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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:00 AM Jun 2021

Woman Missing in Miami Beach Condo Disaster Had Been Woken by 'Creaking' Building, Says Son

https://www.thedailybeast.com/miami-beach-condo-disaster-missing-woman-had-been-woken-by-creaking-noises?ref=home


Woman Missing in Miami Beach Condo Disaster Had Been Woken by ‘Creaking’ Building, Says Son
‘TROUGHS OF DISBELIEF’
Philippe Naughton
Updated Jun. 25, 2021 4:27AM ET /
Published Jun. 25, 2021 3:42AM ET


A woman missing after the Surfside apartment block collapse had been woken up by “creaking noises” the previous night, according to her son. Pablo Rodriguez, whose mother and grandmother are both unaccounted for after Thursday’s disaster, said his mother had called him on Wednesday. “She just told me she had woken up around 3, 4 in the morning and had heard like some creaking noises,” Rodriguez told CNN. “They were loud enough to wake her.” He said it seemed like an offhand comment, but added: “Now, in hindsight, you always wonder.” At least 99 people are missing after the collapse of the Champlain Towers complex, which had been experiencing structural “issues” for years. Asked how he was handling his emotions, Rodriguez said: “It’s waves of devastation with troughs of disbelief... This doesn’t happen. Buildings don’t just collapse. It’s not real.”
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Woman Missing in Miami Beach Condo Disaster Had Been Woken by 'Creaking' Building, Says Son (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2021 OP
"structural "issues" for years" And they were ignored. Now look at the tragedy. Shameful. CurtEastPoint Jun 2021 #1
This may be the thing that starts a long look at construction... TreasonousBastard Jun 2021 #3
Millions in coke cash were laundered through Miami banks and Submariner Jun 2021 #7
With Republicans in charge down there temporary311 Jun 2021 #18
Surprising that this doesn't happen more frequently Klaralven Jun 2021 #2
Bizarrely, galvanized steel rebar has not yet been approved in building code. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #14
I used to commute past the Gerdau works in Perth Amboy, NJ Klaralven Jun 2021 #17
Yeah, generally it's already rusty by the time they pour it into the concrete. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #20
Building inspection reports should be enlightening bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #4
I wonder how many other buildings down there are in the same condition. Vinca Jun 2021 #5
"Buildings don't just collapse." area51 Jun 2021 #6
Yep DownriverDem Jun 2021 #9
Yup, This is why we need strong govt. It's not socialism or communism to support regulations which JI7 Jun 2021 #11
Consider DownriverDem Jun 2021 #8
Lots of that area is built on limestone... Jon King Jun 2021 #10
Specifically, karst. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #15
The lawsuits have started malaise Jun 2021 #12
And DeSantis can kiss his presidential aspirations goodbye question everything Jun 2021 #13
I wish. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #16
If Trump can still be popular with his base... Silent3 Jun 2021 #19

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. This may be the thing that starts a long look at construction...
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:31 AM
Jun 2021

practices down there.

Plenty of corruption in building everywhere, but the smart crooks know how to make sure they don't kill people.

Unless there's a good reason, of course.

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
7. Millions in coke cash were laundered through Miami banks and
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 08:57 AM
Jun 2021

turned into a condo building boom during the cocaine war days of the early 80s. This could be one of those coke “investments”.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
2. Surprising that this doesn't happen more frequently
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:26 AM
Jun 2021

Tall reinforced concrete building on the seashore with salt air and salt spray for 40 years.

They probably didn't use more concrete or reinforcing rod than they had to when it was built.

Since it's a condo, it has been maintained by a HOA that has been trying to keep the maintenance fees and assessments down.

If the buildings are not well sealed, salt water can get in the columns, corrode the steel, swell and break the concrete.

Usually these buildings collapse like this during earthquakes, but static failure is not unheard of, especially in places like Turkey where construction codes are lax.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Bizarrely, galvanized steel rebar has not yet been approved in building code.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:12 AM
Jun 2021

This is criminal, in my opinion. They allow shitty plastic-coated rebar, which actually accelerates corrosion, but galvanized rebar, which would last for many centuries, is not allowed.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
17. I used to commute past the Gerdau works in Perth Amboy, NJ
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:33 AM
Jun 2021

Basically a plant for melting scrap and turning it into reinforcing rod. Then the coils of reinforcing rod sat in the yard until they got really rusty before being shipped out.

It's now closed, and replaced by couple of distribution warehouses.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
20. Yeah, generally it's already rusty by the time they pour it into the concrete.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:45 AM
Jun 2021

Not good. As the corrosion continues, the rust expands and cracks the concrete apart.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
4. Building inspection reports should be enlightening
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:45 AM
Jun 2021

As long as they don't have to pay anything insurance inspectors will ignore settling issues.

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
5. I wonder how many other buildings down there are in the same condition.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:48 AM
Jun 2021

It will be interesting to learn what exactly happened to this place. That poor woman. How could she possibly imagine what was about to happen?

area51

(11,906 posts)
6. "Buildings don't just collapse."
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 08:54 AM
Jun 2021

They do in 3rd world countries, like banana republics which funnel most of their tax dollars to the military and view healthcare as a luxury item.

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
9. Yep
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:17 AM
Jun 2021

repubs have not wanted to fund infrastructure for decades. Come to Michigan. Thanks to repubs we have horrible roads and crumbling bridges. When will voters get that repubs let this happen?

JI7

(89,247 posts)
11. Yup, This is why we need strong govt. It's not socialism or communism to support regulations which
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:21 AM
Jun 2021

prevent these type of things from happening as much as possible .

It's why Japan is able to have high rises.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
10. Lots of that area is built on limestone...
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:19 AM
Jun 2021

Miami and the surrounding areas will have lots and lots of issues going forward with climate change.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. Specifically, karst.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:13 AM
Jun 2021

In other words, one has to wonder whether any sinkhole activity might be involved...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. I wish.
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:14 AM
Jun 2021

He'll find some way to exploit this. Maybe like GW Bush, standing on a pile of bodies with a megaphone.

Silent3

(15,204 posts)
19. If Trump can still be popular with his base...
Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jun 2021

...after his disastrous handling of COVID, this is less than a footnote in the ongoing DeSantis story.

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