I do not care about TFG or his indictments. I care about VOTING RIGHTS

[Murphyb849]

And all day the number one two and three story was the 🐂💩about the indictments. The story that can destroy our democracy was the Supreme court continuing to gut voters rights. That I lose sleep over not TFG and his vile cult members.

[Walleye]

1. If we don't crush this monster, there will never be another normal election

Doesn’t matter what the laws are. These assholes are going to build a force and dispute every goddamn election

[lame54]

48. If the Earth disintegrates the day after Trump is put in jail...

I'll consider that a win

[apnu]

2. The solution to that is: elect more Democrats

The whole Republican party stands in the way of voting rights. There is no other solution.

[NanceGreggs]

3. It is a known fact ...

... that many people are capable of caring about more than one thing at a time.

Apparently, your mileage may vary.

[Scrivener7]

4. I care about both. A lot.

[malaise]

5. They are connected

You'd better care

[lagomorph777]

21. Exactly!

[NurseJackie]

6. TFG?

[CurtEastPoint]

7. 'The Former Guy' AKA Dump. Coined by Biden.

[NurseJackie]

8. Dump?

Why not just use his name? So many silly nicknames. We're not twelve years old.

[CurtEastPoint]

9. Well, pardon me for trying to help. Jesus.

[NurseJackie]

10. I just don't understand the purpose of it. It does nothing to promote intelligent/adult conversation

I just don't understand the purpose of it. It does nothing to promote intelligent/adult conversation... it makes us look like idiots... and I'm sure Trump doesn't care that someone has come up with a new insult/nickname for him.

Well, pardon me for trying to help. Jesus.

No apology needed. You did help. You helped to illustrate how ridiculous all the nicknames and misspellings and asterisks, and acronyms are. There must be two dozen or more ways to avoid saying his name. Why?

[CurtEastPoint]

11. Bye, Felicia.

[NurseJackie]

13. LOL!

Have a nice day!

[Blues Heron]

12. we dont dignify TFG by using it's name

thou shalt not speaketh it's name and all that... hence Drumpf, TFG, Shithead, Dump. etc. etc.

[NurseJackie]

14. Ridiculous.

we dont dignify TFG by using it's name

Then why refer to him at all? (Does anyone really think he cares one way or the other?)

[Blues Heron]

15. It's not about him/it seeing it- it's a way of blowing off steam

It's a time-honored tradition stretching back to the B*sh years.

Personally I think TFG is a stroke of genius. No other nickname comes close. It encapsulates the dis of not saying the name, or the title in one fell swoop.

[NurseJackie]

16. It's a juvenile fad... I'll be glad when it runs its course and fades away.

Orange one, orange-menace, cheeto, etc... they've all fallen by the wayside. This one will too. But in the meantime, it serves no good purpose and it just makes us look like children.

[Dial H For Hero]

17. I completely agree. Those on the right have their own pet ways of referring to Democrats,

and they’re every bit as childish.

[NurseJackie]

18. I can't take any of them seriously.

It's the "adult" version of "nannie-nannie-boo-boo" thumbing one's nose and wiggling one's fingers (or sticking out one's tongue) at an adversary.

[Dial H For Hero]

26. I feel the same about those who revel in foul language.

An occasional f-bomb is one thing, but some posters seem incapable of mentioning any politician or organization with whom they disagree without throwing in gratuitous foul language.

[PortTack]

34. Ppl on other platforms use nicknames to keep their posts from being taken down

Bots and trolls do searches with his name and when they find a negative post that includes his name, even if what was said is true they pile on and many times the post is removed. By using other names or initials it’s not picked up and the post isn’t removed

Algorithms matter

[NurseJackie]

39. Oh no! Someone's post was taken down. It's the end of the freaking world!

By using other names or initials it’s not picked up and the post isn’t removed

So, you're telling me that the bots and trolls can't figure out what what's going on? Dream on.

Is this a big problem at DU?

Algorithms matter

Not as much as some like to pretend. -- Oh no! Someone's post was taken down. It's the end of the freaking world!

