I agree- ID cards to vote is needed

[packman]

[usaf-vet]

1. I think that would be a great idea.

The GQP only wants to use ID cards where it suits them.

In Wisconsin, the state government-issued license to carry a gun does not include a picture, and cannot be used as an ID to vote.

[patphil]

2. Just an interesting comment on the vaccine card shown.

The person was among the first to be vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine. The date on the card for the first shot looks like 12/26/20, and the second shot appears to be 1/21/21.

[SmartVoter22]

3. A photo ID should be expanded to vote

A state issued photo ID should be the standard to cast a ballot in person, but because the ID is a singular serially-numbered document, it should also allow to voting online. Using the same security encryption and validation that any bank/credit card uses for online activity can assure and validate a vote.

Allowing people to vote digitally, say at home... would increase voter participation for it's ease. The very, very low risk of fraud would certainly be caught upon the initial attempt to register to vote online, as each individual document is just that. Individual.
One failure of an attempt to validate voting could have a simple protection. Any mistakes, errors, etc, on the first attempt and the system could require the voter to vote only in person, at the clerk's offices for early voting, or at the polls on election day. Forcing voters to be extra careful is not an infringment of any right, but rather, a notice that what they are doing is extremely serious and no errors will be tolerated.
You should also be required to register the internet access resource you are chosing for voting... your internet provider at your residence only. A smartphone could also be used, as these always use the best security methods.

We need to trust our electronic security measures, our banking system use and apply it to voting, or in fact, just about any interactions we have with our governments; paying property taxes, renewing licenses for driving, hunting, fishing, insurance renewals, etc.

Entrenching digital security into voting is a sound, proven and reliable method to assure even the most crazy conspiracy nuts that it is safe.

[reACTIONary]

8. Allowing people to vote digitally, say at home...

Allowing people to vote digitally, say at home... would increase voter participation for it's ease.

Agree, 100% You should make this an OP. I'll K&R it!

It would be interesting to see what others on DU think. We have a lot of suspicion about voting automation as it is.

I think this is the way to go.

[questionseverything]

20. The guy that pays the best hacker will always win

Mail voting is very convenient and has a physical copy to be checked

A person (in Illinois)can register by puter, ask for a mail in ballot by puter and then mail their ballot, super convenient

[reACTIONary]

21. Same here in MD...

... And given that there is a lot of suspicion about current electronic voting systems, this would be a hard sell. But I think it should be an option in the future.

In Estonia internet voting is a reality with substantial participation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Estonia

[questionseverything]

23. Regular citizens can't oversee any part of the process with internet voting

It’s not a possibility in a democracy

[reACTIONary]

30. Estonia IS a democracy...

... Did you think otherwise?

Anything that is the will of the people is possible in a democracy.

However, the barriers to this in OUR democracy are high. So I'm not holding my breath.

I, however, in my humble opinion, think it's a good idea. One feature that I like is that you can vote early and still have the option to change your vote right up to the deadline.

I think this would be especially good for our primaries. You could set a national dead line and let people in the early primaries change their votes based on what happens in the later primaries. It might make the later voters more empowered.

[questionseverything]

31. Hand counted paper ballots are the only way ordinary citizens can oversee elections and make sure

The count is accurate

Internet voting is the least secure method possible

[reACTIONary]

32. I think you have a good point and...

... are in line with what is probably the consensus view. Or would be if there was even a proposal on the table.

Maybe someday....

[oldsoftie]

12. But a lot of people here will disagree with you.

Providing all kinds of excuses for people NOT having an ID, even though pretty much everything serious; banking, hospitals, SS, medicare, medicaid; require one.
And I'd bet that someone from the local Democratic party would be happy to assist anyone without an ID to get one. Which is perfectly legal!

This is where GA screwed up. They should've just passed the ID law similar to what you've stated instead of adding all the "voter base pleasing" bullshit

[csziggy]

17. The one point I have against current ID laws is the cost of the documents to get IDs

To get a Real ID - which is now the standard for the country - you have to provide a certified copy of your birth certificate, marriage certificate(s), divorce papers (if you have been divorced, death certificate of a deceased spouse, and so forth. Each of those documents cost money to obtain - and for some, may be impossible to obtain.

