Got to say this

[I_UndergroundPanther]

When referring to asshole criminal sociopaths authoritarians or narcissists

Be aware therapy,meds do nothing to help these bad people.

The problem lies in who they are,thier personality.

Many toxic people are not abused but they are still toxic assholes.

What irritates me is when people compare these assholes to people with mental illness.. mentally ill people usually are not violent,in fact they are less violent than normal people.
The stuff like trump needs a padded room etc. Are stigma against mentally ill people.

Repeating mental illness stigma combined with trump or evil republicans and malignant narcissism is really reinforcing the stigma that many mentally ill people face while insinuating mentally ill people are treacherous, criminal and cruel.

I wish there were three separate catagories regarding treatments for mentally ill.

Seperate the sociopath narcissist types from and addicted people from those with mental illness like trauma disorders, depression anxiety ,schizoprenia etc.

Into three separate branches of treatment.
Don't mix these populations together anymore.

I have a long list of reasons why this separation thing would be a good idea and actually help people based on my experience being in the mental health system for decades.

If you are curious as to why pm me.

And DU please don't connect people like me, a Dem with mental illness to evil people who know what they are doing harms people but don't give a shit ( narcissists sociopaths authoritarian magat idiots) and thier evil behavior together.

[Walleye]

1. True, it's laziness. These people know right from wrong but choose to do wrong anyway

They are not typical of people with mental illness. They are typical of people with no morals or ethics

[lark]

2. Thank you for sharing this information.

True, he needs to be behind prison bars, not locked up for mental illness. He did what he did on purpose, out of hate and malignant narcissism and self profiting and ego stroking. He is criminal, not insane.

[sop]

3. They're evil, not crazy.

[Six117]

9. Applause!

100% truth. I can only hope we can all stop giving them any kind of benefit of the doubt or cover -they are not worth it and do not deserve it. There are better uses for our energies.

[Wicked Blue]

4. Mental health care is still in the Dark Ages IMHO

Those who can afford it have access to private treatment centers with stupendous prices.

Those who are poor or struggling are stuck with overcrowded clinics that accept Medicaid or generic policies with huge co-pays.

There are months-long waits for initial outpatient appointments.

There are very few inpatient beds, and almost all are occupied.

There is a huge shortage of providers, particularly psychiatrists, many of who have stopped accepting insurance because of the red tape and small payouts.

Medication management is gradually being taken over by licensed nurse-practitioners in our state. I'm sure most of them are perfectly competent, but I ran across one a couple of years ago who was terrible.

Police and ERs in my area have a catch-and-release system. They haul in people undergoing crises, drop them at an ER, and the ER allows them to leave if they insist. Back to square one. The exception is when someone displays a weapon and is considered a threat to the police or others. In which case they often get shot.

If not released from the ER, there often is no place to send people having mental health crises, except to small mental health units in some of the area hospitals. And there are waits to get admitted, and the stays are short. They are usually stabilized with medications, given information on community-based services. and released.

Our county happens to have a so-called mobile crisis center, but on the couple of occasions when their help was needed for a family member, we were referred to the police. I will say that the police handled both situations beautifully, but when the individual was taken to an ER, they demanded to be released and that was that.

And this is what it's like in one of the wealthiest counties in the U.S., a blue county with many well-educated people and progressives in the DC suburbs.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

6. