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kentuck

(111,056 posts)
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:55 AM Jul 2021

Would they really have killed Mike Pence?

Yeah, they were yelling, "Hang Mike Pence!", but were they really that serious?

A witness that was a participant in the Trump rally stated that if they would have captured him, he would have been pummeled to death. (She was quoted on the Ali Velshi show this morning on MSNBC, He was interviewing Michael Bender, the author of one of the new books that just came out)

The American people had better open their eyes. Their vote is very important. They should think twice, maybe three times, before they pull the lever or mark the box.

There has never been a more important time in our history in my lifetime. American citizens need to step forward or they are going to lose their country to a violent dictatorship.

The sad part is that even Mike Pence does not realize how close he came to death.

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Would they really have killed Mike Pence? (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2021 OP
Would cult members drink poison kook aid? GusBob Jul 2021 #1
Cult members of Jim Jones poured the poison down the throats of their children alphafemale Jul 2021 #11
Or kill someone else first treestar Jul 2021 #72
As amped up as these traitors were, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #2
You can bet your bippy* they woulda hung Mike. They were a serious and dangerous group abqtommy Jul 2021 #3
If they would had caught Pence, they would have beat & clubbed him to death KS Toronado Jul 2021 #31
1 bullet was enough to stop a lot of trouble that day. Renew Deal Jul 2021 #4
Indeed, they should've used their guns much earlier. joshcryer Jul 2021 #14
If it was non-white people dclarston13 Jul 2021 #20
Earlier, like before he got out of Queens Tiger8 Jul 2021 #41
There's one report yet Secret Service tried to get Him Captain Zero Jul 2021 #51
Of COURSE they would have. no_hypocrisy Jul 2021 #5
Whoa! That's one angle I never even entertained Brother Buzz Jul 2021 #7
Doesn't work that way. Grins Jul 2021 #13
his most compromised sycophant rampartc Jul 2021 #21
Ivanka, hands down! nt pazzyanne Jul 2021 #37
No, the VP can't be from same state as POTUS dmr Jul 2021 #65
That's trivial to fix and has been fixed trivially very recently fescuerescue Jul 2021 #69
Yes, they can be from the same state Retrograde Jul 2021 #73
Would that stop the mango menace from doing it? pazzyanne Jul 2021 #74
A new vice president has to be approved by both houses of Congress, Ocelot II Jul 2021 #22
Rules and norms have no meaning to him Generic Brad Jul 2021 #30
He would probably have picked an "acting" VP... kentuck Jul 2021 #39
How many people would have been wnylib Jul 2021 #58
I don't think the generals resigning would have had much effect on the situation. kentuck Jul 2021 #59
I had not heard about the warning letter wnylib Jul 2021 #63
I notice that Mark Esper's name was one of the ten. kentuck Jul 2021 #64
There would have been no VP to perform his official duties bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #27
The counting of electoral votes by Congress is a formality. Ocelot II Jul 2021 #34
Congress people would have been killed if they had the opportunity JohnSJ Jul 2021 #6
Nancy Pelosi would have been executed. I have no doubt. Comfortably_Numb Jul 2021 #17
More deadly for her than Pence. LakeArenal Jul 2021 #18
Murdered, Not Executed COL Mustard Jul 2021 #32
No apology necessary. Point taken. Comfortably_Numb Jul 2021 #36
Well, lemme see, they had a scaffold and noose all ready...they got control of the capitol CTyankee Jul 2021 #8
Yes. kickitup Jul 2021 #9
Yes. They were in entitled mob mentality mode. One of two start and others would follow. underpants Jul 2021 #10
If they somehow got a hold of him without secret service... joshcryer Jul 2021 #12
How many of the Secret Service were working for Trump? kentuck Jul 2021 #42
I think the gallows was built more for show than functionality, tanyev Jul 2021 #15
All of them would have been murdered obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #16
I think Pence thought they would. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2021 #19
He was certainly convinced he was in jeopardy. FalloutShelter Jul 2021 #24
No, he saved his ass dianaredwing Jul 2021 #56
The mob probably would have beaten him to death Ocelot II Jul 2021 #23
Yeah it wasn't theater, nor rabble rousing for effect bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #25
I think Mike Pence does know. Yorkie Mom Jul 2021 #26
One of the more revealing details on Pence . . . peggysue2 Jul 2021 #28
They were a mob.No one can truly know what they might have done. Girard442 Jul 2021 #29
No doubt in my mind, that was the plan. sarcasmo Jul 2021 #33
Yes, as much anger as TFG whipped up about Pence, yes, they would have killed him. redstatebluegirl Jul 2021 #35
Would an armed Republican lynch mob do a lynching? dlk Jul 2021 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2021 #40
I sadly agree. So many are just totally detached from reality. All across socio-economic spectrum. Evolve Dammit Jul 2021 #44
I want to know how that gallows went up - who saw that going up and did nothing? malaise Jul 2021 #43
Most were "on board" with the symbolic message and many would have been willing participants. Evolve Dammit Jul 2021 #45
Where were the police? n/t malaise Jul 2021 #46
overwhelmed and in some case just letting it unfold. It looks erected quite a distance away? Evolve Dammit Jul 2021 #50
Somebody had to take video of those who erected it. They need aggressive prosecution. nt Evolve Dammit Jul 2021 #52
I hope it reaches the Select Committee malaise Jul 2021 #54
When you listen to fools, the mob rules. Swede Jul 2021 #47
Yes. Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #48
They should NEVER have had the opportunity. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #49
I think they would have killed any random member of Congress - Democratic or Republican - Vinca Jul 2021 #53
Anybody that thinks it would be a benevolent dictatorship... kentuck Jul 2021 #55
Officer Goodman also saved Mitt obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #67
Yes, they would have. Nt Baked Potato Jul 2021 #57
There is little doubt in my mind that they would have tried. bottomofthehill Jul 2021 #60
Let's try that again bottomofthehill Jul 2021 #61
Like this guy? He's such a friendly looking fella. Bongo Prophet Jul 2021 #70
Thank you bottomofthehill Jul 2021 #71
Quite welcome. I clicked your link and got what you were getting at, so tried to help out Bongo Prophet Jul 2021 #77
I read in a book, Corgigal Jul 2021 #62
They would have beaten him to death in a frenzy. Same with any other of their targets: Pelosi, tblue37 Jul 2021 #66
The Secret Service certainly briefed Pence on the threat he faced fescuerescue Jul 2021 #68
Isn't there a report out too Mad_Machine76 Jul 2021 #79
How could you tell? 11 Bravo Jul 2021 #75
Good question. I think they might very well have beaten him to death Texin Jul 2021 #76
Aside from the presence of "gallows" at the event Mad_Machine76 Jul 2021 #78
Mobs do horrible shit that most individuals would never do on their own. Iggo Jul 2021 #80
I'll be the lone detractor and guess no. I think they were cowards. lindysalsagal Jul 2021 #81

