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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCNN reported this morning that Social Security Commissioner Andrew Saul who Biden fired ....
... went to work this morning anyway. I don't know if he went into his office or was planning on working
remotely from his home. What is the matter with these people? "They" are really testing the limits on what
they can try to get away with on all fronts.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/09/politics/social-security-commissioner-fired-by-biden/index.html
Oh BTW Biden fired him Saul, because he refused to resign.
I might have part of this post wrong I only heard CNN's reporting on this one time and from another room.
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Update they turned off Saul's access to his work computer.
Siwsan
(26,251 posts)Swipe badge to enter the building, computer log in, email, the works.
Delmette2.0
(4,158 posts)wnylib
(21,346 posts)that he said he intended to go to work on Mondsy by logging in from home.
My first thought was that they would have - or should have - deactivated his access.
He is claiming that he was appointed to serve a specific term which prevents him from being terminated. But the SC has ruled that the president CAN terminate appointed employees. Can't appeal it higher than that.
This is all political theater to support the magat claim that TFG won and Biden has no authority.
PatSeg
(47,282 posts)These people are insane. What planet do they live on? Meanwhile, did he happen to notice all the people that Trump terminated who were appointed to serve a specific term?
wnylib
(21,346 posts)intended to support their claim that Biden is an illegitimate president and has no authority.
PatSeg
(47,282 posts)in their puny little minds, it might become true. Trump made denying reality the norm and it trickled down.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)Magats get to whine about the "harm" being done by an illegitimate president firing "good" people who were appointed by the "rightful" president.
More fuel for the insurrectionist fire.
Tiger8
(432 posts)The only thing that stops them is something physical.
Just like the anti-mask crazies, where security must forcibly remove them from the airplane, as they are punching, spitting and yelling threats.
Is this arrogance, stupidity, or an anti-social personality disorder?
wnylib
(21,346 posts)leaders who have sold the idea to their followers that it is a righteous cause of defending the nation.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)until he resigned to run for some other office. Even now, there's an interim director. Why Trump never got around to appointing someone else to run the agency just to stick it to the Dems, I have no idea.
PatSeg
(47,282 posts)and is constantly distracted by petty crap. When there were very real and urgent issues to address, he was busy on Twitter attacking people who criticized him or that he didn't feel were loyal enough. Of course, he didn't really give a damn about the CFPB and probably wished it would just disappear.
Aristus
(66,294 posts)Odd.
Republicans usually love that shit...
wnylib
(21,346 posts)But that assumes that the one doing the firing is a legitimate boss. They do not accept Biden as the legitimate president, so they feel entitled to defy him.
treestar
(82,383 posts)will disappear when expedient.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)If someone was fired, I would be notified immediately, and I had a program to revoke all computer access that would do so in under a minute. This sort of thing is routine. Also, the badge would be seized immediately on the person's being notified of the firing; if the person was working from home, security at the front desk would be told not to admit the person. Again, typical actions done if someone is fired.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Standard procedure when someone is fired. Then walk them out the door.
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)wnylib
(21,346 posts)Chainfire
(17,474 posts)Do these people thing that we are out of jail space?
wnylib
(21,346 posts)It's a magat insurrectionist refusal to accept that Biden has presidential authority because they insist that TFG won and will be reinstated in August.
Chainfire
(17,474 posts)wnylib
(21,346 posts)that Biden won and has presidential authority.
Theatrical, yes, but also subversive and seditionist.
NJCher
(35,622 posts)Did he wear his Id prefer not to T-shirt?
I feel bad for Biden. They left a host of difficult problems to solve and now we have two clowns running around pretending they are still in their jobs.
Doc Sportello
(7,488 posts)Oh, Bartleby, oh humanity.
thucythucy
(8,039 posts)Sad times....
Doc Sportello
(7,488 posts)True.
lastlib
(23,166 posts)PatSeg
(47,282 posts)They were human copy machines.
jmowreader
(50,530 posts)In the old days when you busted someone for committing some sort of heinous deed, all the charging paperwork had to be exact. There was a case made famous by sovereign citizens where someone was busted for driving without a license, and the officer wrote the words drivers license on the ticket. At the time, the state (it was Texas) called that document operators license, and the offender successfully appealed on grounds there was no such thing as a drivers license in Texas. The Lege fixed that shit immediately, but today they would have called it a scriveners error and the conviction would stand.
