I Don't Want My Tax Dollars Treating The Un-Vaccinated Make Them Pay For Covid

[DanieRains]

I am sorry. They chose to get sick. Literally. I / other tax payers shouldn't be responsible for their medical bills.

That's just the way I see it.

Show vaccination proof at check in / emergency room or pay cash.

Sorry.

If you listen to the wrong kind of media you get to pay cash for your ignorance.

I know there are smokers, obesity, and other ailments but the cause for Covid care is plain and simple.

No Vaccine = Pay $$$ Cash

[samnsara]

1. i feel the same. they are now the low hanging fruit BY CHOICE...we cant fix stupid...

[SoonerPride]

2. So far the government is picking up the tabs for Covid care. That may end.

Which I would be ok with now that vaccines are widely available.

[SoCalDavidS]

9. What About Those Who Are Vaccinated But Catch Covid Through No Fault Of Their Own?

I agree with you for the most part, but unfortunately we're ALL going to be at risk so long as it's spreading and there is the potential for new variants taking hold.

[RainCaster]

19. Pay for it, the bill will be lower anyhow

Those folks did all they could, don't hold it against them.

[lark]

29. They would not pay, if I were running that bill the spreaders program.

Only those with no vaccinations would be billed for the full rate, no discounts allowed!

[Drunken Irishman]

3. Slippery slope.

What about those who get cancer from smoking or have health related issues due to morbid obesity brought on by unhealthy eating?

I get the frustration but healthcare should never be politicized like this.

[SoCalDavidS]

11. Too Late

Health Care has become HIGHLY politicized since the ACA was introduced, if not before.

[Drunken Irishman]

45. It's never too late.

You start holding back care because of lifestyle choices then you open that up for everyone.

[Happy Hoosier]

35. Different issues entirely.

Stopping smoking and losing weight is HARD, no matter who you are.

The only thing needed to get a free vaccine is to not be a blithering idiot.

[Drunken Irishman]

46. It doesn't matter. They're still personal choices that led to potential health problems.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Accident caused by a drunk driver, even if they were the only person hurt?

Alcohol related problems?

Driving without a seat belt that causes injury?

Speeding the cause of the crash?

You can go on and on and on.

[panader0]

4. I'm surprised that insurance companies continue to cover those

who willfully do not get vaccinated. When 99% of those getting infected now are unvaccinated,
and vaccines are readily available everywhere, why would their life insurance pay for costs?
Would they insure sighted people who decided to wear a blindfold while driving?

[Act_of_Reparation]

6. Insurance companies aren't on the hook, as far as I know.

My understanding is the cost for vaccination is federally subsidized.

[haele]

22. Insurance companies already know who's vaccinated.

Primarily because if you have insurance, the place administering your shot will take your insurance and/or doctor's info and put the vaccine in your pharmacutical plan.
I just refilled my mail order pharmacy and saw not only everything my doctor prescribed, but both Pfizer vaccinations.

Haele

[roamer65]

26. That is absolutely corrrect.

[d_r]

44. It didnt work that way for me

The only reason my regular doctor knew I was vaccinated (through health dept. Drive up) was I told her.

[Polybius]

8. 99% who die are unvaccinated

The "99% of those getting infected now are unvaccinated" number is off with delta now. Both my friend's parents have it, and they got vaccinated in February or March.

[GoodRaisin]

32. This study suggests that insurance companies are beginning to lift their waivers

for copays and deductibles.

https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/patients-hospitalized-covid-19-2021-could-pay-thousands-dollars-study-suggests

One would think that the premiums would also soon start to rise for unvaccinated people. If you smoke, you get a higher premium. So, if virtually all Covid infections are now from the unvaccinated, then at some point insurance companies will want to charge more to unvaccinated people.

[panader0]

36. Even if the government is paying for treatment, it's still your tax money.

The government is actively urging people to get vaccinated. The hoaxers are a burden to rest of the people.
Their reluctance to be vaccinated is spreading the variants. Once again, the blue states will be paying for
the red states, like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and more.

[GoodRaisin]

40. Absolutely agree.

Wonder how many anti-vaxers would remain so when it starts to hit their finances - especially the uninsured ones. If we want to get vaccinations up then the government could stop hospital pandemic funding for anti-vaxers and insurance companies could raise THEIR premiums. Uninsured could be stuck with an $80K bill for a week in the hospital. That risk would damn sure get people thinking about getting their vaccinations.

To me it's no different than the states that cut off federal unemployment when they sensed that the workers were staying home just to get it. In this case, cut off government assistance to those who are playing this silly game of politicizing vaccinations - which on a large scale is what these morons are doing.

[sarisataka]

34. Insurance companies do not require

You to get vaccinated. They will still cover the flu, measles, whooping cough, etc even if you don't get a vaccine.

Life insurance will not pay any of your costs. With very few exceptions, it only pays your beneficiary when you die.

If you wear a blindfold and drive you will still be covered for your eventual accident. They may not cover afterwards or if they do it will be a much higher cost.

[panader0]

38. Covid-19 is much more deadly than the flu or the measles.

And the cost of covid treatment can reach hundreds of thousands of dollars per person.

[sarisataka]

39. From a health insurance viewpoint

A deadly disease is not a negative issue. If you die, they stop paying.

Some diseases, such as polio, may require lifetime care but a vaccine is not mandated.

It is a terrible precedent to allow denial of coverage for failing to take preventive measures. I know two people receiving care for Lyme disease and will need medication for several years. It would be a burden for then to try and prove they used bug spray on the day they were infected.

If you want to go all the way down the slope- picture that you are in the hospital needing care. You and the doctor wait patiently watching as an insurance adjustor is reviewing your medical records to see if you have completed all of your routine check ups for the last five years. If you missed one then you may be paying out of pocket for any/all treatment.