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
1. Would cult members drink poison kook aid?
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:00 AM
Jul 2021

They were acting under their leaders orders

Would Trump had pardoned them if they killed Pence

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
11. Cult members of Jim Jones poured the poison down the throats of their children
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:27 AM
Jul 2021

Even after they had seen how painful the death was.

If cult members will kill their own children without a second thought, imagine what they would do to yours.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,264 posts)
2. As amped up as these traitors were,
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:00 AM
Jul 2021

the is no doubt in my mind that if they could have gotten their hands on him, or any other Dem. lawmaker, they would have executed them and would have celebrated it.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
3. You can bet your bippy* they woulda hung Mike. They were a serious and dangerous group
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:02 AM
Jul 2021

Last edited Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:16 PM - Edit history (1)

of "tourist" reTHUG Fascist Insurrectionist Seditious Cultists. * to Dick Martin of Laugh-In.

KS Toronado

(17,157 posts)
31. If they would had caught Pence, they would have beat & clubbed him to death
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:57 AM
Jul 2021

way before they "hung" him. And they would have strung him up for public viewing to send the message....
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYONE WHO IS DISLOYAL TO THE KING!
Funny they don't see that the king is naked.

Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
4. 1 bullet was enough to stop a lot of trouble that day.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:03 AM
Jul 2021

I’m pretty sure people weren’t willing to go World War Z against the secret service that day. No one would have gotten that close to him (unless his security was in on it).

dclarston13

(406 posts)
20. If it was non-white people
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:58 AM
Jul 2021

They would have expended hundreds of rounds in the attackers, I have no doubt.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
41. Earlier, like before he got out of Queens
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jul 2021

It would have saved the world so much grief - and hundreds of thousands of lives - so far.

