I'm not a Lawyer, but I can predict the outcome of this case...

[brooklynite]

Prosecutors maintain that Pauline Bauer, owner of a Pennsylvania pizza parlor, took part in the Jan 6th insurrection and reportedly told Capitol police "bring Nancy Pelosi out here now… we want to hang that f*cking b*tch."

Weill reports that Bauer is using a sovereign citizen defense -- saying she doesn't recognize the laws of the U.S. government -- and that she is operating under "divine guidance."

According to the report, "Prosecutors allege that Bauer tried organizing buses to transport people to D.C. for a rally that preceded the riot, and that while in the Capitol rotunda she told police that she wanted to kill House Speaker Nancy Pelosi," with Weill adding, "But in what experts describe as an inadvisable legal strategy, Bauer has demanded to represent herself in court, appeared to threaten a court clerk with prison time, and declared herself a 'self-governed individual' with special legal privileges."

In a Zoom appearance before the court, Bauer told the judge, "I am here by special divine appearance, a living soul," before adding, "I do not stand under the law. Under Genesis 1, God gave man dominion over the law."

https://www.alternet.org/amp/pauline-bauer-2653744779

I’m guessing that she’s angry that Trump isn’t running the Government she doesn’t believe in?

[Sneederbunk]

1. Judges love the sovereign citizen defense.

[Volaris]

5. Right?

I dont recognize the authority of this court!!!
Well, the authority of this court is about to 'recognize' the fuck out of your contemptuous dumb ass.

[joetheman]

67. Take back ALL that Pandemic aid she received from uncle Joe and close her business down if

she doesn't pay it back by a date certain.

[rownesheck]

2. Shouldn't anyone who doesn't believe in our laws,

be booted out of the country?

[Mariana]

8. No. Their delusions don't change reality.

They are US citizens, regardless of whether or not they believe it.

[NNadir]

10. If they violate the laws in our country, the answer is no.

They should be allowed to exercise their "freedumb" in a prison cell.

[Progressive Jones]

39. Yes. Permanent removal of citizenship, along with forced exile. nt

[TigressDem]

55. Maybe we could build them an island out of all the trash floating out there?

It could be like a LUXURY RESORT, just you stay there indefinitely. NOT a vacation. You work to earn your food and shelter. You leave there when you find some country willing to take in your crazy self.


https://theoceancleanup.com/great-pacific-garbage-patch/



https://www.cnn.com/style/article/plastic-resort-scli-intl/index.html

[magicarpet]

3. Call a carpenter,...

Have him make a wooden cross,...

Then crucify her in the courtroom.

Then she will be happy.

[flying_wahini]

4. Oh yes, let's do!

[jmowreader]

22. You don't even need a carpenter for that.

Take a 16-foot 2x8 and get the lumber associate at Home Depot to cut six feet off one end. Use 3-inch deck screws to fasten them together in the shape of a cross. Use 60-penny nails to attach the sovereign citizen to it. It’s easy. Anyone with a cordless drill and a 3-pound sledgehammer can do it.

[magicarpet]

53. Good to go,....

That is what she wants,.... So that is what she gets,....

[PJMcK]

6. Sovereign Citizen stupidity

Here are some questions for Pauline Bauer who claims she doesn't recognize our laws.

1. Do you have a driver's license? They're issued by your state government.
2. Is your car or truck registered, licensed and insured? Those are governmental regulations.
3. Do you pay Federal income tax? This one's kind of obvious.
4. When you buy things, do you pay any sales taxes? More government for providing services.
5. Do you use the roads and bridges? Government pays for these things.
6. If your house were on fire, would you call the fire department? They're part of the government.
7. Do you have any money in a bank or invested? Government regulations protect you from fraud.
8. Do you expect the U.S. Armed Forces to protect you and the nation from foreign aggression? Yep, that's the government again.
9. Do you send your kids to public schools? This service is provided by the government.
10. Do you collect Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid? These are government programs.

Bauer is an idiot and her "defense" has already been rejected by many courts in other cases. Does she think she'll get a different outcome?

My goodness, she must be very special.

[Captain Zero]

19. I know a car with SOV. Citizen license plate on it.

The Sovereign Citizen plate says something about Moorish Nation and has a number on it.

I noticed he always backs into a parking spot where you can only see the plate if you are walking on sidewalk behind the car.

So he may not have much confidence in it's legality. But he's making me pay more taxes with that shit. Not sure how he fares out on street getting pulled over with it.