[PortTack]

30. I don't want to see his name or photo. Call me childish if you want. Seems I'm not alone

[NurseJackie]

36. Yes, let's just pretend he doesn't exist (and never existed)...

I don't want to see his name or photo. Call me childish if you want. Seems I'm not alone

Yes, let's just pretend he doesn't exist (and never existed)... that'll solve everything.



I never called anyone childish. I did, however characterize it being a fairly juvenile response that serves no good purpose. I'd hope that as adults we could discuss adult topics without resorting to incessant defacto name-calling or other "poopy-head" nicknames. That's all I was trying to say. I think that's a reasonable argument to make, don't you?

[Firestorm49]

29. Acronyms drive me nuts. I googled TFG and came up with a boatload of options. None fit the bill.

[Blues Heron]

42. It's just that it gets tiresome having to spell out "the former guy" all the time

when we can just say TFG instead. Definite time saver.

[NurseJackie]

61. People who want to engage in an adult conversation just use his name, Trump...

It's just that it gets tiresome having to spell out "the former guy" all the time

People who want to engage in an adult conversation just use his name, Trump...

Definite time saver.

... and it's a bit of a stretch to to make a serious or convincing argument that the two extra characters in his actual name is a genuine "time saver" compared to the absurd acronym. It has nothing to do with saving time, it's just people who are hopping on a bandwagon and doing the trendy "cool-kids" thing without realizing how ridiculous it looks.

[Blues Heron]

62. It's Biden's nickname for Drumpf - therefore it has presidential authority

it's almost like we HAVE to use it! lol! Just trying to be a good citizen!

[NurseJackie]

63. It was a throwaway line... let's leave it in the wastebasket where it belongs.

It's Biden's nickname for Drumpf

No it's not. He said it, but it was a throwaway line... let's leave it in the wastebasket where it belongs. Biden does not engage in such juvenile behavior like continually referring to Trump in that manner. He's better than that. I can assure you that his sense of humor is much more sophisticated than that. He doesn't lay awake at night tittering in bed trying to think of insulting nicknames for Trump.

it's almost like we HAVE to use it! lol!

Good lord. No it's not.

Just trying to be a good citizen!

Try harder. Be best. This craze is just a fad without any genuine qualities or intellectual merit.

[Scrivener7]

22. Part of his power came from the fact that he was so successful at dominating the media for

so long. His name was the one most referenced everywhere. Algorithms pick up on that. They use that information to decide what to feed us.

Refraining from writing his name on the internet changes that. When the algorithms see the name less often, they are less likely to conclude that he is all anyone wants to talk about.

I think not using his name is a great idea.

[NurseJackie]

25. You're overthinking it.

Refraining from writing his name on the internet changes that.

No it doesn't. You're overthinking it. DU is just a blip on the Internet. It's barely a puddle, not even a small pond (in the grand scheme of things). It's important to US because we "live here". But I think the reality is that DU isn't a mover and shaker in the same what that you're imagining it to be.

When the algorithms see the name less often, they are less likely to conclude that he is all anyone wants to talk about.

It's a silly response that does not have the effect that people imagine it having. --- And even if it were true: WHO CARES?

And if anyone cares: WHY? What difference does it make?

His name was the one most referenced everywhere

Oh, good grief! He was the President of the United States. Of course his name is going to be one of the "most referenced". What would you expect?

[Scrivener7]

27. No, actually, I'm not. Your arguments about my post are ridiculous, but I don't care to

expend the effort to rebut them.

But here's what it boils down to:

If you don't like the nicknames, by all means, you should refrain from using them.

However your insults to and about those that do use them, who often use them for very good reasons, are just obnoxious.

I don't use his name. I get that you, therefore, can't take me seriously. I can happily live with that.

[NurseJackie]

37. I'm not surprised.

but I don't care to expend the effort to rebut them.

I'm not surprised.

However your insults to and about those that do use them, who often use them for very good reasons, are just obnoxious.