Captain Zero

(6,787 posts)
51. There's one report yet Secret Service tried to get Him
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:52 PM
Jul 2021

In a car and Pence refused fearing it was part of a plan not necessarily for his safety but to get him out of the building so he couldn't return to certify the vote.

Think about that one.

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
5. Of COURSE they would have.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:06 AM
Jul 2021

Trump would have immediately selected a new VP who would invalidate the Electoral Vote Counting. And have declared Trump as winning the Election.

Brother Buzz

(36,389 posts)
7. Whoa! That's one angle I never even entertained
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:15 AM
Jul 2021

But you just know the orange anus gave it a LOT of consideration.

Grins

(7,199 posts)
13. Doesn't work that way.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:28 AM
Jul 2021

New VP requires approval by BOTH houses of Congress.

Still, an interesting question! If Pence had been assassinated, who would the fat orange Caligula have picked?

rampartc

(5,388 posts)
21. his most compromised sycophant
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:00 AM
Jul 2021

but since he needed graham's vote in the senate, probably america's mayor, the hero of 911 and trump's personal lawyer.

Retrograde

(10,130 posts)
73. Yes, they can be from the same state
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 04:40 PM
Jul 2021

the Constitution just says that electors must cast one of their ballots for someone not from the same state as the elector. While for all practical purposes this means that if the candidates for president and vice president are both from the same state one of them doesn't get that state's electors, it would be moot in this case as Donnie didn't get New York's votes anyway.

If Vanky were to be appointed to fill out Pence's term - all two weeks of it - that would require a majority vote of both Houses. If she were intended to replace Pence on the ballot - well, that's an area that AFAIK doesn't have a precedent.

Ocelot II

(115,613 posts)
22. A new vice president has to be approved by both houses of Congress,
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jul 2021

although he'd certainly have tried.

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
30. Rules and norms have no meaning to him
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:54 AM
Jul 2021

He would have done it without a second thought. Very few people acknowledge his mentally ill state that has been the nucleus of the insurgency.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
39. He would probably have picked an "acting" VP...
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:29 PM
Jul 2021

Just as he had gotten away with every other position? Who would have challenged him ??

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
58. How many people would have been
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:38 PM
Jul 2021

left in Congress? To get Pence, the insurrectionists would have to have been a liitle earlier in breaking in. In that case, they could also have grabbed a few members of Congress.

If they had grabbed Pence alone or with members of Congress, that could have been Trump's opportunity to declare a national emergency and try to suspend the regular business of government. Remember, the militias had stashed weapons and bombs in DC. There were members of the police and National Guard in sympathy with the insurrectionists.

It wouldn't have lasted long without military backing, but could have been worse than it was. The military brass considered resigning rather than obey a coup order from Trump. Underlings might have sided with Trump.

All speculation, of course.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
59. I don't think the generals resigning would have had much effect on the situation.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:44 PM
Jul 2021

Trump would have just waited until he got a sympathetic one, like General Charles Flynn, the brother of Michael Flynn. He would not have had to wait very long, in my opinion. Somebody had previously sent a letter to all the former Secretarys of Defense and they had sent out a public letter warning of the danger. I think it may have been Liz Cheney?

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
63. I had not heard about the warning letter
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:50 PM
Jul 2021

to the generals.

I think the resignations of the generals could have made things worse by leaving a vacuum for Trump to fill, or for lower level officers to step into in support of Trump. Better if the generals stayed in their positions and refused to obey an illegal command to support a coup.

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
27. There would have been no VP to perform his official duties
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:44 AM
Jul 2021

Might have stopped the process in its tracks, which was the whole idea.

Ocelot II

(115,613 posts)
34. The counting of electoral votes by Congress is a formality.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:01 PM
Jul 2021

If it doesn't happen it doesn't mean the other candidate wins. There's no provision in the Constitution for re-doing the election. If the insurgents had stopped the process on 1/6 it would have happened later. The VP's job is ceremonial, a fact nobody was ever able to pound into TFG's thick head.

COL Mustard

(5,871 posts)
32. Murdered, Not Executed
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:59 AM
Jul 2021

Please use the correct term. An execution is a legal, state-sanctioned killing, but a murder is an illegal killing.

Adding in advance: I used to be pro- capital punishment, but I no longer support that. I’m just probably being pedantic, and if so, I apologize.

