i have a suspicion that this murder yesterday is why cdc backed off masks.

[mopinko]

it became very clear very quickly that if we were going to mandate masks, someone had to enforce that.
making retail workers and rent-a-cops do it was going to get people killed.

i was SOOOOO disturbed to find out how many people didnt care if i died. not strangers. neighbors i had known for 20 yrs.
you can make people give a shit, and clearly way too many didnt.

[Scrivener7]

1. And yet the CDC knows that the Delta mutation is killing lots of

vaccinated people with comorbidities. And it will be here and rip through our population in a week or two.

Another ball dropped.

[Phoenix61]

3. Five percent of deaths due to Delta are vaccinated people.

I wouldn’t call that “lots of people.”

[Scrivener7]

10. I'm seeing 30%.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nearly-30-those-dying-delta-20812363

Though as another poster said, that includes Astra Zeneca and Pfizer.

[mopinko]

4. i dont think they dropped it. i think it got knocked out of their hands.

what are we supposed to do? call in the national guard?

[NutmegYankee]

9. That data is based on the AstraZeneca vaccine, which wasn't as effective to begin with.

The mRNA vaccines after two doses are working well.

[MineralMan]

2. I doubt that was the CDC's reason.

[Karma13612]

5. If you are talking about the cashier in Georgia?

I agree.

I commented a few minutes ago in another DU discussion on the Georgia murder.

It’s obvious that it’s time to relieve store cashiers from trying to enforce a mask mandate. The CDC has said it’s safe for vaccinated individuals. Period. Why are stores still heavily enforcing a mask mandate?

Remember the heartbreaking stories years ago when cashiers were under pressure to fight the robbers and not hand over the cash? I recall so many shootings. Well this is the new fight.

Don’t bother. Remind the customer of the mandate. But why do we have mandates in stores now? New York has been a very restrictive state since the beginning, but we are all on the honor system now, in NY. If you are vaccinated, you can go without a mask. Period. There is a sign in the window stating that fact.

Even a good guy (security guard) with a gun couldn’t stop a bad guy (idiot maskhole) with a gun.

[mopinko]

6. yes. and it is the guns.

that's the deal. one side in this fight is armed and dangerous.

[TheBlackAdder]

7. Yeah, and I caught a maskless fundie down the street who did not get vaccine. He said, "Who'd know?"

.

30% or more of the people just don't give a shit about others.

The MAGAts were flocking to the stores when NJ lifted the mask mandate, and they were getting in masked people grills, almost like they were hoping for a confrontation. I do not trust anyone, because you just don't know. These fundie people were holding numerous group gatherings and parties at their home, both adults and kids, and no one was wearing a mask this year and last.

.

[gratuitous]

13. And this is what gets me

Some people (and you can guess who with high certainty of being right) are wondering why we can't just go on the honor system when it comes to vaccination status and mask wearing. A significant portion of our population can't be trusted - they've shown the rest of us quite clearly that they will behave recklessly without regard to anyone else.

[LisaL]

8. Murder happened after cdc backed off masks.

So how exactly would that work? Seems like the other way around, killer got pissed because cdc backed off masks, yet store was still requiring them.

[mopinko]

17. it's been like this from day 1.

and i'm sure the policy people are sick of it.
once we had the vax, and people could protect themselves, i think they saw they wouldnt be able to keep fighting it.

[yaesu]

11. and people actually thought that vaccine passports would work in a country that can't even enforce

mask wearing.

[BannonsLiver]

12. Uh, no.

[RegularJam]

14. The mask regulations are and have been based in science.

Everyone is pro-science when the science matches their personal wishes and then full blown conspiracy theorist when it doesn’t.

The mask change made perfect sense considering the information we have.

[Traildogbob]

15. A fix, cruel but effective

ALL insurance companies must deny coverage for untaxed people. $50,000 plus hospital bills have a way of getting attention. If you have no insurance and still will not get a free life saving Vax, go home when Covid calls. You have freedom to choose, no freedom to kill others for your ignorance. In time, Darwin will make us great again.

[IronLionZion]

16. That may be part of it

also an incentive for people to get vaccinated.

Local governments everywhere decided to lift capacity restrictions and mask mandates soon after the CDC decision.

Individual businesses still vary widely on mask enforcement. I've seen some that are very strict and others that don't care at all. Some of my local restaurants are 100% open and others are still takeout only and plenty that are a combination. Most businesses here still require their employees to wear masks even if they don't require customers to.