I haven't insulted anyone. I've called it a silly-fad, and silly-nicknames, and a juvenile response. My criticisms have always been about something specific and never as a personal insult toward anyone.

All I'm trying to say is that if someone is so determined to NOT mention him and NOT talk about him, then why mention him AT ALL? Why mention him even "in code" or by using obscure acronyms, or by using asterisks in his name?

[Scrivener7]

45. "I don't like it! Therefore you must stop!!!"

[NurseJackie]

49. Nobody said that.

"I don't like it! Therefore you must stop!!!"

Nobody said that. I am, however, letting people know how ridiculous and absurd it sounds. Anyone who wants to use "poopy-head" nicknames to 'dis' Trump or to fuck with Google's 'algorithms' are engaging in meaningless gestures and exercises in futility. All the while stifling meaning discussion and exchange of information and looking silly in the process.

[Scrivener7]

65. It sounds ridiculous to you. Obviously not to the multiple people

here who use the acronym. So again, "I don't like it so you must stop!!"

[NurseJackie]

66. Well, that's not an excuse, is it?

It sounds ridiculous to you. Obviously not to the multiple people

Well, that's not an excuse, is it? It's a reason, but not an excuse.

We should all strive to be better and to elevate the discourse and conversation. These juvenile nicknames and name-calling and "in-crowd" cool-kids in-on-the-joke antics do not achieve that.

So again, "I don't like it so you must stop!!"

Do as you please. But just know that it's ridiculous and it serves no useful purpose (other than purposes that are centered around vanity).

All I'm trying to say is that we should strive to be better than this. That's reasonable, don't you think?

[Scrivener7]

67. You're overthinking it. Your reaction boils down to: "I don't like it! I don't like it!

That mean's it's stupid! Because I don't like it!"

[NurseJackie]

68. Nope. Some things can be stupid completely independent of how I feel...

... it just happens that in this case I'm right. My observations don't MAKE them stupid... I'm just telling it like it is. And this is something that's bizarre and serves no good purpose. (Except for the "cool kids" who feel like it's important to part of the "in-crowd" and "in on the joke".)

Good grief. What a waste of time.

All I'm trying to say is that it's time to be adults and elevate the discussion... is there anything wrong with that? That's reasonable, right? Why do things that make liberals and Democrats easy targets for ridicule? Things like this are equivalent to the way that we're called "Lib-tards" and "Demon-crats". It's just juvenile and stupid. Why do it?

[Scrivener7]

69. You're overthinking it. "My response to it is RIGHT! All yours is stupid! Stop it!"

[NurseJackie]

70. Oh, good lord.

[PortTack]

32. Algorithms matter..a lot! The less his name is used the less exposure he has in all kind of ways

[NurseJackie]

38. Yet he still exists and his name appears in newspapers and websites all over the world...

... this "TFG" silliness is an empty gesture that will have absolutely ZERO meaningful effect on the "algorithms". All this makes as much sense as when DUers want to make a group effort to swarm a website to skew the results of some newspaper's online poll. What difference does it make? It's not important. Who cares? What a waste of time and effort and emotion.

Lord.

[Blues Heron]

41. I'm going to go with Biden on this one

call him silly if you want, I think "TFG" was a masterstroke of dis.

[NurseJackie]

46. It's a fad. People have glommed onto a throwaway line. It's now overused, meaningless and annoying.

It's a fad. People have glommed onto a throwaway line. It's now overused, meaningless and annoying. It serves no good purpose except to be a stumbling block for topics that could otherwise provide useful information or discussion.

call him silly if you want

Yes, the continued use of it is ridiculous.

[Blues Heron]

50. People come here to vent, have a good time

part of that is funny nicknames like Drumpf, Melanoma, Istanka, etc etc. your saying that's all verboten now? We have to use their real names?

[NurseJackie]

51. You know perfectly well I have said no such thing.

your saying that's all verboten now? We have to use their real names?

