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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:06 AM Jul 2021

The Arrogance of Republicans

Do they actually believe the Democrats are going to forget about what happened on January 6th?

Do they truly think the majority of Americans will believe their "Big Lie"?

Do they believe they can sweep such a traitorous act under the rug and pretend it never happened?

The sooner they come to their senses, the better it will be for them.

They believe they can ride the "Big Lie" thru the next election. And that is the most important event for them.

There is going to be a reckoning. They need to understand that reality.

The Democrats and the majority of the American people will not be fooled by their arrogant disregard for the truth.

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The Arrogance of Republicans (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2021 OP
they actually believe those things because those beliefs are working for them. rampartc Jul 2021 #1
Republicans will lose seats, they'd already shot their wad. Omnipresent Jul 2021 #15
Yep. IrishAfricanAmerican Jul 2021 #23
We can actually start the Jan6th video footage... Omnipresent Jul 2021 #28
This Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #16
YEP Cosmocat Jul 2021 #21
add their sharpened and refined gerrymander rampartc Jul 2021 #32
Do they actually believe Democrats are too lazy to come out and vote? Walleye Jul 2021 #2
No they don't believe that. gab13by13 Jul 2021 #5
Well what in the hell can we do about it? Walleye Jul 2021 #31
September 14 xxqqqzme Jul 2021 #10
And that's all they have- their big lie. dawg day Jul 2021 #3
They have a plan, gab13by13 Jul 2021 #7
Yet, they get tens of millions of people to repeat it constantly Walleye Jul 2021 #33
McConnell will say otherwise. Tommymac Jul 2021 #34
A "reckoning" has been often predicted, but keeps not happening JHB Jul 2021 #4
You get it. gab13by13 Jul 2021 #9
TFG John Ludi Jul 2021 #6
Lack of accountability for Republicans and the rich. gab13by13 Jul 2021 #8
Yep... John Ludi Jul 2021 #11
Voting is the only solution. sop Jul 2021 #12
Voting is no substiture for justice. kentuck Jul 2021 #13
Voting is trust. Justice is the accountability that upholds that trust. Need BOTH. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #19
"Justice" is just a dream without political or economic power. sop Jul 2021 #29
It's bootrapping and it requires vigilance at all levels. Sometimes justice comes first, as in Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #30
The American Revolution didn't bring about much justice for women, slaves, non-landowners, sop Jul 2021 #41
It wasn't perfect. The perfect is the enemy of the good. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #42
They actually believe they will win elections, because Dems can't be bothered to vote. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2021 #14
Backwards. They believe they will win because Dems vote is suppressed by laws. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #20
Probably, but Republican voters are also being inconvenienced. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2021 #22
Democrats could do better but the problem is the "middle" Cosmocat Jul 2021 #24
The days of the middle ignoring all the crazy shit Rs do is over. KS Toronado Jul 2021 #36
Doubtful Cosmocat Jul 2021 #44
Past is prologue... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #17
Ditto Cosmocat Jul 2021 #45
for authoritarians certainty is more important then truth. and they have 1500 radio stations and certainot Jul 2021 #18
Republicans believe in privilege and entitlement bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #25
they project, and they lie NewHendoLib Jul 2021 #26
They appear to believe they have the future tied up peggysue2 Jul 2021 #27
Only 25% of registered voters, voted in the NYC mayoral race. firefly007 Jul 2021 #35
They are using the BIG LIE to DESTROY OUR DEMOCRACY spanone Jul 2021 #37
They're rolling the dice on this voting restriction/nullification gambit and... patphil Jul 2021 #38
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2021 #39
Unfortunately hurple Jul 2021 #40
Unfortunately, Republicans firmly believe everything Trump tells them to believe. olegramps Jul 2021 #43

rampartc

(5,404 posts)
1. they actually believe those things because those beliefs are working for them.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:12 AM
Jul 2021

i will be very pleasantly surprised if we keep the house or senate in 2022

Omnipresent

(5,706 posts)
15. Republicans will lose seats, they'd already shot their wad.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:03 AM
Jul 2021

Last edited Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:39 AM - Edit history (1)

Almost every race against those assholes will include the chaos video of the Jan 6th. Assault on the capital and how they voted to ignore the events that transpired that day.

IrishAfricanAmerican

(3,815 posts)
23. Yep.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:37 AM
Jul 2021

It's going to be a true blue tsunami in the next two elections regardless of any gop meddling.

People have had enough.

Omnipresent

(5,706 posts)
28. We can actually start the Jan6th video footage...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:44 AM
Jul 2021

With the playback of what Jeb bush said at one of the 2016 republican debates.
Jeb said in reference to trump, “Our party doesn’t need a chaos candidate”.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
21. YEP
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:33 AM
Jul 2021

The stupid in this country is beyond belief.

