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Do they actually believe the Democrats are going to forget about what happened on January 6th?
Do they truly think the majority of Americans will believe their "Big Lie"?
Do they believe they can sweep such a traitorous act under the rug and pretend it never happened?
The sooner they come to their senses, the better it will be for them.
They believe they can ride the "Big Lie" thru the next election. And that is the most important event for them.
There is going to be a reckoning. They need to understand that reality.
The Democrats and the majority of the American people will not be fooled by their arrogant disregard for the truth.
rampartc
(5,404 posts)i will be very pleasantly surprised if we keep the house or senate in 2022
Omnipresent
(5,706 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 8, 2021, 10:39 AM - Edit history (1)
Almost every race against those assholes will include the chaos video of the Jan 6th. Assault on the capital and how they voted to ignore the events that transpired that day.
IrishAfricanAmerican
(3,815 posts)It's going to be a true blue tsunami in the next two elections regardless of any gop meddling.
People have had enough.
Omnipresent
(5,706 posts)With the playback of what Jeb bush said at one of the 2016 republican debates.
Jeb said in reference to trump, Our party doesnt need a chaos candidate.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)The stupid in this country is beyond belief.
Despite all the OP mentions, the MAJORITY of Americans either believe this crazy shit OR live in a blissful "they are both the same" bubble.
All is takes is one or two of the crazy shit the Rs scream that appeal to the "both siders" and they pick more of them off than not.
We see this shit clear as day. We are a marked minority in this country.
rampartc
(5,404 posts)and the laws now passing that allow state legislatures to overturn election results and we have to have great candidates and an incredible turnout to beat them.
Walleye
(31,009 posts)gab13by13
(21,309 posts)They do believe this;
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
The Big Lie gave an excuse for undemocratic voting laws throughout the states. Democrats who are laughing at the fraudit in Arizona are being naive'. The fraudit didn't just take possession of ballots, it took possession of 45 different election documents and apparatus, including voter rolls, applications for absentee ballots, the whole 9 yards were given to a Qanon private entity. Now they want to do the same in my state, Pa. I am shocked that the DOJ has done nothing but write a stern letter.
Walleye
(31,009 posts)xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)We shall see if Dems turn out and defeat the recall. Postcard writing to GOTV to begin mid July.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)They have no plans, no policies, no real concerns. They don't care about recovery or infrastructure or jobs or health. The only issue is Trump, and the only concern is Trump.
gab13by13
(21,309 posts)minority rule.
Walleye
(31,009 posts)Listen to Washington journal in the morning sometimes I am appalled at the depth of ignorance of Americans these days. Like even if they were educated to begin with theyve had it sucked out of their brains or something
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Disrupt. Stall. Disrupt. Stall.
Same as it ever was.
JHB
(37,158 posts)So until it shows up, they'll keep acting like they'll get away with it, because until it shows up, they are getting away with it.
I wish people would watch Chris Hayes, he gets it too.
showed us that banking on a lack of accountability is a winning strategy...and THAT is one of the few things that has actually managed to trickle down in our culture.
gab13by13
(21,309 posts)theoretically, the rest of us have a conscience.
sop
(10,161 posts)Trouble is, many groups always have to be convinced to turn out every election cycle.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)In my opinion.
But, I would agree that the Democrats believe the voters will decide whether our democracy lives or dies.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,998 posts)sop
(10,161 posts)And in our system those who don't vote will never achieve political or economic power. Republicans seem to understand this. Many within the Democratic coalition don't.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,998 posts)... the American Revolution. Voting didn't work against King George III.
sop
(10,161 posts)Native Americans and other groups. That justice required (and still requires) many years of political and economic change, mostly achieved through participation in our democratic process. And in our system voting is the only peaceful way to participate in the democratic process.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,998 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)And they may be right. Whatever obstacles to voting are in place, Republicans somehow vote, no matter what. Democrats have to somehow create incentives to vote, and Dems will vote if they're excited, and if the weather is nice, and, and, and.
We need to somehow convince people that voting is a good thing to do. Period. Not excited? Have a hair appointment? Just vote.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,998 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)Repub leaders are counting on "their" voters working through the roadblocks.
Cosmocat
(14,563 posts)that believes "both sides are the same."
THEY are the ones dragging us down.
There are three basic groups, the insane ones at a little over 40%, those of us who see this shit clear as day, which is around the same, and those "in the middle" who consistently find a way to ignore all the crazy as shit Rs say and do because they buy into the evil liberal boogyman bullshit.
