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Yavin4

(35,420 posts)
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 01:25 AM Jul 2021

The best way forward in the COVID-19 fight is for the FDA to give full approval to the vaccines.

This would allow businesses, health insurance companies, schools, our military, and other organizations to mandate that the vaccines be taken. That would push us over the threshold needed for herd immunity. The FDA has plenty of data to make this decision.

Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that the FDA giving Covid vaccines full approval is “only a technical issue” and that the hundreds of millions of people across the world who have been vaccinated serve as evidence that “the effectiveness and the safety of the vaccines are very high.”


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/11/fauci-vaccines-covid-approval-fda-499158

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/asa-hutchinson-covid-19-vaccines-fda-face-the-nation/
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The best way forward in the COVID-19 fight is for the FDA to give full approval to the vaccines. (Original Post) Yavin4 Jul 2021 OP
I agree! The FDA needs to give Full Approval to the vaccines! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2021 #1
There's a process. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #2
Sorry, but nothing will ever appease the conspiracy minded. Yavin4 Jul 2021 #3
Disregarding the process will create doubt not only among the skeptics - Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #11
No shit. 334,151,648 doses administered in the U.S. dalton99a Jul 2021 #4
I disagree. That would be the quickest way to begin the process of doing away with the Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #5
It should be done following the process. Voltaire2 Jul 2021 #6
How is wanting to save lives political. boston bean Jul 2021 #7
You are confusing the motive with the process fescuerescue Jul 2021 #10
I don't think so. boston bean Jul 2021 #12
Most of the process isn't time bound. It procedure bound fescuerescue Jul 2021 #15
And in the meantime, thousands will die and new variants will be discovered. Is that okay with you? Yavin4 Jul 2021 #16
What difference does it make? fescuerescue Jul 2021 #17
The right would just accuse the FDA of being part of the conspiracy. Binkie The Clown Jul 2021 #8
Then it would just be seen a political approval fescuerescue Jul 2021 #9
The process is the same. The time it takes could be different. They got over 300M guinea pigs just boston bean Jul 2021 #13
It usually takes YEARS fescuerescue Jul 2021 #14
I know a vaccine-hesitant person who states that as their main concern. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #18

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,516 posts)
1. I agree! The FDA needs to give Full Approval to the vaccines!
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 01:52 AM
Jul 2021

We need to remove that as a dodge for those who won't accept the provisional status the vaccines currently have.

Enough is enough!

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
2. There's a process.
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 02:07 AM
Jul 2021

If we start side-stepping the process it may result in more entities requiring vaccination, but it will make people less confident that it was a scientific, rather than political, approval. Remember how skeptical some here were of the vaccine when Trump started talking about "Warp Speed"? The same thing will happen if we "warp speed" the approval process from the other side.

Yavin4

(35,420 posts)
3. Sorry, but nothing will ever appease the conspiracy minded.
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 02:19 AM
Jul 2021

Whether we wait the full six months, or a year, or ten years for approval, they will still cry about the process.

Besides, their "opinion" is meaningless here. What is important here is to give businesses, schools, health insurance companies, etc. the tool they need to mandate the vaccine. People will still have the option to not get it, but it will come with severe costs, e.g. higher insurance premiums.

This is the only way forward.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
11. Disregarding the process will create doubt not only among the skeptics -
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 11:58 AM
Jul 2021

but also among those of us who rely on the process to provide a reasonable amount of protection.

Both Moderna and Pfizer have already requested regular approval. The process will take closer to 6 months than 10 years.

Since "they" won't trust it, regardless of when it arrives, it is irresponsible to undercut the process which the rest of us do rely on.

Scrivener7

(50,901 posts)
5. I disagree. That would be the quickest way to begin the process of doing away with the
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 05:51 AM
Jul 2021

FDA or seriously watering down its effectiveness. And, flawed as it is, that would be a disaster.

This is an emergency. We bypassed some parts of the approval process because it is an emergency. That doesn't mean the approval process should be changed.

Voltaire2

(12,939 posts)
6. It should be done following the process.
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 06:40 AM
Jul 2021

Not the politics. These are the technical issues fauci is referring to.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
10. You are confusing the motive with the process
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 10:16 AM
Jul 2021

The motive is a good one. Save lives. The process is testing and monitoring.

If you change the process because of the motive, then it becomes political.

boston bean

(36,217 posts)
12. I don't think so.
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jul 2021

The process would be the same. Why does it have to be the same length of time? It doesn’t. Over 300M does have been given to Americans. Move along with it already.

Never before have we had this type of rollout. So, why doesn’t if follow it be done quicker. That is not political. It’s common sense.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
15. Most of the process isn't time bound. It procedure bound
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 01:40 PM
Jul 2021

It just happens that the procedures take ALOT of time.

It's already moving along at a 10 to 30 times pace. If this weren't a pandemic, we wouldn't see public rollout till the 2025 or 2030.

I think everyone appreciates the urgency. But there becomes an upper limit at how fast we can move from point A to Point B.

I'm sure if it could be done faster, Biden would do it.

Yavin4

(35,420 posts)
16. And in the meantime, thousands will die and new variants will be discovered. Is that okay with you?
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 02:42 PM
Jul 2021

Also, no, the unvaccinated won't wear masks and quarantine, and their governors won't pass any mask mandates into law. So that avenue is closed.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
17. What difference does it make?
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 11:02 AM
Jul 2021

Whats okay with me is irrelevant.

This is a facts discussion. I do not have the power to change the facts to suit my wishes.

But isn't it better to understand whats going on, instead of just being sad about it?

I'm quite satisfied that President Biden is moving as fast as humanly possible. For those who feel differently they should write him a letter and explain what he's doing wrong.


Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
8. The right would just accuse the FDA of being part of the conspiracy.
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 09:56 AM
Jul 2021

The only cure for stupidity is .....
Oh wait. There is no cure for stupidity.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
9. Then it would just be seen a political approval
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 10:14 AM
Jul 2021

foley for the purpose of getting more people take it.

No. It needs to continue to follow the scientific route. Not the political route.

boston bean

(36,217 posts)
13. The process is the same. The time it takes could be different. They got over 300M guinea pigs just
Mon Jul 12, 2021, 12:49 PM
Jul 2021

In the US. Come on. Get a a move on.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
18. I know a vaccine-hesitant person who states that as their main concern.
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jul 2021

Let's get it done. I don't think any drug has ever been so widely tested before.

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