Despite all the OP mentions, the MAJORITY of Americans either believe this crazy shit OR live in a blissful "they are both the same" bubble.

All is takes is one or two of the crazy shit the Rs scream that appeal to the "both siders" and they pick more of them off than not.

We see this shit clear as day. We are a marked minority in this country.

rampartc

(5,404 posts)
32. add their sharpened and refined gerrymander
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:52 AM
Jul 2021

and the laws now passing that allow state legislatures to overturn election results and we have to have great candidates and an incredible turnout to beat them.

gab13by13

(21,309 posts)
5. No they don't believe that.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:29 AM
Jul 2021

They do believe this;

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

The Big Lie gave an excuse for undemocratic voting laws throughout the states. Democrats who are laughing at the fraudit in Arizona are being naive'. The fraudit didn't just take possession of ballots, it took possession of 45 different election documents and apparatus, including voter rolls, applications for absentee ballots, the whole 9 yards were given to a Qanon private entity. Now they want to do the same in my state, Pa. I am shocked that the DOJ has done nothing but write a stern letter.





xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
10. September 14
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:37 AM
Jul 2021

We shall see if Dems turn out and defeat the recall. Postcard writing to GOTV to begin mid July.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
3. And that's all they have- their big lie.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:18 AM
Jul 2021

They have no plans, no policies, no real concerns. They don't care about recovery or infrastructure or jobs or health. The only issue is Trump, and the only concern is Trump.

Walleye

(31,009 posts)
33. Yet, they get tens of millions of people to repeat it constantly
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:53 AM
Jul 2021

Listen to Washington journal in the morning sometimes I am appalled at the depth of ignorance of Americans these days. Like even if they were educated to begin with they’ve had it sucked out of their brains or something

JHB

(37,158 posts)
4. A "reckoning" has been often predicted, but keeps not happening
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:21 AM
Jul 2021

So until it shows up, they'll keep acting like they'll get away with it, because until it shows up, they are getting away with it.

John Ludi

(589 posts)
6. TFG
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:30 AM
Jul 2021

showed us that banking on a lack of accountability is a winning strategy...and THAT is one of the few things that has actually managed to trickle down in our culture.

sop

(10,161 posts)
12. Voting is the only solution.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:45 AM
Jul 2021

Trouble is, many groups always have to be convinced to turn out every election cycle.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
13. Voting is no substiture for justice.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:47 AM
Jul 2021

In my opinion.

But, I would agree that the Democrats believe the voters will decide whether our democracy lives or dies.

sop

(10,161 posts)
29. "Justice" is just a dream without political or economic power.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:47 AM
Jul 2021

And in our system those who don't vote will never achieve political or economic power. Republicans seem to understand this. Many within the Democratic coalition don't.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,998 posts)
30. It's bootrapping and it requires vigilance at all levels. Sometimes justice comes first, as in
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:49 AM
Jul 2021

... the American Revolution. Voting didn't work against King George III.

sop

(10,161 posts)
41. The American Revolution didn't bring about much justice for women, slaves, non-landowners,
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:10 AM
Jul 2021

Native Americans and other groups. That justice required (and still requires) many years of political and economic change, mostly achieved through participation in our democratic process. And in our system voting is the only peaceful way to participate in the democratic process.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
14. They actually believe they will win elections, because Dems can't be bothered to vote.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 09:57 AM
Jul 2021

And they may be right. Whatever obstacles to voting are in place, Republicans somehow vote, no matter what. Democrats have to somehow create incentives to vote, and Dems will vote if they're excited, and if the weather is nice, and, and, and.

We need to somehow convince people that voting is a good thing to do. Period. Not excited? Have a hair appointment? Just vote.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
22. Probably, but Republican voters are also being inconvenienced.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:36 AM
Jul 2021

Repub leaders are counting on "their" voters working through the roadblocks.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
24. Democrats could do better but the problem is the "middle"
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:37 AM
Jul 2021

that believes "both sides are the same."

THEY are the ones dragging us down.

There are three basic groups, the insane ones at a little over 40%, those of us who see this shit clear as day, which is around the same, and those "in the middle" who consistently find a way to ignore all the crazy as shit Rs say and do because they buy into the evil liberal boogyman bullshit.

