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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:00 AM Jun 2021

Pence: Idea of overturning election results is 'un-American'

Former Vice President Mike Pence on Thursday defended his role in certifying the results of the 2020 election, saying he was “proud” of what he did on Jan. 6 and declaring that there is “almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president.”
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“Now there are those in our party who believe that, in my position as presiding officer over the joint session, that I possessed the authority to reject or return electoral votes certified by the states,” he said. “But the Constitution provides the vice president with no such authority before the joint session of Congress

“And the truth is,” he continued, “there’s almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president. The presidency belongs to the American people and the American people alone.”

[link:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pence-idea-of-overturning-election-results-is-unamerican-mike-pence-donald-trump-american-joe-biden-congress-b1872531.html|]
Emphasis mine

And in the immediate future, as sure as night follows day...

Mike Pence is about to get cancelled ala Cheney
Trump will issue a rant
Tucker will call for extreme measures
All of the 2024 wannabees will move further to the right in their outrage...

And for everyone else - far too little far too late... after supporting the systematic dismantling of democrat norms for four years, get the hell outta here.

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Pence: Idea of overturning election results is 'un-American' (Original Post) Soph0571 Jun 2021 OP
Mother must have told him to jump ship malaise Jun 2021 #1
BREAKING NOOSE! underpants Jun 2021 #2
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah - most excellent! malaise Jun 2021 #4
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah - most excellent! malaise Jun 2021 #5
you nearly owed me a keyboard. niyad Jun 2021 #16
Way to hang in there, Mike lame54 Jun 2021 #24
Oh my! RevBrotherThomas Jun 2021 #31
Oh! underpants Jun 2021 #49
LOL. I bet you have a great weekend ahead! nt Ilsa Jun 2021 #25
Bravissimo! (nt) Paladin Jun 2021 #26
+1 n/t Hugin Jun 2021 #30
It's a trial balloon. NanceGreggs Jun 2021 #3
He probably saw the poll where DeSantis defeated Trump... kentuck Jun 2021 #6
Yeah, and not fooled Jun 2021 #33
One Almost Feels Sorry For The Man, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2021 #7
See-saw . ... Lovie777 Jun 2021 #8
Pence gets highest marks for Opportunism by Osmosis but far too little too late bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #9
What Is He Hoping To Accomplish At This Point? smb Jun 2021 #11
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2021 #20
I intensely disagree with Pence on almost everything. -misanthroptimist Jun 2021 #10
I'm not forced to respect anything about the guy. EndlessWire Jun 2021 #12
Even the blind squirrel twodogsbarking Jun 2021 #18
By Saturday night, ex-VP Milquetoast will be apologizing for Ilsa Jun 2021 #27
He'll Blame The Media ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #39
Who would have thought Freddie Jun 2021 #13
Pence is like the father who brags that he takes care of his kids. He is SUPPOSED to do his duty. Marcuse Jun 2021 #23
There Will Be A MAGAt Contract Out On Him GB_RN Jun 2021 #43
Is he as troubled and concerned as Susan Collins though?? They were going to HANG you, dumbass Evolve Dammit Jun 2021 #14
Who is he Talking To? Roy Rolling Jun 2021 #15
Pence on a fence. twodogsbarking Jun 2021 #17
Pence was well aware of the Russian "rat fucking" of our election in 2016 and dismissed it ... Botany Jun 2021 #19
He's pathetic loser. Politicub Jun 2021 #21
He did the right thing only after calculating its effect on him and his family... Jon King Jun 2021 #22
Spot on! StarryNite Jun 2021 #32
One of the kids is in the military so not sure he's making much. jimfields33 Jun 2021 #36
Mike Pence had his head way up inside Trump's ass since in 2016 Martin Eden Jun 2021 #28
He's a terrible human being 95% of the time, as is Liz Cheney Tarc Jun 2021 #29
Had a fleeting moment of respect for Mike packman Jun 2021 #34
I thought, "He said that? He's right!" And then I became very frightened Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #45
And it only took a little over five months to stumble across this concept gratuitous Jun 2021 #35
You Didn't Have to Be There To Know... toughtony Jun 2021 #37
Welcome To DU, Tony! ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #40
Too little way the effin too late. yellowcanine Jun 2021 #38
Words are not going to negate Cosmo Blues Jun 2021 #41
"Let's try having a spine for a while" Bucky Jun 2021 #42
the sentient houseplant who also lacks a spine now suddenly feels it's okay to say something. Javaman Jun 2021 #44
Overturning election results is indeed un-American, but it is also mainstream Republican. Midnight Writer Jun 2021 #46
Pence is breaking with TFG LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #47
I Would Disagree With Him On Almost Every Issue COL Mustard Jun 2021 #48
After 4+ years of screwing America, it is too late to Dan Jun 2021 #50
Un-American equals Russian bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #51
Looks like it'll be Trump / Gohmert 2024 JohnnyRingo Jun 2021 #52
Too bad his garbage party isn't listening Warpy Jun 2021 #53

