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Trump, Giuliani, AZ GOP chair pressured Maricopa cty to stop counting ballots. (Original Post) triron Jul 2021 OP
is it illegal to pressure election officals to stop counting votes? Takket Jul 2021 #1
I want to know that as well. There was that sternly worded letter and Garland's speech (Republicans triron Jul 2021 #2
Depends on the pressure. Asking for them to stop is one thing and that might slide by legally but cstanleytech Jul 2021 #9
How is this different than what happened in Georgia? triron Jul 2021 #3
Trump is now on tape asking people in Georgia and Arizona to fix the election for him. Botany Jul 2021 #4
Correct me if I am wrong but he is only on tape asking for them to find the votes right? If so cstanleytech Jul 2021 #10
At the end of the day Trump was asking the Sec. of State in GA & AZ to change the vote counts in ... Botany Jul 2021 #11
He was the president (sic) at the time, so his words and actions weighed more heavily LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2021 #12
Look, I am not disagreeing I am simply trying to point out that while we might believe cstanleytech Jul 2021 #13
I completely agree with you. A jury conviction is practically impossible, especially in Georgia LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2021 #16
Depends on how the jury is selected. triron Jul 2021 #17
I'm not sure if The Truth Will Set You Free, but it can lead to indictments. Let's make it so. abqtommy Jul 2021 #5
These three are some truly heinous people sciencescience Jul 2021 #6
Astonishing they even try that. Fuck them all BSdetect Jul 2021 #7
So this is the fraud they have been talking about... ace3csusm Jul 2021 #8
I know it's besides the point (kind of), but Biden led in AZ from Election Night forward. The more Grown2Hate Jul 2021 #14
Interestig point. Now it seems a little confusing why this might happen. triron Jul 2021 #15

Takket

(21,550 posts)
1. is it illegal to pressure election officals to stop counting votes?
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 03:33 PM
Jul 2021

it is...

and that being said, is there a Federal investigation into this?

triron

(21,994 posts)
2. I want to know that as well. There was that sternly worded letter and Garland's speech (Republicans
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 03:37 PM
Jul 2021

are shivering?).

cstanleytech

(26,277 posts)
9. Depends on the pressure. Asking for them to stop is one thing and that might slide by legally but
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 05:54 PM
Jul 2021

if it involved any threats or promises as way of a bribe then that is definitely criminal.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
4. Trump is now on tape asking people in Georgia and Arizona to fix the election for him.
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 04:16 PM
Jul 2021

I bet he also did this in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania too.

Lock him up.

cstanleytech

(26,277 posts)
10. Correct me if I am wrong but he is only on tape asking for them to find the votes right? If so
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 05:58 PM
Jul 2021

then proving that to be criminal is unlikely to happen as there is a difference between asking them to find the such votes and asking them to commit a crime and falsify the votes somehow.
I wish the tape had him asking to do that though as I would love to see Trump going to prison and never being set free.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
11. At the end of the day Trump was asking the Sec. of State in GA & AZ to change the vote counts in ...
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 06:26 PM
Jul 2021

... their states so the loser could be declared the winner. aka Rig the outcome of the election. I'm
willing to bet he did the same thing in WI, MI, PA, & NV.

just my

12. He was the president (sic) at the time, so his words and actions weighed more heavily
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 06:35 PM
Jul 2021

than if you or I did the same thing. Remember what Michael Cohen said: "He doesn't ask for what he wants you to do, but you know anyhow." It's like a Mafia don -- a stupid Mafia don, accepted -- his actions and words convey what he wants you to do, without leaving fingerprints. In this case he didn't directly say to the SoS, "Make it so I win." He said, "Find me 11,780 votes," which coincidentally is the number he needed to reverse the Georgia results.

He didn't realize that he was dealing with a man of integrity; in Trumpworld, I doubt such a person exists.

cstanleytech

(26,277 posts)
13. Look, I am not disagreeing I am simply trying to point out that while we might believe
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:01 PM
Jul 2021

he committed a crime by saying that getting a conviction in a court of law is highly unlikely to happen.

16. I completely agree with you. A jury conviction is practically impossible, especially in Georgia
Tue Jul 6, 2021, 12:45 PM
Jul 2021

where a large number of the jury pool to select from probably have T***** bumperstickers and believe he is the true president. Also, they are absolutely convinced that Secretary of State Raffensperger is part of the conspiracy to steal the election.

ace3csusm

(969 posts)
8. So this is the fraud they have been talking about...
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 04:54 PM
Jul 2021

I guess we did stop the steal, and they left crumbs for someone to follow to arrest them...What are we waiting for Democrats start yelling at the top of your lungs...Had this been flipped around Fox News and Republican would be raising hell every second ... committees would be being formed , investigators, FBI would have been sent in it would be absolute pandemonium...What are we waiting for next they might actually accomplish the steal ...

Grown2Hate

(2,010 posts)
14. I know it's besides the point (kind of), but Biden led in AZ from Election Night forward. The more
Mon Jul 5, 2021, 07:03 PM
Jul 2021

the absentee/vote-by-mail vote was being counted, the closer Trump got, never QUITE overtaking Biden. So it's bizarre on it's face that they'd want the counting to STOP anyhow (the details are behind a paywall for me, but if it's as the headline states, these morons are even stupider than I thought).

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