You know perfectly well I have said no such thing. I am, however, letting you know that it's just as juvenile as whenever I read things like "libtard" and "Killary" and "Demoncrats". Whenever I see things like that from the other side, I can instantly tell (by just reading a few words) that it was a message or reply or comment that was posted by a complete idiot.

All I'm trying to say is that it serves no good purpose. Why would anyone want to defend or encourage that type of regressive behavior? Is this a "poopy-head" nickname fad a race to the bottom of the intellectual barrel? I think we can do better than that, wouldn't you agree? That's not unreasonable.

[Blues Heron]

52. well you never know who's reading - maybe it will piss off a member of the "other board"

in which case - job well done. Personally I like em all. Remember Commander Codpiece? That one was a brilliant putdown of the former former former guy (TFFFG)

[NurseJackie]

55. I hardly think that the purpose of DU is to "piss off" members of other boards.

Remember Commander Codpiece? That one was a brilliant putdown

Thankfully, no. I guess that was a fad that enjoyed a quick (and justifiable) death. Brilliant? Enhhh. I'm not seeing it that way. I guess I have higher standards in my estimation what passes for brilliance or cleverness or humor.

well you never know who's reading - maybe it will piss off a member of the "other board"

I hardly think that the purpose of DU is to "piss off" members of other boards. My existence would need to be pretty damned pathetic and boring before I could imagine that as something that's actually and entertaining and worthwhile pursuit.

All I'm trying to say is that if someone wants to "troll" members of "other boards", then why are they doing it HERE at DU? Wouldn't it make more sense to troll them AT their board? Or by commenting on THEIR tweeter feeds and facebook pages. Why fling poop in one's own house?

[Blues Heron]

56. I see it as a feeding two birds with one hand thing

collateral benefit if you will, in case any lurkers are reading etc, plus it's fun. People are having fun with it, it's not going to stop, best just skip over the posts with the mean nicknames.

[NurseJackie]

57. It doesn't even rise to the level of "mean"... it's just childish.

best just skip over the posts with the mean nicknames.

It doesn't even rise to the level of "mean"... it's just childish.

People are having fun with it, it's not going to stop,

I remain hopeful that when people realize that this type of "poopy-head" nicknaming behavior reflects poorly on how they are perceived (intellectually) and how our community is perceived, then maybe a few will reconsider and then elevate their language and behavior.

It's a fad. It's something that a few are glomming onto and, fads are (by definition) an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities; a craze.

[Blues Heron]

58. On the other hand- if the shoe fits

Sometimes a good nickname has a ring of truth to it like "Commander Codpiece" or "Darth Cheney" (another one that is just pure gold.) Anyway, nicknames are here to stay, the good ones stick around, it's just the nature of the internet.

on edit- don't forget Moscow Mitch loved his nickname "Cocaine Mitch" he even made shirts. Then he clammed up when he was renamed "Moscow Mitch" - he didn't think that was funny at all. No t-shirt for that one! Too close to home. LOL

[NurseJackie]

59. You're overthinking it.

Sometimes a good nickname has a ring of truth to it like

You're overthinking it. These fad is juvenile and it reflects poorly on those who engage in it, as well as this community. It does absolutely nothing to elevate the discussion or the exchange of ideas. What it does do, regretfully, is to make it easier to compare Democrats with those who are easily amused by engaging in the same type of name calling.

All I'm trying to say is that, people on the other side who try to insult Democrats with terms like "Demoncrats" or "Libtards" or "Sleepy Joe" or "Crooked-Hillary" or "Pocahontas" really aren't all that bright or clever to begin with. What good purpose is served by trying to imitate them?

[StarfishSaver]

43. Thank you

These silly names are - well, just silly. And make us sound as juvenile and vocabulary-challenged as we think folks on the other side are.

[NurseJackie]

47. Excellent analogy. In this race to the bottom, I hope our side doesn't win.

[LizBeth]

44. Thank you. I was trying t figure it out. Sounded like talking Trump but didn't fit. I was gonna ask.

[LexVegas]

19. Lots of people have trouble focusing on multiple things at once. Nothing wrong with that. nt

[lagomorph777]

20. I agree, but there is some linkage. Turd is driving a lot of the voter suppression and theft effort

When he's locked up, much of the impetus and funding will dry up.