[GoCubsGo]

49. The Moorish Nation aren't white nationalists.

They're African-Americans. They're an anti-government, "sovereign citizen" group, like the Bundy Family, and just another flavor of "We don't recognize the government, and we think that gives us a pass when we commit tax evasion and a myriad of other crimes."

[Fritz Walter]

27. One more question

Do you vote?

So-called sovereign citizens should be removed from voter registration rolls. And they should welcome that news, since they show utter contempt and hatred for our current form of government. Indeed, they should actively, willingly, enthusiastically disenfranchise themselves.

[tikka]

35. Probably a bad precedent, but I agree with the sentiment.

[PJMcK]

45. Great point!

Thanks.

[CTyankee]

63. The answer you will get will always be "But in my case, it's different."

[UpInArms]

7. If she believes she is not a US citizen,

she should have that citizenship revoked and be kicked out as an illegal alien

[dawg day]

12. Absolutely--

Let her emigrate to that "Sovereign" country.

[sop]

9. Her God has an idiot for a client.

[treestar]

11. One who thinks the law does not apply to them

is generally called a "criminal."

[reACTIONary]

31. Even criminals understand that the law...

... applies to them and that they benefit from it. This goes way beyond criminal.

[Mr.Bill]

34. And if they are a republican,

they are sometimes called "president".

[kairos12]

13. When she loses

she will claim incompetent counsel and drag the case on.

[XanaDUer2]

14. Grandiose nt

[bringthePaine]

15. straightup psycho, a danger to herself and others - not really complicated, is it?

[bucolic_frolic]

16. They attempt to separate themselves from the law by injecting religion into the mix

I've searched the internets the world over, I cannot find a recipe that includes baking my religious beliefs into a cake.

History tells me it take real transubstantiation to do that. And Henry VIII wouldn't agree.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

17. No lawyer wanted paid in "Bauer dollars", I presume?

Genuine cash, from the Pauline Republic!

[RobinA]

46. In My Experience

they tend not to hire lawyers, because lawyers work for the government (sic).

[Mr. Evil]

18. Let me guess.

She owns a pizza parlor. Just how did she conduct business? She gladly accepted US currency as payment for her pies.
Another fucking republiqan psycho fraud.

Sovereign Citizen... just another euphemism for 'grifter.'

[Progressive Jones]

41. I want to know how much child sex trafficking goes on at that pizza joint. nt

[Mr. Evil]

43. I smell a basement!

[TigressDem]

56. Maybe the whole Reich Wing had the WRONG Pizza Parlor for their supposed "Clinton Sex Crimes"

Does she have a basement?


Because the supposed Pizza Parlor where Clintons were operating supposed child sex trafficking site from the basement DID NOT HAVE A BASEMENT.


Maybe the ACTUAL sex trafficking site was a SOVEREIGN CITIZEN Pizza Establishment in the first place?

Isn't that how the whole Reich Wing establishes probable cause? IT'S A PIZZA PARLOR - PARLOR you know what that means?

Anyway.

She's nuts and so is this whole crazy response to a loser in chief who won't admit the truth.

[Warpy]

20. I knew deinstitutionalization would bite us in the ass

The state mental hospital system needed one hell of a lot of changes, but scrapping it completely with cheap ass conservatives refusing to fund community based care has been a disaster.

Chances are this poor deluded twit would be in for a few weeks, stabilized on meds, and then sent home. Now she'll go to jail, which will serve no one but the vengeful.

[RobinA]

47. I Work For

a state hospital system in competence restoration. We do get our share of sovereign citizens, because they are often assessed as incompetent. It’s tough to figure out what to call a delusion and what not to.

[TigressDem]

57. I'm guessing admitting to police that you want to get into the Capitol to kill Nancy Pelosi...

and then claiming that you are within your rights as a Sovereign Citizen is pretty clear cut?

If she's her own nation, she just declared war on the US. How delusional is that?

[lindysalsagal]

74. I'm guessing that "delusion" isn't a box, it's a continuum. Half the country occupies

the middle: the half that voted GQP in 2020.

This woman is probably a fair ways down from that, but not yet approaching "Jesus Reincarnate" territory.

Somewhere closer to fully rational is where I place all the religiously devout.

Personally, I placed the late Robin Williams at the furthest end of "fully sane and conscious", because he could see everyone exactly as they were, and was even able to find the humor in it all.

