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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPence: Idea of overturning election results is 'un-American'
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Now there are those in our party who believe that, in my position as presiding officer over the joint session, that I possessed the authority to reject or return electoral votes certified by the states, he said. But the Constitution provides the vice president with no such authority before the joint session of Congress
And the truth is, he continued, theres almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president. The presidency belongs to the American people and the American people alone.
[link:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pence-idea-of-overturning-election-results-is-unamerican-mike-pence-donald-trump-american-joe-biden-congress-b1872531.html|]
Emphasis mine
And in the immediate future, as sure as night follows day...
Mike Pence is about to get cancelled ala Cheney
Trump will issue a rant
Tucker will call for extreme measures
All of the 2024 wannabees will move further to the right in their outrage...
And for everyone else - far too little far too late... after supporting the systematic dismantling of democrat norms for four years, get the hell outta here.
malaise
(268,851 posts)after DeathSentence beat him in the poll - fuck off loser
underpants
(182,733 posts)I just thought of that. First cup of coffee too. Its all upside from here.
malaise
(268,851 posts)I see what you did there.
I'm on my second cup
malaise
(268,851 posts)I see what you did there.
I'm on my second cup
niyad
(113,213 posts)lame54
(35,279 posts)RevBrotherThomas
(838 posts)I see what you did there. Mother is not pleased...
Ilsa
(61,691 posts)Paladin
(28,246 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)Pence has nothing to lose at this point. Why not throw a bowl of spaghetti at the political wall - and see if it sticks?
Whatever.
I don't see Hang Mike Pence! as a favourable sign.
kentuck
(111,074 posts)...and he didn't want to be associated with a "loser". So he thinks this is the time to cut him loose? The base will never accept him.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)his words strike me as exceptionally weaselly, even for him--pukes aren't trying to pick presidents based on one person overturning an election, but rather an entire infrastructure of crooked election officials, judges, and legislators who would install loser puke candidates.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)Patriots don't want him and traitors won't have him....
Lovie777
(12,226 posts)Anti-shithole (maybe) brigade.
bucolic_frolic
(43,116 posts)Is that OO? Pence OO?
Said with all the conviction of an undertaker masquerading as a doctor
smb
(3,471 posts)His name is mud among sane people, and his name is mud among MAGAtroids. He's through.
-misanthroptimist
(807 posts)But he certainly seems to have found one area where we agree. Given the pressure he was (and is) under, I'm forced to respect his fidelity to his understanding of the Constitution.
EndlessWire
(6,482 posts)He stood behind Trump and gazed adoringly at him as Trump trashed the Constitution and attempted to posture himself as a Dictator. Plus, he's still buddies with a guy who would have gladly seen him hung during the Insurrection attempt. I don't respect that. But, Party Over Country. At least he is consistent.
twodogsbarking
(9,722 posts)finds a nut sometimes.
Ilsa
(61,691 posts)his remarks and blaming them on Satan. (Actual Satan, not Gov. Ron DeSatan.)
ProfessorGAC
(64,968 posts)For quoting exactly what he said!
Freddie
(9,258 posts)That an elected official adhering to the mandates of the Constitution would be considered an extraordinary act of bravery. What would have happened if he had given in and done as ordered? He knew he was the only one who could save the country at that point and he did the right thing despite incredible pressure and death threats.
Of course he will get the Liz Cheney treatment. Perhaps he believes the party will snap out of it someday. I hope hes right. Its those Republicans that are working both sides of the fence (like my moderate Congressman, Brian Fitzpatrick) that are truly evil.
I thoroughly disagree with Pence on his political views, especially the misogyny, but I have to give him credit for having a spine when it mattered.
Marcuse
(7,471 posts)GB_RN
(2,347 posts)By the weekend, I'm sure. Some dumbass Oath Keeper, 3%er, Proud "Boy", or other loser. Yes, this IS snark, but only barely.
Evolve Dammit
(16,719 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,911 posts)Who doesnt know what hes saying but the deplorables?
Who is he talking to?
Just STFU already.
twodogsbarking
(9,722 posts)Just another Dr. Seuss book.
Botany
(70,483 posts)... because "the left" would use it to try to delegitimize the election results.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Jon King
(1,910 posts)Pence is purely transactional like most Repugs. He has 3 kids with nice lives based on his connections. These nice lives depend on a stable country. His kids make money under both Dems and Repugs.
So he calculated that if he did not certify the results there would be total chaos and riots and the country pretty much brought to its knees. Thus the cushy lives of his family would be disrupted.
No way a morally bankrupt snake like Pence did a thing because it was constitutional or the right thing to do. He and his wife calculated the pros and cons of both decisions and decided that certifying the election had more benefit to them and theirs than not certifying it.
If he could, he would welcome a dictatorship by Trump where he stood at his right hand...if he could also have a stable country to go along with it. He calculated that he could not have both.
StarryNite
(9,442 posts)jimfields33
(15,760 posts)Martin Eden
(12,862 posts)And it took him this long to smell something he didn't like.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)It's ok to give these people props when they dip into that 5%. It doesn't mean you endorse everything they believe in.
packman
(16,296 posts)Then it disappeared
Scrivener7
(50,934 posts)and checked to make sure I was still in my own body.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)You're a real intellectual heavyweight there, Mike.
toughtony
(88 posts)That pence told trump there was nothing that could be done. WHAT AMAZES ME IS HOW MANY ELECTED OFFICIALS WE HAVE IN OUR GOVERNMENT WHO DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS IN THE US CONSTITUTION. It's bad enough that we had thousands of racist crackheads storm the capital "FOR NOTHING", they're stupid, you expect as much from them, but if you're an elected official you should know better. Why did trump want pence to so something "he knew" was not going to help him.
NANCY PELOSI WAS RIGHT, "ALL ROADS LEAD TO PUTIN." TRUMP, THE FREEDOM CAUCUS, ARE ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS. And I believe that many of those rioters were also russian assets. This explains their loyalty to trump. trump has the goods on all of them. It can't just be racism or extremism, it has to be something deeper.
ProfessorGAC
(64,968 posts)Good post.
yellowcanine
(35,698 posts)He should have invoked the 25th amendment the day of the insurrection and ordered in the national guard as CIC.
Cosmo Blues
(2,476 posts)What Pence has done while governing, let the canceling begin
Bucky
(53,986 posts)Just to see if it fits. No commitment
Javaman
(62,510 posts)fuck off, you opportunist pile of worthless garbage. go back to your radio job and your sychaphants.
Midnight Writer
(21,737 posts)It is Pence's Party of choice that has abandoned democratic principles.
Whose Party nomination does he think he is running for.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,061 posts)COL Mustard
(5,890 posts)But on this one, hes right and he deserves credit for the stance he took.
Dan
(3,542 posts)Talk about your virginity.
bucolic_frolic
(43,116 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,623 posts)Or more likely Margaret Taylor Greene, but it doesn't fit a bumper sticker
Warpy
(111,226 posts)Given the small size of the crowd and how many left in the middle of Dumdum's whinefest last night. I'd have to say people are getting pretty sick of the posturing and the Big Lie, whether or not the believe the Big Lie. The shtik has just gotten stale and they need some novelty.
I don't know if they can come up with another slick snake oil salesman by 2024, it might be too soon. However, if they hang together at all as a racketeering organization in political party drag, you can bet one will be along, capped teeth and stage prsence.