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Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:00 PM

U.S. Has No Explanation for Unidentified Objects and Stops Short of Ruling Out Aliens

WASHINGTON The government still has no explanation for nearly all of the scores of unidentified aerial phenomena reported over almost two decades and investigated by a Pentagon task force, according to a report released on Friday, a result that is likely to fuel theories of otherworldly visitations.

A total of 143 reports gathered since 2004 remain unexplained, the document released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said. Of those, 21 reports of unknown phenomena, involving 18 episodes, possibly demonstrate technological capabilities that are unknown to the United States: objects moving without observable propulsion or with rapid acceleration that is believed to be beyond the capabilities of Russia, China or other terrestrial nations.

There was no affirmative evidence that the unexplained phenomena are alien spacecraft in the report. But because the government has offered no explanation for so many of the episodes, the new report is sure to fuel the enthusiasm of those who believe they could be.

Among the unexplained incidents are three high-profile videos of aerial phenomenon taken by the U.S. Navy and witnessed by pilots in recent years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-report.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210625&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta®i_id=72416910&segment_id=61818&user_id=20a86bb77f8705e060212c90659bdb01

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Reply U.S. Has No Explanation for Unidentified Objects and Stops Short of Ruling Out Aliens (Original post)
JoanofArgh Jun 2021 OP
NoSheep Jun 2021 #1
JoanofArgh Jun 2021 #4
womanofthehills Jun 2021 #44
PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #2
PoliticAverse Jun 2021 #3
Ocelot II Jun 2021 #9
-misanthroptimist Jun 2021 #5
JoanofArgh Jun 2021 #7
Eko Jun 2021 #6
Quixote1818 Jun 2021 #30
AllaN01Bear Jun 2021 #8
frogmarch Jun 2021 #10
PSPS Jun 2021 #32
Silent3 Jun 2021 #38
elevator Jun 2021 #11
Disaffected Jun 2021 #15
elevator Jun 2021 #21
Disaffected Jun 2021 #33
elevator Jun 2021 #47
PSPS Jun 2021 #19
elevator Jun 2021 #23
Politicub Jun 2021 #28
elevator Jun 2021 #46
PSPS Jun 2021 #31
elevator Jun 2021 #48
triron Jun 2021 #35
Shermann Jun 2021 #12
Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #14
Disaffected Jun 2021 #16
Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #17
USALiberal Jun 2021 #37
elevator Jun 2021 #24
triron Jun 2021 #36
brooklynite Jun 2021 #13
Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #18
elevator Jun 2021 #25
Disaffected Jun 2021 #34
elevator Jun 2021 #39
Disaffected Jun 2021 #42
elevator Jun 2021 #43
elevator Jun 2021 #45
Binkie The Clown Jun 2021 #20
skip fox Jun 2021 #22
elevator Jun 2021 #26
Kaleva Jun 2021 #27
elevator Jun 2021 #40
SoonerPride Jun 2021 #29
elevator Jun 2021 #41

Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:04 PM

1. I'm reading an Article in the New Yorker about this. May 10, 2021 issue

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Response to NoSheep (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:15 PM

4. There is really nothing new in the report that was released today.

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Response to NoSheep (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 11:36 PM

44. Great podcast about this - Whitney Webb talks with Robbie Martin on "Unlimited Hangout"

Pentagon wanting more money? More money for militarizing space? Lots of questions. Interesting - the guy who everyone believed to be Q - has switched his focus to UFO's according to his web page.

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:08 PM

2. Making the leap from "We don't know what these things are"

to "They must be alien" is simply not supportable. That the pilots who took those videos are such incredibly good and infallible observers must also be taken with several large grains of salt.

There are any number of really good analyses of these things out there.

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:10 PM

3. ...

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:29 PM

9. You beat me to it!

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:20 PM

5. Not having enough information to make a determination

...isn't indicative of much of anything other than to get an explanation we'll need new information or new analytical techniques.