[George II]

21. "I do not stand under the law"...I think she meant "I do not understand the law"!

[RobinA]

48. Sovereigns

and their ilk play a lot of word games. This is a common one.

[Ford_Prefect]

23. "...has a fool for a client."

Idiocracy is its own reward.

[Sibelius Fan]

24. Another elitist, self aggrandizing Christian.

[twodogsbarking]

26. Thou shalt not mention Christian in a negative way.

The moderators will threaten you with eternal damnation.
Ironic, don't ya think ?

[TigressDem]

60. People like this are using Christianity as a badge to hide behind.

Just like Derek Chauvin was a murderer hiding behind a badge does not make every police officer a murderer.

A person using "Christianity" as a defensive badge to make themselves seem more legitimate DOES NOT make every other person who actually reads the Bible and follows the example of Christ a sham.

A FAILED CHRISTIAN does not make ALL OTHER CHRISTIANS a Sham.

Not every cop is a murderer and not every Christian is a crazy reich wing idiot.

Does that make any sense?

[Mariana]

75. Whoever suggested that ALL Christians are like her?

Lots of Christians are like her, that's just a fact.

[TigressDem]

59. More like a FAILED Christian

Genesis 1 does not give man sovereignty over the "LAW" because there was NO LAW at the time.

There was ONE RULE in the Garden of Eden, DO NOT EAT FROM THAT ONE TREE.

You have dominion over all the other plants and animals.

There was ONE RULE and they could not follow that ONE RULE.

SHE DOESN'T GET THE LESSON.

Rebelling against authority is NOT your God given right.

THIS IS A FAILED CHRISTIAN who does not understand and probably hasn't actually READ the Bible with ANY TYPE of understanding.

[twodogsbarking]

64. Not everyone believes what you are professing.

The moderators are watching.

[TigressDem]

68. And what do you think I am professing?

My main point is that people like this don't even know the Bible, are not good examples of Christians, so are therefore FAILED Christians who are using it as an excuse to behave in an evil manner.

Highest ranking example are the Medici family who infiltrated the Catholic Church and ran it like a mafia.

Were they baptized? Yes

Did some of them even rise to become Popes? Yes

Did they actually get and live the message of Christ? NO

So therefore, they are failed at being Christians. They did it to obtain power and abuse that power.

THAT IS NOT THE MESSAGE of Christianity.

Anyone who really understands the life and teachings of Christ and takes it to heart would not do these things.

[twodogsbarking]

69. A lot.

[TigressDem]

70. Interesting. So you got nothing?

I thought that the whole "anti-Christian" folks were all about facts.

And when I ask you about what it is you are objecting to specifically all you can do is sputter? No real answer there.

Sounds a little trollish to me.


IF you can give me a sound reason to change my mind, I might be able to listen.

But this is just static and punching posts for no reason.

You think I am the one moderators should be concerned about?

Sounds like projection if you ask me.

[twodogsbarking]

71. You win.

[TigressDem]

72. Not looking for a "win" looking for intelligent discussion.

IF someone thinks something I do is out of line, I'd like to know why so I can see about a more reasonable approach that still gets a point across without alienating people.

On DU I have found a lot of good feedback from a variety of people. Atheists, pagans, druids, science minded, Buddhists etc.

My only request in all of this is that not all people who believe in Christ and his message are like these people calling themselves Christians and using that as a reason to subjugate others or get out of their responsibilities to the country to behave as decent citizens.

Because in any real sense subjugating others and rebelling against a government that is trying to be fair and also help those in need is SO AGAINST Christian principals that it is mind boggling.

I don't get why asking that not all Christians be thrown under the bus when these people use Christianity as an excuse to misbehave is in any way wrong.

Prejudice can come in many forms and I think most DEMS are against prejudice. So I thought it was helpful to point it out.

[Sibelius Fan]

65. Why make excuses for the racist, paternalistic, misogynistic clap trap

of the Buy-bull?

The Garden of Eden? Seriously? You’re citing that fairy tale to support your argument? Might as well quote Bugs Bunny.

[TigressDem]

66. What I am saying is that these people "calling themselves Christian" are going AGAINST Christianity

SO IF she is relying on Genisis 1, she isn't even getting it right.

There was NO LAW at that time in the origin story. Unless you count the one rule, don't eat from that tree.

Which they disobeyed and got them kicked out of the garden.

So IF this person is relying on Christianity to give her dominion over "the law" she isn't standing on any firm foundation.