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
3. It's a trial balloon.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:10 AM
Jun 2021

Pence has nothing to lose at this point. Why not throw a bowl of spaghetti at the political wall - and see if it sticks?

Whatever.

I don't see Hang Mike Pence! as a favourable sign.

kentuck

(111,074 posts)
6. He probably saw the poll where DeSantis defeated Trump...
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:14 AM
Jun 2021

...and he didn't want to be associated with a "loser". So he thinks this is the time to cut him loose? The base will never accept him.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
33. Yeah, and
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:53 AM
Jun 2021

his words strike me as exceptionally weaselly, even for him--pukes aren't trying to pick presidents based on one person overturning an election, but rather an entire infrastructure of crooked election officials, judges, and legislators who would install loser puke candidates.

bucolic_frolic

(43,116 posts)
9. Pence gets highest marks for Opportunism by Osmosis but far too little too late
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:40 AM
Jun 2021

Is that OO? Pence OO?

Said with all the conviction of an undertaker masquerading as a doctor

smb

(3,471 posts)
11. What Is He Hoping To Accomplish At This Point?
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:48 AM
Jun 2021

His name is mud among sane people, and his name is mud among MAGAtroids. He's through.

-misanthroptimist

(807 posts)
10. I intensely disagree with Pence on almost everything.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:41 AM
Jun 2021

But he certainly seems to have found one area where we agree. Given the pressure he was (and is) under, I'm forced to respect his fidelity to his understanding of the Constitution.

EndlessWire

(6,482 posts)
12. I'm not forced to respect anything about the guy.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 08:02 AM
Jun 2021

He stood behind Trump and gazed adoringly at him as Trump trashed the Constitution and attempted to posture himself as a Dictator. Plus, he's still buddies with a guy who would have gladly seen him hung during the Insurrection attempt. I don't respect that. But, Party Over Country. At least he is consistent.

Ilsa

(61,691 posts)
27. By Saturday night, ex-VP Milquetoast will be apologizing for
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:26 AM
Jun 2021

his remarks and blaming them on Satan. (Actual Satan, not Gov. Ron DeSatan.)

Freddie

(9,258 posts)
13. Who would have thought
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 08:12 AM
Jun 2021

That an elected official adhering to the mandates of the Constitution would be considered an extraordinary act of bravery. What would have happened if he had given in and done as ordered? He knew he was the only one who could save the country at that point and he did the right thing despite incredible pressure and death threats.
Of course he will get the Liz Cheney treatment. Perhaps he believes the party will snap out of it someday. I hope he’s right. It’s those Republicans that are working both sides of the fence (like my “moderate” Congressman, Brian Fitzpatrick) that are truly evil.
I thoroughly disagree with Pence on his political views, especially the misogyny, but I have to give him credit for having a spine when it mattered.

Marcuse

(7,471 posts)
23. Pence is like the father who brags that he takes care of his kids. He is SUPPOSED to do his duty.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:21 AM
Jun 2021

GB_RN

(2,347 posts)
43. There Will Be A MAGAt Contract Out On Him
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 12:07 PM
Jun 2021

By the weekend, I'm sure. Some dumbass Oath Keeper, 3%er, Proud "Boy", or other loser. Yes, this IS snark, but only barely.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
15. Who is he Talking To?
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 08:17 AM
Jun 2021

Who doesn’t know what he’s saying but the deplorables?

Who is he talking to?