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Response to -misanthroptimist (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:26 PM

7. Yep, agree.

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:23 PM

6. Good video.

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Response to Eko (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:53 PM

30. This guys comes to similar conclusions

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:28 PM

8. this

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:35 PM

10. It's aliens all right.


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Response to frogmarch (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:03 PM

32. Finally! Now we know how the aliens are doing it!!!11!!

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Response to frogmarch (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:37 PM

38. Love it! n/t

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 04:56 PM

11. As I've said many time...there are two possibilities Human or Alien Tech.

 

Either it's ours, another country's, or some hidden group. We completely deny it is ours. Doesn't men it's not. If it is technology developed by another country, how have they kept it a secret, or why have they not used it to gain power? If it is an unknown group that developed it...same thing how has it been kept a secret? The latest report would have us believe that these sightings of engineered craft in the sky goes back a couple decades, when in reality they go back many, many decades pre-dating our first manned flight. It is beyond belief that this technology was developed and kept secret by anyone for that long. The videos released by the Navy in the last few years are interesting, but debunkers are having a field day, but not successfully imo. By the way several military officials have stated that they are in possession of literally dozens and dozens of videos taken by pilots on normal cameras that clearly show these craft/objects. Anyway please answer the question. If it's of human origin, by whom and how has it been kept a secret. The only other human genesis possibility is from humans from the future.

If you cannot accept, or make a believable case for human origin, then the only remaining option is alien.

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Response to elevator (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 05:17 PM

15. No, there's a third possibility as well.

Actually more of a probability - the "evidence" means nothing of extraordinary interest. Most likely imaging artifacts, strange atmospheric optical phenomena, fraud, exaggeration, misinterpretation etc.

I also find your claim of military officers in possession of videos that clearly show the objects to be far-fetched and undemonstrated. If they exist, where the heck are they? Do you have access to them?

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:31 PM

21. LOL.The military are not releasing them to me. Or anyone else.

 

Optical phenomena, fraud, exaggeration etc. etc. This is mostly bs. Maybe some sightings can be explained by those. But, the clear, up close eyewitness sightings by trained observers of engineered craft are just that. Engineered craft. But whose? I spoke with a retired Eastern Airlines pilot that lived next door to my buddy. He told us that on a trip from Alabama to Atlanta in 1963 he was pilot of a DC3 airliner that was approached within 100 yards by a huge disc shaped object. This craft flew alongside the cockpit for twenty minutes on a clear night. He and the co-pilot and several passengers witnessed this event. I have seen his story in several books on UFOs. He said that even though it was considered bad for a pilot's career to report these type events that both he and the co-pilot did so. Why in the hell would a veteran pilot, with nothing at all to gain make up a story like this?

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Response to elevator (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:35 PM

33. Then how do you know they exist and,

show what you claim?

BTW, you can dispense with the anecdotal "evidence" - it is evidence of nothing.

And I suppose "veteran pilots" are as prone to making up stories as most anyone else.

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 11:54 PM

47. And I suppose you can make up excuses as well as anyone else.

 

Eyewitness testimony is used to convict people in a court of law everyday.

I didn't say I knew they exist. I said there are former military officers who claimed they exist.

Anecdotal evidence is evidence of someone claiming they saw, or experienced something. It is neither true, nor false, but could be either.

I doubt if veteran pilots are "prone" to making up stories about something that can affect their livelihood in a negative way.

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Response to elevator (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 05:38 PM

19. LOL. "several military officials have stated...." Is that like "many people are saying?"

Can you name a single "military official" that has stated that they "are in possession of literally dozens and dozens of videos taken by pilots on normal cameras that clearly show these craft/objects?"

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Response to PSPS (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:38 PM

23. There was a congressional briefing within the last decade with military

 

witnesses. And their was a national press club event with multiple former military officers stating that videos and photos are being withheld. Do some work yourself or remain ignorant.

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Response to elevator (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:50 PM

28. The onus is on you. You brought it up.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 11:44 PM

46. I looked in the mirror and can find no onus on me.

 

My broaching an idea in no way puts any onus on me.

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Response to elevator (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:01 PM

31. Geesh, what a walk-back! LOL

We've gone from "several military officials have stated that they are in possession of literally dozens and dozens of videos" to the passive "multiple former military officers stating that videos and photos are being withheld."

Name one. Just one. Or, better yet, help me overcome my "ignorance" and clue me in on this "congressional briefing within the last decade." What date was that? Have a link or any reference to any legitimate press piece on it? Thanks!

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Response to PSPS (Reply #31)

Sat Jun 26, 2021, 12:14 AM

48. Walk back? Several and multiple are interchangeable I believe.

 

May 9, 2001 national Press Club Washington DC. Seventy former Government and agency officials testified about UFO related events. Many were former military who said they had seen photographic and video evidence that was being withheld from the public. You can find it online with a list of witnesses.

April 29 - May 3 2013 Citizen Hearing on Disclosure. National Press Club Washington DC. Forty-two former military, agency and political witnesses from 10 countries testified to six former members of congress including representatives and senators for over 30 hours. Videos are on-line.

