is very often right on! burrowowl Jun 2021 #11
If Americans from coast to coast aren't outraged and up in arms... BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #18
Germany was a very homogeneous country. roamer65 Jun 2021 #19
For the record; James Murdoch spent $ 100 million last year supporting Biden and Democratic campaign grantcart Jun 2021 #21
But haven't oligarchs and the wealthy always played both sides? Solomon Jun 2021 #22
James Murdoch and his wife are all in and he left Fox News Corp. grantcart Jun 2021 #23

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Yes: internal factors are important, but so is Putin.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 01:14 PM
Jun 2021

I take this piece as more of a targeting indicator than a caution. We don't need more cautions; we are already well and truly freaked out.

We have to attack the specific oligarchs mentioned, and directly deal with Manchurian Manchin. And attack Putin.

FakeNoose

(32,577 posts)
2. Rupert Murdoch will die very soon, and his influence will be meaningless
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 06:21 PM
Jun 2021

We need to look forward to the imminent future that doesn't include Murdoch. The same can be said for Charles Koch and several others. What have we learned from these struggles? How can we avoid the pitfalls of Murdochs and Kochs in the next 20-30-40 years?

GoodRaisin

(8,906 posts)
15. The one's who get their money.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:02 PM
Jun 2021

It will go on until the wealthy can no longer purchase politicians to do their bidding.

wnylib

(21,334 posts)
16. The Mercers will still be around.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:13 PM
Jun 2021

Look at the other wealthy individuals and families who backed the orange fascist.

Red Mountain

(1,727 posts)
5. Fight them until the end
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 08:09 PM
Jun 2021

and them use them as a way to get people to vote.

Getting the vote out is more powerful than any of these schemes to suppress voting.

ananda

(28,834 posts)
20. Voter nullification means that other entities..
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 04:17 PM
Jun 2021

can decide the outcome if they don't like the outcome
from the actual voters.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
8. The access laws scare the crap out of me too ... that's crazy, we're already low on democracy index
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 08:50 PM
Jun 2021

wnylib

(21,334 posts)
17. Yeah, he's the guy who made the
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:30 PM
Jun 2021

Bush family wealthy when they managed his finances through Union Banking. Prescott Bush, Herbert Walker, and the Harriman brothers (who served later in the Eisenhower administration) continued their financial management of the Thyssen business and personal finances after the US entry into WWII until the Feds shut down that part of their business. After the war, they cashed in their share of the Thyssen fortune.

Thyssen's coal and steel businesses helped arm fascist Germany. Thyssen's money helped finance the Nazi party anf Hitler's rise to power.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,415 posts)
9. One correction
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jun 2021

"Republicans and the oligarchs aligned with them are trying to pull it off here in the United States."

They're not trying to pull it off, they're very nearly finished pulling it off.

KS Toronado

(17,145 posts)
13. Yep, they almost pulled it off Jan 6th.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 01:12 PM
Jun 2021

And if they had, we'd probably be saying Heil tRUMP with a raised arm.

mwooldri

(10,299 posts)
10. Early 1930s Germany.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 12:25 PM
Jun 2021

Adolf Hitler took part in elections and eventually became the largest party. Then the brownshirts intimidated the opposition to stay away, not vote, and the opposition that was elected was forced not to show up to government. Thus Hitler got a majority that way, and his loyal followers enabled him, culminating in the Enabling Act.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,559 posts)
18. If Americans from coast to coast aren't outraged and up in arms...
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:37 PM
Jun 2021

...about these extreme anti-democratic manoeuvres, and looking for ways to defeat them, what is it going to take?

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
19. Germany was a very homogeneous country.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 02:43 PM
Jun 2021

It was easier for the Nazis to marginalize much smaller minority groups.

The United States is very heterogeneous, multiethnic country. The result at any attempt of white minority rule in the United States will be very similar to the breakup of the Yugoslav republic.

Also, not all white people will go along with their fascism. They didn’t in South Africa, and they won’t here.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
21. For the record; James Murdoch spent $ 100 million last year supporting Biden and Democratic campaign
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 06:09 PM
Jun 2021

Interesting to see how this family dynamic plays out.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
22. But haven't oligarchs and the wealthy always played both sides?
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 06:31 PM
Jun 2021

They support one side but invest just enough in the other side appear reasonable.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
23. James Murdoch and his wife are all in and he left Fox News Corp.
Fri Jun 11, 2021, 11:31 PM
Jun 2021

Most "oligarchs", like Koch brothers, don't play both sides.
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