For instance, in the rural South many people were not issued birth certificates routinely so they cannot get one. This especially is true of blacks born in the South before 1960.

Women who changed their names upon marriage have to provide the additional certified documents above, for each name change. So a woman who was married (or widowed) more than once could have to proved a number of those documents.

Each certified copy costs money and time to obtain. Depending on the jurisdiction, it could add up to a significant amount.

Then there is the problem that my husband ran into since all the bills are in my name - you have to provide proof of residence. Because we are both listed on our vehicle title, he was able to use that as proof of residence. The utilities and home are solely in my name so those could not be used. I imagine many women are in that position and could have problems proving residence by those means.

These are some of the reasons that Real ID has taken fifteen plus years to implement. For people living on less than $1000 a month, the cost of obtaining the documents to get a Real ID is prohibitive, and for the reasons above, for some it is impossible.

That is only part of the reason that there is resistance to requiring ID to vote - aside from the fact that it is a right to vote in this country that should not be abridged by this kind of regulation.

If a photo ID is required to vote, then Voter Registration cards should have our pictures on them.

ETA - Oh, and the ID costs money too, in many states. In Florida an ID - not a driver's license - costs $25 to get and every time it is renewed every eight years.

[ShazzieB]

22. You are so right about the cost of documents.

It varies greatly by state, and the cost can be a lot higher if you can't go to the courthouse (or whatever) in person.

My sister needed a copy of her birth certificate, and I went on line to get her one. We live in Illinois, and she was born in California. So getting it in person was not an option. I can't remember the details, but I had to pay extra for doing it online. I think the total was at least $60 counting the fees for the website I had to use.

When I needed a certified copy of our marriage certificate, I was able to drive to the county where we got married and get one for $10, but the round trip plus time at the courthouse took about half a day. I'm retired, so I have plenty of free time, but for some people, taking that much time off work would be a hardship. Not to mention, not everyone has a car or ready access to one. Or can afford the extra gas to make such a trip.

Things like this can be MAJOR obstacles for some people. Even for me, someone who was able to manage them, they were a significant pita.

[csziggy]

24. Yes, it can be a pain

I didn't change my name when I got married so I don't have to produce anything but my birth certificate for that part. When I got my Real ID Driver's License I couldn't find my birth certificate. I was lucky that my Mom still lived in my home town so my sister drove her to the courthouse and they got me three copies at $10 each. Of course, right after those arrived, I found my original birth certificate and the copy of the certificate from the hospital with my baby foot prints. I took all of those to the DMV office but they were only interested in the newest one.

What I did not expect was that the idiot clerk didn't want to recognize my Social Security card as valid. It's the only one I've ever had, issued back in the 1950s when my parents got each of our Social Security cards. I still have the form this old card was torn off with the second copy still attached. But the very young clerk had never seen one like it. After ten or more minutes of arguing with her, an older clerk came over and showed the young clerk a page pasted up on the wall of her cubical with ever type of valid SS card. Mine was like the first or second sample. She never apologized, just finished the paperwork.

I was glad I had time to deal with it - if I had to get back to work after the half hour wait and then the extended discussion over my SS card, I would have been pissed.

[berniesandersmittens]

18. I agree

If it's safe to bank and see your doctor online, it should be as safe to vote online.

Fill out the info, a prompt for any unfilled spaces, and a voter registration number.

I also agree with photo ID.

[questionseverything]

19. Less than a week ago the entire East Coast was down because of a hack

So I don’t understand how anyone would suggest online voting or vote counting could possibly be safe?

Vote by mail is nearly as convenient and a hundred times safer

[oldsoftie]

28. I agree about the online voting. I missed that part.

We REALLY think 50 states can be trusted to secure an electronic vote when they have so much trouble doing so with MUCH smaller systems?

[dlk]

4. ID cards should be provided free, like Social Security cards

Lack of resources for obtaining ID is a roadblock for many.

[Ligyron]

5. It will be easier to get everybody ID cards then change the law

We need some kind of full scale effort to do so.

[Hoyt]

7. Most states, even the red/rube states, provide free voter ID cards now.

Admittedly, getting that ID is still a hassle for some people. But it's also something that local Democratic organizations can help one get.