KS Toronado

(17,200 posts)
36. The days of the middle ignoring all the crazy shit Rs do is over.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jul 2021

The Big Lie & all the other lies they tell about The Big Lie, 605,000 covid 19 deaths & climbing,
Jan 6th insurrection, well known republicans (Lincoln Project for one) telling Rs not to vote for Rs
etc. etc. 2022 & 2024 will reduce their political power down to almost nothing. IMHO

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
44. Doubtful
Fri Jul 9, 2021, 07:34 AM
Jul 2021

Rs have done a LOT of crazy and hurtful stuff over the course of my life, and the country just keeps indulging them.

They lied the country into Iraq, and Bush II ran the country into a ditch - We had a big mid term win and got BHO elected, the country then indulged their making THEIR version of health care reform into the greatest threat this country has ever faced, and chose to usher in the tea party lunatics in the biggest mid term blow out in our lives.

They spent 8 years doing little more than trying to take Bill Clinton down, and the country chose to elected a moron over Al Gore.

People get myopic. Again, WE know how horrible they are, but I look around me and I see pretty much the same as I always see.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
17. Past is prologue...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:12 AM
Jul 2021

they've gotten away with a lot of shit in the past, so no reason to think they won't survive this.

Americans do nothing better than 'put the past behind them' and move on with the status quo.

I hope you're right about how the majority of American people will not be fooled, but the track record ain't all that good.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
18. for authoritarians certainty is more important then truth. and they have 1500 radio stations and
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:26 AM
Jul 2021

fox to help them deny reality and reduce any fear-inducing complication/unpredictability/uncertainty into absolutes that allow them to create certainty

bucolic_frolic

(43,132 posts)
25. Republicans believe in privilege and entitlement
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:38 AM
Jul 2021

They believe they have put in place something equivalent to the "Bernanke put" meaning it can get no worse for them. That is the sheer point we need to focus on. We must make certain they don't bounce in opinion, and we are not irrelevant, and reason prevails, and we don't absorb the blame. Forget the events, the incidents, the lies, the scheming --- that will all wind out in the courts. It's the emotion these public events create that we must manage successfully. We have more control they they do over this, but we must execute well.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
27. They appear to believe they have the future tied up
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:40 AM
Jul 2021

What with voting suppression laws, a majority on SCOTUS and the arrogant, repressive behaviors of several GOP Governors.

Our defense? We fight them everywhere and in 2022 & 2024 we hit the polls in massive, historic numbers. Several back-to-back electoral losses might wake them up.

If not?

They become irrelevant. Bye-bye and good riddance!

firefly007

(9 posts)
35. Only 25% of registered voters, voted in the NYC mayoral race.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:03 AM
Jul 2021

We tend to be our worst enemy when it comes to voting. The big lie won't matter. We'll lose because our voters will be too "busy" to vote.

patphil

(6,169 posts)
38. They're rolling the dice on this voting restriction/nullification gambit and...
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:06 AM
Jul 2021

hoping it doesn't come up snake eyes.
I think they're going to learn a lot about what Americans really want in 2022.
And, it ain't at all about creating a Putin style fake Democracy.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
39. Recommended.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:08 AM
Jul 2021

I remember back in the 1970s, talking (by way of letters) with Rubin about society. He said that it is important to remember that there are people who do not contain any Good. And there are also people who will blindly follow those un-Good people. As tensions rise in our society -- and it is important to recognize that while President Biden IS doing Good -- those in the shadows view it as threatening.

These are the things that I've been thinking about for the last ten days, as health & injuries have kept me non-mobile. By chance, I came across a youtube of an old Lawrence O'Donnell clip, where he highlighted (or, lowlighted) Trump at the National Prayer Breakfast. As Lawrence pointed out, Trump has zero understanding of the concept of "love" beyond his self-love. This led me to re-read some of King's writings. Specifically, his use of three Greek words for love, and their implications.

While we aren't there yet -- not even close -- we must reach a point of understanding not only that the Trump cult's ability to do great harm is due to that lack of Goodness, and its perverted sense of "love" ......but that we must come to actively participate in the redemptive state of being that King taught was urgently needed.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
43. Unfortunately, Republicans firmly believe everything Trump tells them to believe.
Thu Jul 8, 2021, 12:04 PM
Jul 2021

The same millions that voted for him in the last election refuse to believe the truth. This is the fault of total dedication to a party and why I was an Independent until Obama ran for office and I became convinced that could never again vote for any
Republican for any office. As a consequence I proudly registered as a Democrat.

It is sad to say that I have grown to actually despise the every Republican. This extreme position is fully justified by their voting for a man who is totally morally corrupt. I just don't what to associate with or support any Republican regardless if they are a candidate or a member of this despicable party. I justify this by their clear support of establishing a fascist dictatorship. This makes them enemies of the Republic that was established on democratic principles which a cherish as a blessing that I inherited at the cost of many who sacrificed their life to provide me with this inheritance.

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