The real impetus was drug cases. Way too many people were getting off because the cop misspelled the name of the drug - weed is a big one; according to the law of every state the correct legal spelling of weed is marihuana. If that spelling was good enough for Harry Anslinger, it is good enough for you. People were getting their cases thrown out because the cop wrote marijuana on the ticket.
reACTIONary
(5,768 posts)Danmel
(4,908 posts)JI7
(89,241 posts)Which reports that he said he will show up anyways. So is there any updated information on whether he actually did show up somewhere or do anything ?
Someone said the job has been from home so it would have most likely involved logging in somewhere which he may not have been able to anymore.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)He likes the paycheck and wants to continue receiving a six figure salary so he thought this would prove his loyalty to his former boss and the right wing cretins in this country.
Botany
(70,449 posts)... elected representative democracy. Don't like the out come of an election? Hire some nut balls
to do a phony recount and make it so people can't vote. Or in the case of Florida 2000, bush v
Gore get the supreme court to stop counting the votes. Don't want Joe Biden to get a win over
a deadly pandemic tell people not to take the vaccines even though they themselves have gotten
the vaccine. aka having sick and or dead people is better than have a democratic President. Wanna
see liberal cry? Have a program to shoot wolves and then kill their pups in their dens.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)Trump is/will be president. They have to be dealt with swiftly. These are not reality functioning people, but filled with delusional behavior. ... and many follow them that are the same. We have millions of really F'ed up people in the US.
NJCher
(35,622 posts)This not reality functioning person was in charge of one of our most important programs, vital to seniors across the country!!
XanaDUer2
(10,557 posts)They're making it hard to get ssdi They're evil. Glad he's fired
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)How, anyone can support this ass is beyond me. How, can any sane person look at this guy and support and vote for him. The US really has some mass mental difficulties to me.
lindysalsagal
(20,592 posts)Invalidate his door key, give away his parking space....Get a restraining order....
Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)area51
(11,897 posts)They're so supportive of the right to fire, aka right to work policies, until they happen to them.
Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)LaMouffette
(2,020 posts)Just like Milton in Office Space!
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PatSeg
(47,282 posts)Dave says
(4,616 posts)hadEnuf
(2,177 posts)He has been fired. Period.
Have security physically remove him if necessary. Disable all of his accounts and clearances.
He is a disgruntled former employee and given the track record of his party, any further contact from him should be considered as a potential threat.
We need to stop allowing scum to get away with whatever they want.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)oldsoftie
(12,492 posts)Even walling off his office door!
One time Kramer started working at a company that never hire or paid him Until he turned in a report that was so awful he was tossed out
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)oldsoftie
(12,492 posts)PatrickforB
(14,559 posts)A disruptive day for the staff, for sure.
Saul is just another cell in the Trump cancer.
yes
but I'll bet a lot of them will be smirking and having that oh so satisfied feeling of seeing someone get his due.
Maine Abu El Banat
(3,479 posts)Texin
(2,590 posts)If he is using SSA logins (STILL) from his home, have the FBI raid his house and arrest his ass. Good gawd. How is this allowed to continue?
toughtony
(88 posts)They can disable his domain account. This locks him completely out of the system. They can deactivate his building access badge--this can be done without actually taking the physical badge. Hey THIS SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE AS PART OF HIS OUT PROCESSING. Maybe that's what's happening now. Hopefully he doesn't steal anything. I believe alot of these trump appointments are Russian assets.
getagrip_already
(14,647 posts)There would be a keycard reader they would have to swipe. He would have to sit in visitor parking.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)It seems simple to me, remove any access he has and have him escorted from the building by security.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)For one thing, Saul works remotely from his home in New York, so there is no building to escort him from.
Secondly, until recently, it would not have been possible for Biden to fire him. There are a number of positions that are insulated from direct presidential firing authority, and this position used to be one of them. However, under a recent court ruling made in the context of Trump wanting to fire the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, Saul is most likely able to be fired by the president. Saul disputes that conclusion, so it may simply go to court.
Not really as interesting as the active imaginations here, but the facts are usually more boring...
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-low-drama-of-work-from-home
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)And his paycheck terminated???
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)The paycheck is pretty irrelevant anyway, since that's not going to put a crimp in his lifestyle one way or the other. But disputes over authority to fire a government official are pretty routine. He can file a claim and have it adjudicated if he'd like. Anyone has a right to do that. He's simply preserving his dispute. He'll lose, but it's not the end of the world for this sort of dispute to arise.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)This decision made it possible:
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10029896592
Note the comments opposing it at the time.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Quite interesting!