Just STFU already.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
19. Pence was well aware of the Russian "rat fucking" of our election in 2016 and dismissed it ...
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:01 AM
Jun 2021

... because "the left" would use it to try to delegitimize the election results.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
22. He did the right thing only after calculating its effect on him and his family...
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:15 AM
Jun 2021

Pence is purely transactional like most Repugs. He has 3 kids with nice lives based on his connections. These nice lives depend on a stable country. His kids make money under both Dems and Repugs.

So he calculated that if he did not certify the results there would be total chaos and riots and the country pretty much brought to its knees. Thus the cushy lives of his family would be disrupted.

No way a morally bankrupt snake like Pence did a thing because it was constitutional or the right thing to do. He and his wife calculated the pros and cons of both decisions and decided that certifying the election had more benefit to them and theirs than not certifying it.

If he could, he would welcome a dictatorship by Trump where he stood at his right hand...if he could also have a stable country to go along with it. He calculated that he could not have both.

Martin Eden

(12,862 posts)
28. Mike Pence had his head way up inside Trump's ass since in 2016
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:36 AM
Jun 2021

And it took him this long to smell something he didn't like.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
29. He's a terrible human being 95% of the time, as is Liz Cheney
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:38 AM
Jun 2021

It's ok to give these people props when they dip into that 5%. It doesn't mean you endorse everything they believe in.

Scrivener7

(50,934 posts)
45. I thought, "He said that? He's right!" And then I became very frightened
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 02:56 PM
Jun 2021

and checked to make sure I was still in my own body.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
35. And it only took a little over five months to stumble across this concept
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:55 AM
Jun 2021

You're a real intellectual heavyweight there, Mike.

toughtony

(88 posts)
37. You Didn't Have to Be There To Know...
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jun 2021

That pence told trump there was nothing that could be done. WHAT AMAZES ME IS HOW MANY ELECTED OFFICIALS WE HAVE IN OUR GOVERNMENT WHO DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS IN THE US CONSTITUTION. It's bad enough that we had thousands of racist crackheads storm the capital "FOR NOTHING", they're stupid, you expect as much from them, but if you're an elected official you should know better. Why did trump want pence to so something "he knew" was not going to help him.

NANCY PELOSI WAS RIGHT, "ALL ROADS LEAD TO PUTIN." TRUMP, THE FREEDOM CAUCUS, ARE ALL RUSSIAN ASSETS. And I believe that many of those rioters were also russian assets. This explains their loyalty to trump. trump has the goods on all of them. It can't just be racism or extremism, it has to be something deeper.

yellowcanine

(35,698 posts)
38. Too little way the effin too late.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:25 AM
Jun 2021

He should have invoked the 25th amendment the day of the insurrection and ordered in the national guard as CIC.

Javaman

(62,510 posts)
44. the sentient houseplant who also lacks a spine now suddenly feels it's okay to say something.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 12:38 PM
Jun 2021

fuck off, you opportunist pile of worthless garbage. go back to your radio job and your sychaphants.

Midnight Writer

(21,737 posts)
46. Overturning election results is indeed un-American, but it is also mainstream Republican.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:29 PM
Jun 2021

It is Pence's Party of choice that has abandoned democratic principles.

Whose Party nomination does he think he is running for.

COL Mustard

(5,890 posts)
48. I Would Disagree With Him On Almost Every Issue
Sat Jun 26, 2021, 05:37 AM
Jun 2021

But on this one, he’s right and he deserves credit for the stance he took.

JohnnyRingo

(18,623 posts)
52. Looks like it'll be Trump / Gohmert 2024
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 10:44 AM
Jun 2021

Or more likely Margaret Taylor Greene, but it doesn't fit a bumper sticker

Warpy

(111,226 posts)
53. Too bad his garbage party isn't listening
Sun Jun 27, 2021, 05:10 PM
Jun 2021

Given the small size of the crowd and how many left in the middle of Dumdum's whinefest last night. I'd have to say people are getting pretty sick of the posturing and the Big Lie, whether or not the believe the Big Lie. The shtik has just gotten stale and they need some novelty.

I don't know if they can come up with another slick snake oil salesman by 2024, it might be too soon. However, if they hang together at all as a racketeering organization in political party drag, you can bet one will be along, capped teeth and stage prsence.

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