[Ms. Toad]

47. At least as to ACA compliant plans,

they don't have a choice.

It is not one of the very few factors that either prevent you from getting insurance or can be used as the basis to increase premiums.

[Yavin4]

53. Lack of full approval by the FDA may be the reason. n/t

[Trueblue1968]

55. I hope there's a day when people who aren't vaccinated will get charged.

[Polybius]

5. We are not a heartless country

We can't let them die. Our official policy is to rescued deserters who are captured in wars too.

[SoonerPride]

10. You must be joking.

We are clearly a heartless country.

We have millions of homeless, hungry kids, abused and neglected families from coast to coast.

We let the planet burn to a cinder and just don't give a collective fuck about any of it.

There are some fine individuals in the country who care.

But the country as a collective whole is indeed heartless.

[Polybius]

12. Well not when it comes to this

The examples you gave are correct though.

[SoCalDavidS]

15. Not When It Comes To This?

Based upon what exactly? Certainly not the last 17 months.

[Polybius]

17. Our policy on treating those with Covid

It would be like telling a smoker with cancer that it's your fault.

[SoCalDavidS]

20. If You Haven't Been Vaccinated

It IS your fault.

I see you point about smoking, but again, if you smoke all of your life, then get lung cancer, it is your fault.

People have the right to get treated, but not with my tax dollars, for their own stupidity.

[Polybius]

21. I understand that, but if a person is just scarred and gets Covid....

And they arrive at a hospital and need a ventilator, we can't just say "go home." Unless you are saying treat them, but make them pay for it? That might make sense.

[roamer65]

28. If you smoke all of your life and get lung cancer, it is most certainly your fault.

[Polybius]

48. I completely agree

But a doctor can't tell them that and let them die.

[roamer65]

51. True. They just pump them full of toxic chemicals and sugarcoat the news.

🤑

[SoCalDavidS]

14. Sarcasm, Right?

America is absolutely a heartless country. We always have been to a certain extent, but this century, it's become off the charts.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. I'm okay with it.

[Ilsa]

13. It would just desserts for them to be

turned away at Emergency Departments, but they need help, too, and I don't want them spreading their disease around.

[MenloParque]

16. Yeah I don't agree

I want my tax payer dollars to help all who need the help. Many people wrench in disgust at fatties stuffing their faces in public or drinking heavy sugar drinks, but we aren’t going to deny their healthcare because they are going against their healthcare providers guidance are we??

No, we help those who need help even if they partake in unhealthy lifestyles. Those who want to deny healthcare to ANYONE or force them into financial ruin because they ate McDonald’s daily, didn’t get a shot, fucked disease ridden orifices, etc….are downlow conservacucks.

[Marrah_Goodman]

18. That is not who we are

[johnp3907]

23. Doesn't work that way.

Sorry.

[roamer65]

24. I see the anti-vaxxers as expendable.

These anti-vaxxer, Dump lovers would shove us into the gas chambers and ovens given half a chance. Period.

If they are stupid enuff not to get vaccinated. Let natural selection deal with it as it most certainly WILL.



Under 18, immunocompromised and those who did not get adequate immunity from the vaccines and those not able to take them for VALID medical reasons should get first priority for hospitalization.

[Devil Child]

25. I'm willing to do this if you are willing to accept no-coverage for any obesity related illnesses

If you're going to open Pandora's Box and give insurance industry a gift you might as well go big.

Or we can continue advocating for universal health care coverage and not exclusion.

[panader0]

31. If you are obese, you can't infect others with obesity.

Same with smoking, except for second hand smoke.
Don't insurance companies charge more for smokers and morbidly obese people?

[Devil Child]

37. "I Don't Want My Tax Dollars Treating The Obese Them Pay For Diabetes"

I don't care about the rationalization for exclusion to health care, this a goal I do not support.

[Chainfire]

27. If they deny Covid, and if they do not trust the vaccine, why should they trust the hospitals?

The unvaccinated that believe that Covid is just a cold, should treat it the way the rest of us treat a cold.

In this case they can find my sympathy, in the dictionary, between shit and syphilis. We should not have to pay for self inflicted wounds. The assholes who will not vaccinate are putting all of our lives at risk for future variants, why should we pay to keep them alive?

[Wounded Bear]

30. Unfortunately, that's not how "universal health care" works...

[LiberatedUSA]

33. The second we do that...

...will be the second we all lose health care because “why should healthcare cover the costs for you eating sugar.”

[fescuerescue]

41. That's illegal under the ACA law

[tritsofme]

42. There is quite a large disparity in vaccination rates between whites and minorities.

So what threads like this mean in reality is, just let the brown ones die.

[totodeinhere]

50. I don't think the OP meant that.

They were more likely thinking of the MAGA crowd who believe that the vaccines are part of a left-wing government conspiracy.

[tritsofme]

54. I know what OP meant, but that frame is unmoored from reality.

In other words, it’s a very dumb idea.

[Hekate]

43. No. We owe it to ourselves to act like decent human beings. nt

[totodeinhere]

49. I completely understand your opinion. But...

Those unvaccinated people need to be treated otherwise they will be more likely to spread it to other people such as young people who can't get the vaccine yet.

[Yavin4]

52. We don't have to go that far.

Once the FDA has to give full approval of the vaccine, then employers and other organizations can institute their own mandates. For example, Division I athletics could impose taking the vaccine as a condition to play sports.

Soft mandates are how we will finally end this thing.

[cbdo2007]

56. This is the exact opposite of what we should believe.

We are pushing for Medicare for all regardless of peoples life choices. We should stay consistent whether it is covid or lung cancer or heart disease or whatever.