[Tommy Carcetti]

23. Umm...we can't care about both?

Or is that somehow not allowed?

[we can do it]

33. Yes, most of us have a more than one track mind.

[Sympthsical]

24. The media's ratings are in the tank since he left office

Of course they're going to talk about him all day long. Gee, how did he get elected in 2016? Thank god we didn't learn from any of those mistakes.

Yeah. I'm tired of hearing about him. Yesterday, my conversation with my partner went like so.

P: "Did you see the Trump organization -"
Me: "Don't care."
P: "But they indicted -"
Me: "Really don't care."
P: "I bet Trump -"
Me: "Could not express any harder how much I don't care about the man."
P: "But that one guy -"
Me: "Yeah, yeah, Allen Weisselberg, tax fraud, etc. I read the article. I'm good. So, are we watching Loki tonight?"

I don't need to discuss that shit in my home. I trust competent prosecutors. I trust Biden's DOJ. I voted for Biden specifically so I don't have to think about this shit.

I think obsession with the man is a stress addiction people aren't ready to give up. And the media definitely don't want to give up, because they apparently have nothing else to talk about that people want to watch. Now that they can't use Twitter to drive their "journalism" they're entirely at sea about what interests people.

Loki is just ok. Still not getting into it four episodes in.

[msfiddlestix]

28. Exactly Right.

And the fact that the media is using the indictment story for ratings, while ignoring the SCOTUS is status quo enabling the destruction of our democracy. Something that the Media Executives are quite satisfied with.

The story for the indictments, shouldn't even be about that they finally happened, it should be what the eff took so long, and why wasn't NY Attorney General and Manhattan DA's investigating and charging these criminal enterprises decades ago? That's the story worthy of attention.

But at this precise moment, it's all about our democracy, and the USSC's decision to further destroy it.

[Murphyb849]

72. I will be happy to stroke out about all the 🐂💩after we get legislation on voters rights.

None of this will matter if we lose our democracy.

[we can do it]

31. I care about both.

[Demsrule86]

35. Yeah well that ship sailed in 2016...when 'but her email' voters didn't vote for the Democratic

nominee...Hillary Clinton. For God's sake it was a given that the Republicans would get a stolen SCOTUS seat...and they got more. Elections have consequences. We need loyalty to the party or this sort of thing will continue to happen.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

40. Yesterday's opinion was a major setback for voting rights

Link to tweet

[pwb]

53. I can care about more than one thing at a time last

time I tried. I am sleeping better than ever knowing TFG is squirming.

[leftstreet]

54. DURec

[Marrah_Goodman]

60. I care about both.

[ecstatic]

64. Thank you so much for saying this

I'm looking around on DU and I'm wondering to myself--is everyone's head buried in the sand or what? Our democracy is on the ropes and some are more concerned about TFG, infrastructure and primaries. It's time for democrats to FIGHT. I'm so disgusted and disappointed by Manchin, Sinema, and even Schumer--because he's unable to rein them in. At the end of the day, it comes across as weak. There's always an excuse of some kind. Meanwhile, rethuqs don't give a shit--they're ramming their agenda through nationwide.

[Murphyb849]

71. Thank you. I am a lifetime historian and this is right out of Hitler's playbook. And scares me.

[Marthe48]

73. Thank you for posting

I was thinking today, after all of the vile news, (voting rights gutted, dewine signing an anti-LGTBQ budget, cosby getting out of jail, just examples), that hearing about indictments just isn't enough to lift my spirits.

I want a win for progress. I want the federal government to protect voting rights for all people. I want all of the Ohio r's to stop their revolting and repressive regime in my state. I want rapists to be punished for their crimes.

If, for every indictment that was brought against traitor, an r senator or r judge got booted out of office or off the bench, or one of their crappy laws was repealed and forbidden to come up ever again, I'd feel like Karma was really Karma.