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kpete

(71,954 posts)
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:37 AM Jul 2021

"N.J. woman must remove anti-Biden F-bomb signs or face $250-a-day fines, judge rules"



A municipal judge on Thursday ruled that a Roselle Park homeowner’s owner’s anti- President Biden flags including the F-bomb on her fence were obscene and must be removed because they violated a borough ordinance.

Roselle Park Municipal Court Judge Gary Bundy ordered the Willow Avenue
homeowner to remove the signs with profanity within a week or face a $250-a-day fine. Patricia Dilascio is the property owner but her daughter, Andrea Dick, had the signs, three of which include the F-word, on display."

https://www.nj.com/union/2021/07/nj-woman-must-remove-anti-biden-f-bomb-signs-or-face-250-a-day-fines-judge-rules.html
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"N.J. woman must remove anti-Biden F-bomb signs or face $250-a-day fines, judge rules" (Original Post) kpete Jul 2021 OP
Public offensiveness, why are Repukes so good at that? FakeNoose Jul 2021 #1
The Party Of "Family Values", Ladies And Gentlemen nt smb Jul 2021 #27
I'd bet she's an anti-vaxxer with no mask Tiger8 Jul 2021 #28
THESE PEOPLE ARE FILTHY, EVIL .... throw them in the slammer Trueblue1968 Jul 2021 #42
Throw them in the slammer for what exactly? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #45
I wish one Qpublican would describe in detail how anything Dems are doing is "socialism" luv2fly Jul 2021 #2
MAGA is socialism. Share the hate and spread the word. /nt bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #14
May I suggest TheFarseer Jul 2021 #3
Please don't give right wingers ideas which a Judge might find legal. KS Toronado Jul 2021 #16
This ruling means nothing Jersey Devil Jul 2021 #4
true. but it is enforceable stopdiggin Jul 2021 #19
A wall of delusion Bristlecone Jul 2021 #5
Such a class act! BlueJac Jul 2021 #6
I side with the homeowner on this one. Goodheart Jul 2021 #7
I agree, the principle is more important than the violation Chainfire Jul 2021 #8
I was going to get fined for leaving my Ilsa Jul 2021 #9
Her house isn't in an HOA, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #20
The law may be on her side, but I think she's doing her Ilsa Jul 2021 #32
Fortunately, it's her right to be a Dick, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #33
Yeah, I know, I just don't understand why people Ilsa Jul 2021 #35
I don't understand it either, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #38
You have a right in this country to be an asshole BGBD Jul 2021 #43
And that's it right there in a nutshell. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #44
A good point. Fuck Trump signs would treestar Jul 2021 #29
I would. Ilsa Jul 2021 #37
Sounds like she is a troll so she is likely loving the attention. NT Apollo Zeus Jul 2021 #10
I have six year old grandsons PatSeg Jul 2021 #11
They know obscenity when they see it bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #12
You know She will be on Fox, newsmax or Oann saying she is a martyr kimbutgar Jul 2021 #13
she will be all over right wing media claiming she has been cancelled DBoon Jul 2021 #22
The ACLU has already taken up her 1A cause, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #15
Gotta love Repubs who rant about the liberal/hippie ACLU and then run to it at the drop of a hat. TheBlackAdder Jul 2021 #23
Ironic isn't it. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #24
Add one intermittently::: F__K SOCIALIST JESUS. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #17
The birdbath's a nice touch. 2naSalit Jul 2021 #18
Andrea Dick.....says it all spanone Jul 2021 #21
Maybe one of her neighbors UnderThisLaw Jul 2021 #25
Or one that says MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #26
Truth defense! treestar Jul 2021 #31
As soon as I saw that name treestar Jul 2021 #30
Glad to accomodate.... spanone Jul 2021 #36
Until the city physically removes them she'll keep them up - and some fascist PAC will reimburse her peppertree Jul 2021 #34
They can't collect money anyway. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #41
Classy gal! Nt Baked Potato Jul 2021 #39
The judge is wrong. NutmegYankee Jul 2021 #40
 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
28. I'd bet she's an anti-vaxxer with no mask
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:22 AM
Jul 2021

I've seen this so many times to know the story....she listens to Faux News and talk radio, and uses 'family values" religion to attack people she hates.

She's a loyal cult member, but a scourge to society.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,240 posts)
45. Throw them in the slammer for what exactly?
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:25 AM
Jul 2021

You don't believe that she has a 1st Amendment right to display her signs and flags, on her property?
Suppose these were Fuck Trump signs and flags?
Would they be ok then?

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
2. I wish one Qpublican would describe in detail how anything Dems are doing is "socialism"
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 08:49 AM
Jul 2021

They throw this term around so loosely and their lemmings eat it up, yet I doubt any of them could accurately describe socialism let alone how the Dems are doing anything that is really "socialism."

And the daughter's name... it's too easy, I'll leave that one alone.

Jersey Devil

(9,873 posts)
4. This ruling means nothing
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:02 AM
Jul 2021

In NJ a municipal judge does not have the jurisdiction to rule on the constitutionality of any law and must rule to enforce any law as written, so this law can not be adjudicated as consititutional or not until appealed to the Superior Court.

stopdiggin

(11,232 posts)
19. true. but it is enforceable
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:40 AM
Jul 2021

until such time as a stay or injunction is granted. Remains to be seen if this property owner has resolve to go to that next level.