Comfortably_Numb

(3,796 posts)
36. No apology necessary. Point taken.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:17 PM
Jul 2021

FWIW, I think the magats would justify it as punishment for “treason.” Hence, execution… I’ll embrace murder. Effing thugs.

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
8. Well, lemme see, they had a scaffold and noose all ready...they got control of the capitol
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:20 AM
Jul 2021

and could have figured out where his office was and where he serves as the President of the Senate. So my guess is "they would have."

underpants

(182,632 posts)
10. Yes. They were in entitled mob mentality mode. One of two start and others would follow.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:26 AM
Jul 2021

Just like each step as they approached the Capital. There was going over the hurricane fencing, up the steps, pushing back the barriers, busting windows, etc.

All it takes is one to make a move and others will follow. When I heard Trump say something about “walking down there” (some had already started) he was just goading the crowd and then the crowd would do what it needs to do. He was impeached for doing just that.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
12. If they somehow got a hold of him without secret service...
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:28 AM
Jul 2021

...absolutely, 100%, mob behavior is extremely unpredictable, but all it would've taken was one or two of them punching Pence and it would've gotten beyond out of control.

But the Secret Service would've shot anyone who even came within feet of him.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
42. How many of the Secret Service were working for Trump?
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jul 2021

How would they have acted in front of an angry mob? It's unknown.

tanyev

(42,523 posts)
15. I think the gallows was built more for show than functionality,
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:29 AM
Jul 2021

but I have no doubt there were some in the crowd that would have done harm to him if they’d managed to get their hands on him.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
19. I think Pence thought they would.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:55 AM
Jul 2021

I think he does realize how close it was.

He could have left that building with his security detail, but good on him for sticking around to certify Biden’s election. He did his duty.

FalloutShelter

(11,834 posts)
24. He was certainly convinced he was in jeopardy.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:18 AM
Jul 2021

His SS detail told him they had a car waiting and he refused to get into it... not because he was bent on doing his patriotic duty, but because he feared abduction and worse.

dianaredwing

(406 posts)
56. No, he saved his ass
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:27 PM
Jul 2021

He didn't trust his security detail. He was in on the bloodless coup plan and when blood seemed imminent, he stuck with the sanest group around. He knew all those people and probably was well aware of who was in on the coup and who was simply there doing their job.

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
25. Yeah it wasn't theater, nor rabble rousing for effect
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:39 AM
Jul 2021

The scaffolds were theater. The anger was real. People so roused up by TFG, pandemic isolation, loss of vicarious football angst that they would have attacked him. Yes, they were out for blood.

I'm alarmed, but we're more aware now. Unfortunately their planning won't have lapses in execution next time.

peggysue2

(10,825 posts)
28. One of the more revealing details on Pence . . .
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:46 AM
Jul 2021

Was his refusal to leave the Capitol bc he did not trust the Secret Service. If that's the case, then Pence knew how truly dangerous the situation was and how close he and his family were to real violence at the hands of the mob.

He knew. They all knew. Yet still, they lie.

Girard442

(6,066 posts)
29. They were a mob.No one can truly know what they might have done.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 11:49 AM
Jul 2021

Not even them. But -- When someone who CAN kill you says they WANT to kill you, you'd better take them seriously.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Evolve Dammit

(16,702 posts)
44. I sadly agree. So many are just totally detached from reality. All across socio-economic spectrum.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:36 PM
Jul 2021

It's apathy, pain avoidance, laziness and "I'm too busy, it will all be fine." Recipe for disaster. If a congress person (or Pence) had been killed, it may have had more impact. The next one won't be so nice. And there will be a next one.

malaise

(268,724 posts)
43. I want to know how that gallows went up - who saw that going up and did nothing?
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:36 PM
Jul 2021

Still can't process that one

Evolve Dammit

(16,702 posts)
50. overwhelmed and in some case just letting it unfold. It looks erected quite a distance away?
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:49 PM
Jul 2021

May not have been much they could have done? Dunno. Good question though

Ferrets are Cool

(21,104 posts)
49. They should NEVER have had the opportunity.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jul 2021

I can guarantee one thing. If those insurgents had not been white, they would never have gained access. I'm still so angry about Jan 6th that I can barely think of it because of my blood pressure.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
53. I think they would have killed any random member of Congress - Democratic or Republican -
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:02 PM
Jul 2021

if they'd gotten their hands on them. Mitt Romney had a very close call and was saved by the police. The thugs were out for blood and I doubt they'd be asking for party affiliation cards before clobbering them. If they had gotten to Pence the hanging would have made it hard for even the GOP to whitewash.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
55. Anybody that thinks it would be a benevolent dictatorship...
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:15 PM
Jul 2021

