89% of Black voters support voter ID.

[Nexus2]

So says a recent GOP commercial (it also complains that Democratic Party 'stole' the NBA finals from its original location). Does anyone know the source of this statistic and its veracity?

[CrackityJones75]

1. MBA Finals? Sounds rather boring.

Now a basketball game I could watch!

[Nexus2]

5. Typo, my apologies. [nt]

[CrackityJones75]

7. Ha no worries.

I am the internet’s worst when it comes to typos!

[lagomorph777]

27. Was 89% a typo, too?

The actual number in the ad is 69%.

And the ad is a right-wing talking point. See DU TOS.

[Jerry2144]

9. Those finals are on

one month after the CPA finals and two weeks before the National Paint Drying Finals. And of course, springtime is the annual grass-growing race. All of those events are more fun than the Master Golf Tournament.

NPR is concerned about insomnia in this country. That's why they recently announced that they will be broadcasting golf on the radio.

[CrackityJones75]

10. Ha!

[walkingman]

2. No one has a problem with voter ID that is the GOP political narrative. What

people (or people that aren't self-righteous) don't like is voter suppression. There is a big difference. Don't fall down the rabbit hole of disinformation put out by those that intend to mislead.

Dems know the issues and the GOP is purposely passing laws to suppress the vote - Voter ID has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Hortensis]

28. Yup. No one votes without identifying him or herself,

and that we oppose it is just another ridiculous GOP lie, like wanting totally open borders and abolishing policing.

[brush]

30. Voter ID cards are vote suppression. Of course one IDs oneself....

when voting, usually by signature matching from signatures on file from registering to vote, and/or a utility bill. Having to get a voter ID card leaves plenty of room for republican shenanigans such as making the place to get the ID card hard to access, like they do with polling places, there's likely to be a fee as well, then or course they can play with the hours the office is open. And then this creates additional opportunities for trickery with absentee and voting by mail. All kinds of delaying steps can be added for voters trying vote away from an actual polling place.

They know all the dirty tricks for complicating a procedure that is redundant and unnecessary as registered voters already had to ID themselves when registering with a driver's license, passport or state-issued ID card, then signing the registration form to verify the information on filled out by the registration worker.

I've done voter registration on several campaigns so I know how it works and whats up with this. It's just another of the republican party's many tactics to limit Black, POC and Dem votes.

[walkingman]

31. This happened yesterday. My MIL (who is 90) quit driving about 3 years ago.

Her Texas DL expired so instead of trying to renew it she decided to get a Texas ID card (one of the eligible way to be able to vote in Texas). You get a Texas ID at the DMV like you would a DL. They now require an appointment - I made the appointment and she went with my DW to get the ID. Since she had her expired DL we figured that she wouldn't require anything else (she brought a copy of her birth certificate just in case. I should have looked closer. I filled out the doc online thinking all she would have to do is show up sign the doc and get the ID - easy peasy.

WRONG - the lady at the DMV said that her information was not sufficent. She has copy of Birth Certificate, expired DL, SS card, checkbook, voters registration. THAT WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH! She was very frustrated and said "Well, I just won't vote!" my wife said "No, that is exactly what they want you to do" I'll go get whatever you need and return. The lady overheard her and said well how about we just renew your DL - it only expired 2 months ago....

This is the kind of crap that people have to go through in Texas - it has only one purpose - to discourage people from voting.

I hate this damn state - it sucks and is run by some of the biggest hillbillies in America. IF I wasn't so damn old I would leave here in a NY minute.

[brush]

32. Yes, just having to have a voter ID card presents so many opportunities...

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for republicans to suppress and discourage voters. Good thing your wife knew what was up and was willing to go get the "required" documents or you MIL might have just given up on voting. And republicans count on that.

The voter ID card requirement is just one of many fronts they fight on to stop us from voting. Thanks for sharing you experience that demonstrates that very thing.

[AZ8theist]

3. I would venture it came from Rudy Giuliani's ass....

[Ferrets are Cool]

4. A quick google search will gather you all the information you need on this subject.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-we-black-leaders-support-voter-id-laws/ar-BB1fJdQo

[Carlitos Brigante]

13. This guy?:

[lagomorph777]

15. Rassmussen and RealClearPolitics. RW sources.

In other words, a load of bullshit.

[Ferrets are Cool]

16. Nodding in agreement

[Aristus]

6. I'm not sure what to believe.

The issue with voter ID is not whether voters should present ID when voting in-person, but what constitutes valid ID. A number of states have passed laws specifically designed to disenfranchise portions of the electorate based on demographics.

Some states require a driver's license, which costs money and therefor is a de facto poll tax.

Others require only a state ID without driving privileges. It still usually comes with a fee, and so is also a poll tax.