KS Toronado
(17,200 posts)The Big Lie & all the other lies they tell about The Big Lie, 605,000 covid 19 deaths & climbing,
Jan 6th insurrection, well known republicans (Lincoln Project for one) telling Rs not to vote for Rs
etc. etc. 2022 & 2024 will reduce their political power down to almost nothing. IMHO
Cosmocat
(14,563 posts)Rs have done a LOT of crazy and hurtful stuff over the course of my life, and the country just keeps indulging them.
They lied the country into Iraq, and Bush II ran the country into a ditch - We had a big mid term win and got BHO elected, the country then indulged their making THEIR version of health care reform into the greatest threat this country has ever faced, and chose to usher in the tea party lunatics in the biggest mid term blow out in our lives.
They spent 8 years doing little more than trying to take Bill Clinton down, and the country chose to elected a moron over Al Gore.
People get myopic. Again, WE know how horrible they are, but I look around me and I see pretty much the same as I always see.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)they've gotten away with a lot of shit in the past, so no reason to think they won't survive this.
Americans do nothing better than 'put the past behind them' and move on with the status quo.
I hope you're right about how the majority of American people will not be fooled, but the track record ain't all that good.
Cosmocat
(14,563 posts)pretty much how I see it, too.
certainot
(9,090 posts)fox to help them deny reality and reduce any fear-inducing complication/unpredictability/uncertainty into absolutes that allow them to create certainty
bucolic_frolic
(43,132 posts)They believe they have put in place something equivalent to the "Bernanke put" meaning it can get no worse for them. That is the sheer point we need to focus on. We must make certain they don't bounce in opinion, and we are not irrelevant, and reason prevails, and we don't absorb the blame. Forget the events, the incidents, the lies, the scheming --- that will all wind out in the courts. It's the emotion these public events create that we must manage successfully. We have more control they they do over this, but we must execute well.
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)peggysue2
(10,828 posts)What with voting suppression laws, a majority on SCOTUS and the arrogant, repressive behaviors of several GOP Governors.
Our defense? We fight them everywhere and in 2022 & 2024 we hit the polls in massive, historic numbers. Several back-to-back electoral losses might wake them up.
If not?
They become irrelevant. Bye-bye and good riddance!
firefly007
(9 posts)We tend to be our worst enemy when it comes to voting. The big lie won't matter. We'll lose because our voters will be too "busy" to vote.
spanone
(135,826 posts)GOD DAMN THEM.
patphil
(6,169 posts)hoping it doesn't come up snake eyes.
I think they're going to learn a lot about what Americans really want in 2022.
And, it ain't at all about creating a Putin style fake Democracy.
H2O Man
(73,536 posts)I remember back in the 1970s, talking (by way of letters) with Rubin about society. He said that it is important to remember that there are people who do not contain any Good. And there are also people who will blindly follow those un-Good people. As tensions rise in our society -- and it is important to recognize that while President Biden IS doing Good -- those in the shadows view it as threatening.
These are the things that I've been thinking about for the last ten days, as health & injuries have kept me non-mobile. By chance, I came across a youtube of an old Lawrence O'Donnell clip, where he highlighted (or, lowlighted) Trump at the National Prayer Breakfast. As Lawrence pointed out, Trump has zero understanding of the concept of "love" beyond his self-love. This led me to re-read some of King's writings. Specifically, his use of three Greek words for love, and their implications.
While we aren't there yet -- not even close -- we must reach a point of understanding not only that the Trump cult's ability to do great harm is due to that lack of Goodness, and its perverted sense of "love" ......but that we must come to actively participate in the redemptive state of being that King taught was urgently needed.
hurple
(1,306 posts)Polls are showing otherwise...
olegramps
(8,200 posts)The same millions that voted for him in the last election refuse to believe the truth. This is the fault of total dedication to a party and why I was an Independent until Obama ran for office and I became convinced that could never again vote for any
Republican for any office. As a consequence I proudly registered as a Democrat.
It is sad to say that I have grown to actually despise the every Republican. This extreme position is fully justified by their voting for a man who is totally morally corrupt. I just don't what to associate with or support any Republican regardless if they are a candidate or a member of this despicable party. I justify this by their clear support of establishing a fascist dictatorship. This makes them enemies of the Republic that was established on democratic principles which a cherish as a blessing that I inherited at the cost of many who sacrificed their life to provide me with this inheritance.