The Unmitigated Gall
(3,786 posts)Straight to the curb, give him a red stapler for his service and put him firmly in his car.
IbogaProject
(2,789 posts)Arrest him and charge him if he gets to log on beyond today.
Trying to log in after you are fired is a crime.
Iggo
(47,536 posts)Botany
(70,449 posts)10 second answer ... "We don't speak about terminated employees."
3Hotdogs
(12,332 posts)Just dont pay him.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)The way the statute is written, he can only be fired with cause. He does not serve at the pleasure of the President. So like any employee, he can appeal his termination and it will go through the system.
But of course he is doing this stuff for purely political reasons.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)in a statement. I had quoted what had been reported by WaPo in a LBN OP here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142767461
From WaPo's report -
So I expect they have all of the "for cause" reasons cited in whatever notice they sent to him (haven't been able to find a copy of that online anywhere yet).
The WaPo article went on to note this -
Last year, the court ruled that a law protecting the director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau from presidential supervision violated the separation of powers, leading Biden to remove Trumps appointee his first day in office. The court issued a similar decision in late June, ruling that the president has the authority to remove the director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which oversees the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Biden replaced the Trump-appointed agency head on that same day. The June decision raised the prospect that the head of the Social Security Administration would be next.
The bolded part distinguishes that SSA "Commissioner" from say, DeJoy's Postmaster General position at the USPS Postal Board (where the actual Board can only do the removal). SSA is also different from agencies that operate with a group of Commissioners like the FCC or SEC, etc. The SSA has no "group of Commissioners" with someone appointed "Chair".
I.e., when Democrats were trying to shield Corday's position at CFPB in 2017 and he opted to resign, leaving his then-Assistant in charge, TFG instead installed Mulvaney into the position, contrary to Dodd-Frank, and it went down the rabbit hole of a legal quagmire.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 12, 2021, 11:22 AM - Edit history (1)
https://www.ssa.gov/org/coss.htmKaty bar the door -
A bio article - https://ssa-demonstration-lessons.abtassociates.com/presenters/kilolo-kijakazi
rlegro
(338 posts)When right-wing GOP Gov. Scott Walker was still in office, he appointed a businessman and Republican supporter to head up the all-important Wisconsin Natural Resources Board, which oversees policy for the state's environmental agency. Thus this long-respected citizen board was turned into a tool for right-wing business interests. The appointee (I won't even bother with his name) pushed for more lax regulations on issues like having a hunting season for endangered wolves. And got it. So anyway, Deomocrat Tony Evers beat Walker a couple years ago and according to the state Constitution had the power to appoint a successor to chair the board. Whereupon Republicans found a quirky component in the decades-old law setting up the board. It was intended to provide a smooth transition between old and new board appointees; the lame-duck board appointee could remain in office until the state Senate acted to confirm the new appointment.
Well, statehouse Republicans have pulled a Mitch McConnell, dawdling for months and years on many of Evers' nominees, never giving them hearings much less a vote and in one case firing an acting ("designated" cabinet agency head after he waited in vain for a year to have his nomination heard. The Natural Resources chair appointed by Walker (by party design, I'm sure)l has taken advantage of the GOP-controlled state Senate sitting on his successor's confirmation to announce that the law allows him to stay on indefinitely. So Evers appointee for months has had to sit in a chair in the audience area and say nothing while the Walker holdover holds court and insists he is going nowhere. What a bunch of jerks. They are not people who do things in good faith and in traditional or legal keeping. They do stuff to maintain power and dare you to do something about it.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)I'd be physically removed from the site, and if I resisted then I'd be arrested and charged with criminal trespass.
Why isn't this fuckhead cuffed and sitting in a cell right now?
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)You'd physically remove him from his home?
Okay.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-low-drama-of-work-from-home
"Saul plans to go to work Monday morning by logging in from his home in New York"
Orrex
(63,172 posts)The point is that he should be permitted no access, but it's just super-duper that you've ignored that point to zing me instead.
Well done, brave soul. Well done.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Do you always talk to strangers like that?
You asked why he wasnt cuffed and in a cell. I answered your question and provided a link.
Sorry. I apologize if I have offended you.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Seems a civil issue at most.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)Saul was installed to continue trying to destroy Social Security, the puke goal ever since FDR started it?
How many maggots who are ON Social Security realize this???
GoodRaisin
(8,908 posts)Magats think their social security is safe because Donald Trump told them he'd protect it. Magats believe every lie that comes out of his mouth.
Magats are stupid.