WHAT I am saying is that it is clear to a Christian that this woman is full of shit.

NOT giving her any excuses.

Just asking that not ALL CHRISTIANS be thrown under the bus for a failed example.

[Mariana]

76. Yes, yes. And they say you're going against Christianity.

She's doing Christianity wrong in your opinion. They believe the same about you. And no one here has suggested that ALL Christians are like her.

[twodogsbarking]

77. What I hear is "I am a Christian but I'm not like those other Christians."

That is entirely ok with me.

[Sibelius Fan]

78. But Christianity is a failed moral and societal system, because it's based on make believe,

paternalistic, racist and misogynistic mores. The only thing keeping it at all relevant these days is to ignore the above while replacing the bad stuff with Enlightenment principles that are not to be found in the Buy-Bull.

One can discard the whole of Christianity and not toss out human beings who identify as Christians, because in fact, the large percentage of what makes human beings “good people” is nowhere to be found in the holy books.

[TigressDem]

79. SO every work of fiction is bullshit? Every character invented has nothing to teach anyone.

Teaching people to be honest, to not steal, to not kill is a failed moral code?

It's in the Bible, so it's bad an wrong and people should lie and steal and kill because that is not what makes people good, following the teachings in the Bible has to be wrong because you say so.

We'd all be Vikings if not for the Church 900 AD, but hey maybe it would be better. We'd have never gotten to the Enlightenment in 1600's because we'd still be out there acting like clans and marauders, conquering the world. I'm part Norwegian so I've looked at the history. https://www.historyonthenet.com/vikings-from-pagans-to-christians

I am not saying that Christianity is for everyone, but if a person really looks to the example of Jesus you live as someone who cares about others and treats people with respect.

Can a person still be moral without Christianity? Sure. There are a lot of great paths now, but society did not pop up completely formed in the 1600's and everything else before and after was crap. It was a process and whether you like it or not, Christianity did help humans become more evolved as people.

Has it also been abused by people in power? Yes.

Are the people in the Reich Wing disgusting and calling it Christian values? Yes. But it does not add up.

You have not read the New Testament if you can disregard the message of Christ so completely. His example and teachings aren't all bad.

[twodogsbarking]

80. Not everyone believes what you profess.

[twodogsbarking]

25. If her business is audited I would bet she cheats on taxes.

Pizza shops (not all ) are notorious for this.

[TeamProg]

28. I'd love to see the math. The % of Nut Cases doing really crazy stuff, cons or libs..

It's GOT to be 99 % conservatives.

[Maggiemayhem]

29. She was released on PR

To go on vacation July 4 to Mt Rushmore.

[TigressDem]

73. You have GOT to be kidding me.

She is a nut job.

For her own safety she should not be anywhere near high places.

She could suddenly believe she can fly.

[JHB]

30. Does her pizza parlor have... a BASEMENT?

[2naSalit]

40. Inquiring minds need to know!

[druidity33]

51. Stole that GIF. Thanks! nt.

[Vinca]

36. If ever a trial needed to be televised, this is the one. Sovereign citizen defense. I love it.

[Jedi Guy]

37. Sovereign citizens really are the gift that keeps on giving. They never fail to be comical. N/T

[world wide wally]

38. As soon as the word "sovereign" is used... You know they are a basket case.(example #3989)

[Progressive Jones]

42. I'll bet the pizza sucks. Sorry, I'm a pizza elitist from Chicago. nt

[Botany]

58. Cafe Luigi Pizza on Clark St.?

I think that was the one I went to in late Oct. 2018 .... really good and filling too.
A small or medium sized pie was enough for 2 meals.

[Progressive Jones]

62. I've heard of it. I've never been there. nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

44. This lady is going to find out that a person who represents herself has a fool for a client

[Maeve]

61. And an ass for a lawyer!

[Blue Owl]

52. K&R

[TigressDem]

54. Size large straight jacket?

EVEN IF she is denying that the Biden administration is a legally functioning government, threatening to kill someone is illegal in ANY jurisdiction, so she's simply nuts.

LOCKED WARD! Get ready.

Genesis 1... there WAS NO LAW at that time. Ergo no dominion of something that did NOT exist at that point.

There was ONE RULE in the Garden of Eden. DON'T EAT from THAT TREE.

Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden for being rebellious and were evicted in order to live with the consequences for their choice.

SO getting jailed or locked up is going to give her time to think about THAT.

Maybe she'll have time to actually READ the Bible.