In 2007, Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader, met with a senior Intelligence Department official and the results of that meeting were an appropriation of 22 million dollars to create an program to investigate the UFO reports.

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Response to elevator (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:39 PM

35. Yep. UAPs have been documented for thousands of years not mere decades.

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 05:00 PM

12. Two decades and not ONE clear video or photo? nt

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Response to Shermann (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 05:08 PM

14. In an era where just about everyone

has a video camera in their pocket.

Same with bigfoot.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 05:20 PM

16. Because reasons.

Same for the Loch Ness monster, leprechauns, witches flying brooms, empathetic Republicans etc.

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 05:25 PM

17. Yes, by now

we should have hundreds if not thousands of high quality videos of all these things.

But we don't.

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 10:28 PM

37. Ghosts! Nt

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Response to Shermann (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:40 PM

24. Many, many decades and numerous clear films and photos.

 

All you have to do is look.

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Response to elevator (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 09:40 PM

36. They don't want to.

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 05:03 PM

13. BREAKING NEWS: unidentified flying objects are "unidentified"

I will sleep soundly tonight..

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 05:27 PM

18. If you're going to think it's aliens

who would have had to travel many light years to get here, it's equally plausible that they are manned by time-travelling humans. Or what ever humans evolved into or whatever took over when humans became extinct.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:44 PM

25. Time travel is a theory with some merit.

 

There are ways around having to travel at the speed of light. We know the physics allow it, we just have no idea how to harness the prodigious amount of energy required.

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Response to elevator (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 07:42 PM

34. We do not know the physics allow it.

What you are talking about is hypothetical (as is your other half-baked assertions).

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 11:26 PM

39. What part is half-baked? And yes, our physics do allow for it.

 

Einstien said that spacetime can be contracted. Alcubierre showed that a warp drive could be possible, which contracts space in front of a vehicle and expands behind it. but again the amount of energy is impossible to utilize at present. Prof. Eric Lentz at the University of Gottinngen is working on a theory that would get around the energy problem.

Of course it's all theoretical. That is what science works on. You do know gravity is a theory and one we cannot explain completely.

As Arthur C. Clarke said " any technology sufficiently advanced would appear as magic".

It is certainly within the realm of the possible that another civilization, or many for that matter, that have technology thousands, if not millions of years advanced beyond ours' has found the answers to superluminal travel.

Has it happened? How the hell do I know. But, to say it is not possible takes a smug, limited view to another level.

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Response to elevator (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 11:32 PM

42. Who said it's not possible??

You need improved reading comprehension.

This has become pointless so I will have no more to say on the matter.

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #42)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 11:36 PM

43. Well at least now you're completely baked.

 

Adios.

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Response to Disaffected (Reply #42)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 11:41 PM

45. My comprehension is fine. But, your usage needs some basic work.

 

" as is your other half-baked assertions" Lordy, give me an "are" for a hundred Alex.

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 05:47 PM

20. I have a very good reason for believing it's aliens.

Because that's the alternative that is the most fun to believe.

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:33 PM

22. As a former professor, I know a seminar when I see one.

Obviously U.F.O.s are alien space ships carrying graduate students working on Master's theses and Ph.D. dissertations.

Master's students have the triangle ships while their Ph.D. counterparts have the tic-toc shaped ships

They started coming regularly in the 19th century, but really ramped up their studies when post-industrial societies with nuclear weapons appeared beginning in the late 1940s.

There are liberal arts students, folklore students, economic students, history-of-science students, etc., but the most active are the history and political science students who have hypotheses about the sustainability of post-industrial societies.

They don't contact us because that would pollute their experiments and their experiments may provide them the enlightenment to avoid what looks like will be our fate.

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Response to skip fox (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:46 PM

26. Your sarcastic reply actually contains some nuggets of possible truths.

 

good work.

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:50 PM

27. As long as they remain unidentified, they can be whatever a person wants them to be.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #27)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 11:28 PM

40. No, they are still what they are in reality. A person can want them to be a thing

 

but that does not make it so.

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Response to JoanofArgh (Original post)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 06:52 PM

29. They are just as likely to be earth time travelers

Unidentified is exactly that.

Could be anything.

Or nothing.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 25, 2021, 11:31 PM

41. No, they are something. The government and military of our country

 

and others around the world have admitted there is something. They just won't say what it is, and probably wouldn't if they knew.

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