Condo collapse sequence simulation

[FelineOverlord]

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[SWBTATTReg]

1. Wow. Buildings should have been evacuated way before anyone got caught in the buildings...

Where was mgmt then? What were they doing (mgmt)? Obviously not shoring up the building, not evacuating...unfortunately lawsuits won't bring those unfortunate enough to be trapped inside these buildings but I do hope that criminal charges are filed for numerous lapses, e.g., failure to evacuate tenants, failure to take measures to shore up the buildings if even possible or immediately condemn the premises due to imminent danger of collapse, failure of building inspectors not immediately stepping in and condemning the premises, and how did such an substandard garage parking structure be allowed to shore up the entire series of buildings? Issues everywhere!

[Dreampuff]

3. There really was no management , so to speak.

It was a condo complex and most of the tenants owned a portion of the property. There was a lot of contention between the condo association owners as to whether needed repairs should be fixed or should be pushed down the road. I do believe this condo complex allowed owners to do rentals, but it's generally not the majority of condo tenants. The maintenance man even pointed out problems to the engineers who are doing the inspections but it all fell on deaf ears. I just want to clarify that I am not blaming the victims for their own demise. No doubt they figured things would be fine with a Band-Aid or any destruction would be years down the road, possibly after they had already sold and moved on

[Zeitghost]

13. Evacuate when?

The building collapsed in a few seconds, when were they supposed to evacuate? And there was no "management", it was a self governed condo complex.

[SWBTATTReg]

15. Hey, they said that the parking lot structure was collapsing prior to the collapse and engineers, or

anyone w/ any construction smarts would have known that something imminent was going to happen. Stress cracks show up, as well as other things too. Engineers would have immediately known that the parking structure supported the buildings adjoining it, and it something happened to the parking structure (it started sinking, support beams started poking through). This is akin to having a pile of oily rags in a pile, eventually they are going to catch fire.

They did have mgmt, a condo association of some sorts, sure it may have been disorganized, but someone overall was paying the bills, etc. In any event, this tragic event shows a person on what not to do, in buying a condo that in reality, you have to rely on everybody else too, in doing their fair share, or things won't get done. It just shows human nature at its worse, in not being able to reconcile things w/ others, and decide on effective solutions to problems.

[Demovictory9]

2. another youtuber does a better analysis... shows how that last tower to fall gets sheared in half

sheared in half lengthwise, from sky to ground

then leans slightly towards the left and toward the viewer, then falls

[littlemissmartypants]

4. Link?

[Demovictory9]

6. Starting about 5:45 slo mo analysis

[littlemissmartypants]

7. Thank you. ❤ nt

[scipan]

14. Very interesting. 2 things he says that jump out

to me:
1) once 1 support column fails, there is no redundancy. The adjacent column is doomed to fail and then à domino effect.

2) there is no outward sign that a column is under stress and about to fail. Beams, yes, but not columns. (Except maybe a good inspector)

Scary

[Towlie]

5. A high-rise condo building in North Miami Beach has already been evacuated.

North Miami Beach condemns ‘unsafe’ condo, evacuates about 300 residents

It's here: Google Street View

[Diraven]

10. They're finally getting around to doing those inspections

That should have been done decades ago, except this is Florida so the government doesn't do anything that might hamper the tourism and retirement businesses.

[burrowowl]

8. Damn! It's been too long in the making!

[Aussie105]

9. Was the pool an afterthought?

Why do you need one, so close to the beach?

Why tie it in to the supporting structure of the building?

Why build the pool so close to underground car parking places?

Analysis of the concrete and reinforcing bars used is needed!

Questions to be answered!

We stayed in a similar high rise close to the beach, in Queensland's Gold Coast. Didn't sleep well, every gust of wind rocked the building.
(Might have been my imagination though.)

[WarGamer]

11. well done and logical conclusions.

[Aussie105]

12. When it comes to the blame game, expect some (legal) push and shove.

Soil engineers: We didn't know ground conditions would change that much . . . building designers should have allowed for that!

Building designers: We did out best, but the integrity of the building relied on ground conditions not changing, and the actual builders using the specified materials! They let us down!

Material suppliers, builders: We relied on the soil engineers and designers to have done their job properly! We build to spec, who knew rebar would rust and concrete flake off? And remedial work wasn't carried out! They all let us down!

Then there's the legal battles from surviving ex-owners with insurance companies. Insured for total loss? Maybe, maybe not.
Then there's those who had a mortgage. Deceased, but still owe the bank money on a now worthless apartment?

Anxious apartment owners in other Florida high rises are nervously reading their insurance documents as we speak . . .

This will drag on for decades!

Meanwhile. Mourning for the dead continues.

I know where my sympathies lie. Not the soil engineers, designers, builders, insurance companies or banks.