Sept/2015, Trump's interest in Hitler had been known from before the 2016 election. This should ....

[Botany]

.... not be new news.

But did we hear about this? No, but we heard 24/7 about Hillary, her emails, and her email server.

Sadly I think at least 50% of Trump supporters are totally fine with Trump getting "tips from Hitler."
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Business Insider
Sep 1, 2015, 8:25 AM

Donald Trump's ex-wife once said Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed

According to a 1990 Vanity Fair interview, Ivana Trump once told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that her husband, real-estate mogul Donald Trump, now a leading Republican presidential candidate, kept a book of Hitler's speeches near his bed.

"Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed ... Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist," Marie Brenner wrote.

Hitler was one of history's most prolific orators, building a genocidal Nazi regime with speeches that bewitched audiences.

"He learned how to become a charismatic speaker, and people, for whatever reason, became enamored with him," Professor Bruce Loebs, who has taught a class called the Rhetoric of Hitler and Churchill for the past 46 years at Idaho State University, told Business Insider earlier this year.

"People were most willing to follow him, because he seemed to have the right answers in a time of enormous economic upheaval."


https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

[lapucelle]

1. The pundit class needs to take responsibility and apolologize

for its part in enabling the 2016 election of Trump.

Paul Krugman called them out in September 2016, but they continued anyway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/opinion/hillary-clinton-gets-gored.html

[Botany]

3. "They" all knew that Trump was mobbed up, a con man, not a billionaire, a failed businessman, ...

... in bed with the Russians, and a phony but all we heard about was Hillary and her emails.

[zuul]

8. If nothing else they knew his casino was convicted of money laundering.

Not suspected.

Not alleged.

Not charged.

CONVICTED.

It was in the public record for all to see. And the media never mentioned it. How the f@ck does a known money launderer become a candidate for the presidency?

And where the f@ck was the FBI?

[Botany]

17. They also knew that Trump Univeristy was scam who aggresively marketed to the widows and ...

... families of the American troops who were killed and or injured in Iraq and Afghanistan too.

Trump also said he didn't know this Mafia Don who gambled at Trump's Atlantic City Casino.

?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale

[Hugin]

2. TFG's sexist Grabber Incident barely made a ripple...

So, I doubt reminding everyone of Fat Nixon's Hitler fetish would've changed anything.

[robbob]

5. PGI? You've got me stumped. Potato Growers of Iowa?

PGI Phoenix Group, Inc. (est. 1994; New York)
PGI Principal Global Investors
PGI Progiciel de Gestion Intégré (French: Enterprise Resource Planning)
PGI Phosphoglucose Isomerase
PGI Portland Group, Inc. (Portland, OR)
PGI Polymer Group, Inc. (stock symbol)
PGI Post Goods Issue (shipping)
PGI Protected Geographical Indication
PGI Premiere Global Services, Inc. (various locations)
PGI Printer Graphics File
PGI Parameter Group Identifier
PGI Platinum Guild International
PGI Pyrotechnics Guild International
PGI Post-Graduate Institute
PGI Polish Geological Institute (Warsaw, Poland)
PGI Procedures, Guidance and Information (US DoD)
PGI Photo Gallery International (Tokyo, Japan)
PGI Pacifica Graduate Institute (California)
PGI Practice Guidelines Initiative
PGI Penn Genomics Institute
PGI Potential Gross Income (financial and accounting term used in cash flow statements)
PGI Communion of Churches in Indonesia
PGI Endothelial Prostacyclin
PGI Potato Growers of Idaho

That’s an abbreviated list. None seem to apply to TFG…

***I see you fixed it on edit! Thought you might be referring to that incident…

[Hugin]

6. I fixed it. n/t

[lapucelle]

10. I don't agree. If journalists had done their homework

and hammered home Trump's history with the same relentless zeal expended on HRC's apocryphal "scandals", Trump may never had won the primary.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/10/trump-getting-thumped-in-post-tape-gate-polls.html

Imagine what a difference it may have made if NYT or WaPo had published investigative reporting on the December 2015 RT dinner that both Jill Stein and Michael Flynn attended?

[Hugin]

12. I believe we're both saying the same thing.

I'm saying that Trump's crimes have never been reported with the vigor of HRC's day-to-day life portrayed as crimes.

Take Benghazi for instance... Four dead? Trump's malfeasance in (to put it mildly) the handling of the COVID-19 pandemic over 400,000 Americans dead. Where's the investigations? The mass media pounding away at it every hour on the hour?

[lapucelle]

14. Polls reflected that the Access Hollywood tape made a ripple with voters; however the press

dropped it to chase the perennial shiny object when Comey publicly announced that he had reopened his investigation. Had the press done it's job, we may never have had a Trump presidency.

[Paladin]

4. "It can't happen here."

Remember the Good Old Days---5 years ago or less---when we were stupid enough to believe that? And look where we are, now.

[zuul]

7. The article lost me at

“her husband (TFG) reads a book.”

He may have had a book (a jokey gift perhaps) or someone may have read passages to him.

I don’t believe he voluntarily read any book. Ever. He can’t even speak in complete sentences and he struggles to read the dumbed-down phrases on his teleprompter.

[lapucelle]

11. It wasn't a jokey gift. When the journalist who wrote the 1990 Vanity Fair story

Last edited Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:58 AM - Edit history (1)

asked Trump about the book, the first thing Trump wanted to know was who told her about it.

Then Trump lied saying it wasn't a book of Hitler's speeches, it was a copy of Mein Kampf given to him by a friend who was "a Jew".

When the reporter interviewed the friend, he told the reporter that it was a book of Hitler's speeches and that he wasn't Jewish.

The 1990 Vanity Fair profile was lengthy, detailed, well-written, and meticulously sourced. I don't remember hearing it mentioned or referenced by either journalists or pundits in 2015-2016.

Last April [1990], perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

"Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?" I asked Trump.

Trump hesitated. "Who told you that?"

"I don't remember," I said.

"Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he's a Jew." ("I did give him a book about Hitler," Marty Davis said. "But it was My New Order, Hitler's speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I'm not Jewish." )

Later, Trump returned to this subject. "If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them."

Who was the cousin the author thought might have given Trump the Hitler book?

Donald Trump appears to take aspects of his German background seriously. John Walter works for the Trump Organization, and when he visits Donald in his office, Ivana told a friend, he clicks his heels and says, "Heil Hitler," possibly as a family joke.

There is also this chillingly prescient observation in the 1990 piece:

Donald is a believer in the big-lie theory," his lawyer had told me. "If you say something again and again, people will believe you."

The cached version of the 1990 Vanity Fair profile is not behind a paywall. You can read it here.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_2XHIvQNYC8J:https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/share/e515a2cd-a51b-4f83-8d61-6ebb9a104e0a+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-d

[zuul]

18. TY. Great information.

I still don't think he can read.

[betsuni]

9. They turned a life long do-gooder Methodist who always writes thank you notes and does her

homework, does the best job possible in everything she does to help the American people, especially women and children, into a diabolical evil corrupt warmongering criminal and Trump, a guy everyone knows has been a crooked asshole since the '80s, into someone nice who should be given the benefit of the doubt because "anti-establishment" populism was, like, totally popular that year.

Fuck you, everyone who did this! Especially those who promoted the corrupt Hillary Wall Street racist "I don't wanna see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils" bullshit. They knew better and did it anyway.

[cilla4progress]

13. So well said,

thank you.

[lapucelle]

15. A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[treestar]

16. Trump did not learn to become a charismatic speaker

from it.