...is tragically mistaken and uninformed. That especially goes for Mitch McConnell and the Republican leaders.

bottomofthehill

(8,318 posts)
60. There is little doubt in my mind that they would have tried.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:45 PM
Jul 2021

The Secret Service would probably not have been as judicious in their use of force if the crowd got close as they to know that that crowd would have tried to kill him. I agree with up the thread though, he would never have made it to the gallows, they would have beaten him to death long before they could hang him. They would not have gotten to him until the Service ran out of ammo and as we saw when one shot was fired and one life was taken that the crowd suddenly showed restraint.

Does this look like the peaceful face of a protester who would do no harm

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Bongo Prophet

(2,642 posts)
70. Like this guy? He's such a friendly looking fella.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 02:57 PM
Jul 2021

The photo composite of images at your link are worth clicking on. The smiling photo is one the media would most likely use.


What a sweet guy! So harmless, this tourist!


The photo in the midst of the mob? His game face.
No doubt he was ready for any opportunity to shed (someone else's) blood.

bottomofthehill

(8,318 posts)
71. Thank you
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 04:16 PM
Jul 2021

That is exactly what I was trying to show. For some reason when posting from my phone I always screw things up but when posting from my laptop I don’t. Both Apple products… some day when I get younger I will get a hold of it.

Bongo Prophet

(2,642 posts)
77. Quite welcome. I clicked your link and got what you were getting at, so tried to help out
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 05:26 PM
Jul 2021

Embedded and encrypted images don't link well, so I went to the sources that would. On a computer, but still had to do a few previews to get them looking decent
.
The smiling guy/killer photo dichotomy hit me harder on seeing the composite in your lint that made me think of the editorial choices, and how much that shapes public opinion. Similar to the photos of white/black people in flooded New Orleans. "Found needed supplies" or "stealing"? Words matter. Images matter.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
62. I read in a book,
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:50 PM
Jul 2021

maybe by FBI profiler, John Douglas, that a riot (or a large group of people), are only as smart as its dumbest person. When I see who the FBI is arresting, I will say yes they would have.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
66. They would have beaten him to death in a frenzy. Same with any other of their targets: Pelosi,
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:58 PM
Jul 2021

AOC, Ilhan Omar, Schumer, Romney, Schiff. . . .

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
68. The Secret Service certainly briefed Pence on the threat he faced
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 02:29 PM
Jul 2021

He knows exactly how close he came.

Now what he does publicly with that knowledge is another matter entirely.

Mad_Machine76

(24,396 posts)
79. Isn't there a report out too
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:40 PM
Jul 2021

that said that Pence was actually afraid of his Secret Service detail afterwards?

Texin

(2,590 posts)
76. Good question. I think they might very well have beaten him to death
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 05:19 PM
Jul 2021

then dragged his body up to the gallows and hanged him. Frenzied mobs will do just about anything -- and we've seen people who are a part of it pull out automatic weapons and shoot randomly amongst the group, and others who've used their cars to plow into and run over people. I think it's highly likely if they got ahold of him, he'd have been killed one way or the other. Same for Pelosi and any other legislator they might have seized that day.

Mad_Machine76

(24,396 posts)
78. Aside from the presence of "gallows" at the event
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:38 PM
Jul 2021

Trump had been whipping up his base for days, essentially telling them that Pence was going to betray them by counting the votes as cast instead of refusing to count Biden's, which is something that he, of course, couldn't do anyway. Also, didn't one of Trump's lawyers (Wood) even explicitly call for him to be hanged (did *he* get booted off social media?!)

I shudder to think if any of the insurrectionists had gotten ahold of any of the congress members, especially people like AOC or other members of the Squad, whom were frequent right-wing/Trump targets. From the looks of it, even the Republican members whom were in Trump's back pocket look scared.

Ultimately, I think that they could have all been in danger had the insurrectionists actually been able to get ahold of them.

lindysalsagal

(20,592 posts)
81. I'll be the lone detractor and guess no. I think they were cowards.
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 12:08 AM
Jul 2021

It was all imaginary, and had they actually isolated Pence, they would have snapped out if it. They went after the guards who were blocking their way, but were strangers. But really, no one could be sure, either way.

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