Some states deliberately include or exclude various types of ID to suppress the vote. For example, in Texas, an NRA membership card is considered valid ID for voting, while a university student body card is not. NRA members tend to vote Republican, while university students tend to vote Democratic.

I think there needs to be a national standard. If a state requires photo ID for voting, they should offer a card to the citizen at no charge.

[OneGrassRoot]

8. Great summary. Thx. n/t

[genxlib]

11. It should be noted

That voters in urban areas are far less likely to have drivers licenses due to mass transit and difficulties with parking. I have never seen statistics but I am sure there is a marked difference in percentages of adults with DLs in rural and suburban areas compared to urban areas.

It is no coincidence that those statistics would align very well with Republican versus Democratic strongholds.

[lagomorph777]

17. It takes effort to explain the subtleties here.

I have recently had to do that, and it isn't always easy to penetrate the "How could voter ID be a bad thing?" dissmissive attitude.

[Ocelot II]

19. Exactly right. If the law just required an ID that was available easily and for free,

there wouldn't be many objections. The catch is just as you said - they want to limit acceptable IDs to things that those people might not have, like drivers' licenses. In my state all you need is some proof of residence if you are registering at the polls on voting day; if you're already registered you don't need ID at all (and despite this, for decades we have had the highest-turnout elections in the US and no evidence of any "voter fraud" of any kind). A few elections ago the state GOPers tried to keep Native Americans (who tend not to vote Republican) from voting by refusing to allow tribal IDs to be used for same-day registration; the ACLU sued and won. But I'm sure the GOP will try again despite the consent decree. This is the kind of shit the GOPers are trying to pull everywhere.

[Igel]

24. Texas has a $16 fee for non-DL ID cards.

On the other hand, if your family income is 150% of the federal poverty level the fee's waived.

https://www.dhhs.nh.gov/dphs/bchs/std/documents/fplguidelines.pdf No clue if TX uses gross or net income, but this is earned income--net of subsidies for housing or insurance, SNAP (or whatever the program is called), free/reduced student meals, etc.



TX takes a wide variety of photo ID types, but all have to source back to a birth certificate or its equivalent. I had 12th graders come to school after election day last November and say they voted--they showed their high-school student ID. I have no idea how they finessed the whole citizenship "thing" or if the poll worker just skirted the formal requirements.

[brush]

33. Presenting voter ID cards when voting is redundant and unnecessary as...

registered voters all had to produce valid IDs when registering to vote. It's another form of republican vote suppression.

See Post 30.

[yellowcanine]

12. Voter ID not the issue. Requiring a certain hard to get one is the issue. When one registers an ID

should be issued free of charge. Then there would be no problem.

[iemanja]

14. Republicans lie

Why would anyone consider that their ads contain any degree of accuracy?

[Xoan]

18. Not knowing the source, I have to wonder ...

why your HEADLINE pushes the BS?

[Ocelot II]

20. It's explained in the text of the OP - it was a claim that was made

in a dumb TV ad that also blamed the Democrats for getting the All-Star game moved.

[Igel]

21. The ad said 69%.

I tracked down the ad and watched it (just long enough to get to the number). I neither like political ads (nor basketball).

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/march_2021/75_support_voter_id_laws is the source of the statistic.

[lagomorph777]

23. So the OP is rather suspect.

Exaggerating even what the right-wing Rasmussen says.

[Igel]

26. It was in a subtitle.

I had to look twice, given the font. Don't know if the guy talking said the number or not, or just said something like "most". Not worth looking at the ad again, damned irritating the first 15 seconds of it the first time.

I tend to give the benefit of the doubt when possible. (And by the time I post this, for all I know the OP will be deleted.)

[Act_of_Reparation]

22. 76.73% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Including this one.

[Shell_Seas]

25. Does it even really matter? The GOP is trying to change the narrative.....

None of the voter suppression bills are about ID

[dawg]

29. Voter ID laws sound "reasonable" to most people.

That's why they're so hard to fight.

But that still doesn't change the fact that they are modern-day Jim Crow attempts to disenfranchise the "wrong" voters.

[11 Bravo]

34. WTF? The NBA Finals are played in the arenas of the conference champions.

In this case, that's Phoenix and Milwaukee. How were they "stolen"? Did Chris Paul do it? Is Giannis Antetokounmpo the culprit?
Even for Repukes, that makes no fucking sense!

[ProfessorGAC]

35. The NBA Finals Were Moved?

I wonder if the people of Phoenix & Milwaukee know that those games they went to actually took place elsewhere.
What got moved was the major league all-star game.
The NBA finals are, as almost always, being played in the cities of the 2 teams. That's exactly where they're being played.
So, that part is a straight up lie.