I do love the idea of proposing one has to use their CV19 vaccination card.

[oldsoftie]

10. GA provides both a state ID & voter ID for free.

My mom got one when she quit driving.

[Joinfortmill]

6. 👍

[BobTheSubgenius]

9. I love the concept.

I fear it's impractical, though, unless there is some way to include people who cannot be vaccinated for whatever (legitimate) reason.


Speaking of vaccinations...my wife and I finally have our second scheduled. Very chuffed about that.

[oldsoftie]

13. Good luck! I had no issues;

my mom, in her 90s, had one day of not feeling well. The next day it was like nothing ever happened. Same with my wife when she got hers.
But I had nothing negative. My mom & I got Moderna, wife Pfizer

[BobTheSubgenius]

16. Thank you!

That's the kind of positivity we need! We both got Pfizer the first time, and expect to have it again.

As I said....very chuffed about getting this behind us.

[Rhiannon12866]

27. I got the Moderna and felt pretty rotten the next day, but most people I know got Pfizer

And the only one I know who had a reaction was my friend who couldn't stay awake afterwards, that was it. And that was only after shot #2. I was so grateful to finally get my vaccination, too. Good luck and good for you!

[BobTheSubgenius]

29. My thanks for your welcome good wishes!

I'm sorry you had a bit of a rough go, but it's still worth it by a factor of thousands, isn't it? My middle step-daughter told us that she was in bed for 3 days after her second. She has a VERY bad time with allergies, but I don't know if that's a factor or not. I've never heard that, at least.

[Rhiannon12866]

33. Hope it went well and that you're not suffering any ill effects.

I got mine at CVS, had to drive a bit to the first place I could get an appointment, but they were friendly and super efficient. Counting the extra 15 minutes I had to wait afterwards, I was in and out in about 20 minutes. I took my brother to the nearby state-run site and that took a little longer, figures there would be a bit more red tape, LOL, but he wasn't disturbed and they were efficient and friendly, too. And he got a "I'm vaccinated" sticker and when I said I hadn't gotten one, they gave me one, too!

As for allergies, both my brother and I have them. It's pollen season here and I've been sneezing all week. But that wasn't affected by getting vaccinated. And my brother got the Pfizer, so he had no after effects at all, hope that things went as well for you.

[BobTheSubgenius]

35. I've just had the first, so far, but the second is scheduled, and soon!

I don't expect a bad reaction, but I think that's just the habit of having things work out for me. I've been told i lead a charmed life, and I can't disagree. Still, I'm SOOOO looking forward to having this behind us.

[Rhiannon12866]

36. I believe the second Pfizer shot is 3 weeks and Moderna is a month

If you got the Pfizer, most of the reactions I've heard about is only a slightly sore arm, no big surprise. And even the reaction I had after Moderna shot #2 was no big deal compared with the relief I had after having finally gotten it! And then I persuaded my reluctant brother to get it - he got the Pfizer - and I considered that even more of a victory since he doesn't want to go anywhere. Good for you!

[BobTheSubgenius]

37. Thank you.

But I don't consider self-preservation and not wanting to contribute to a pandemic all that noble and self-sacrificing. Good to hear that it went so well, though...AND talking a reluctant one down off the ledge is also great! I don't definitely know any anti-vaxxers personally, although there is a loon I know that probably is. She believes major earthquakes are caused by certain planetary alignments.

[DinahMoeHum]

11. Oh. . . .Snap!

[iluvtennis]

14. Love it, love it, love it!!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. We need vaccine passports and to exclude/shun assholes who refuse to be vaccinated

[Patterson]

25. Internet voting is a terrible idea.

[marie999]

26. We live in Eastern North Carolina,

I spelled it out because in another place someone did not, some people probably do not like contractions, like abbreviations, they do not even ask for identification. Did I use too many commas? Smiley face.

[UCmeNdc]

34. I think the Democratic Party should insist on ID Cards for voting

1. Then Demand that the ID cards should be issued for free automatically when every voter registers to vote.
2 Once this voter ID is presented no one can challenge that voter's right to vote. period. After all that is why the GOP insisted on voter ID.