Goodheart

(5,307 posts)
7. I side with the homeowner on this one.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:09 AM
Jul 2021

It's a word. It's a sound. It doesn't incite violence against anybody. Get over it.

Chainfire

(17,436 posts)
8. I agree, the principle is more important than the violation
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:42 AM
Jul 2021

If I were to rule on the issue, from my gut, I would forbid the woman from ever taking them down. It is a fair warning to people as to what kind of fool occupies the house.

Ilsa

(61,688 posts)
9. I was going to get fined for leaving my
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 09:47 AM
Jul 2021

trash cans out for too long. As much as I'd like to know the political beliefs of those around me, this sort of thing makes a neighborhood look sleazy. I'm with the HOA on this since it is well outside our election period.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,240 posts)
20. Her house isn't in an HOA,
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:42 AM
Jul 2021

it's the borough's Govt. that's telling her to remove the flags, which is clear 1A protected speech, the ACLU has already come down on her side and this will be appealed to a higher court where I suspect the law will be ruled unconstitutional under the 1A.

She's a Dick, but that is her absolute right to be a dick and the borough is going to be stung when this is appealed to a higher court.
Hell, this may go all the way to the Federal level.

Ilsa

(61,688 posts)
32. The law may be on her side, but I think she's doing her
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:29 AM
Jul 2021

neighbors and herself a disservice by making the neighborhood less attractive and giving it a bad vibe. Her neighbors are less likely to cooperate with her or assist her if she needed help. Like it or not, it's a community. I'd say the same if all of her signs said "fuck trump."

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,240 posts)
33. Fortunately, it's her right to be a Dick,
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:32 AM
Jul 2021

and her neighbors will make her pay by shunning and ostracizing her, which is their right.

Ilsa

(61,688 posts)
35. Yeah, I know, I just don't understand why people
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:49 AM
Jul 2021

wish to intentionally antagonize the people around them over stupid shit. It's a big mystery to me why something good has to be turned into something mean or ugly just because it's their right to be nasty to others. It feels like the bar is getting set lower as far as people needing to get along for the sake of the community.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,240 posts)
38. I don't understand it either,
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:52 AM
Jul 2021

it makes no sense to piss off the very people who would otherwise come to her aid in time of need, but these are the times we live in.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
43. You have a right in this country to be an asshole
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 04:30 AM
Jul 2021

and it's important that we protect it.

The signs should be allowed to stay, and I'm sure they will be. I don't agree with her, but I do want to preserve my own right to hang up some FUCK Trump signs if I want.

Ilsa

(61,688 posts)
37. I would.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:51 AM
Jul 2021

I don't like racing to the bottom just because I can. I have no interest in antagonizing my trjmp-loving neighbors, even the ones who kept their trump crap up until January 7th.

PatSeg

(47,187 posts)
11. I have six year old grandsons
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:32 AM
Jul 2021

who are prolific readers. When I see F-bombs on signs or bumper stickers, it really upsets me. They will read any words that they see.

Some family values party.

bucolic_frolic

(42,994 posts)
12. They know obscenity when they see it
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:33 AM
Jul 2021

I'm not a big fan of hate signs either. Evil, devil, F-, that kind of thing.

kimbutgar

(21,027 posts)
13. You know She will be on Fox, newsmax or Oann saying she is a martyr
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:33 AM
Jul 2021

The right wing will side with her and do their blah blah bs woe is me taking away my free speech.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,240 posts)
24. Ironic isn't it.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:58 AM
Jul 2021


They bitch and complain about the "radical left" ACLU, but when their rights are violated, they run to that which they have excoriated for years.

keithbvadu2

(36,622 posts)
17. Add one intermittently::: F__K SOCIALIST JESUS.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jul 2021

Add one intermittently::: F__K SOCIALIST JESUS.

And other such signs.

Help the lady.

of course

2naSalit

(86,289 posts)
18. The birdbath's a nice touch.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jul 2021

There's a guy down in the Boulder valley who has a bigger fence along the road with hand scrawled missives, the locals call it the "wall of hate". It's right along a sharp curve so you have to pull over to read any of it or crash into a big field or oncoming traffic.

peppertree

(21,586 posts)
34. Until the city physically removes them she'll keep them up - and some fascist PAC will reimburse her
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 11:39 AM
Jul 2021

With the proceeds laundered through a GoFundMe campaign, of course.

NutmegYankee

(16,197 posts)
41. They can't collect money anyway.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:36 PM
Jul 2021

The ordinance is unconstitutional on its face. See Cohen V. California.

And obscenity is strictly defined in Miller V. California. The language is not obscene under US Law.

She's going to win, no matter how much of a POS she is.

NutmegYankee

(16,197 posts)
40. The judge is wrong.
Sat Jul 17, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jul 2021

SCOTUS cases such as Cohen v. California and Miller v. California directly counter his ruling. This case is an instant win on appeal.

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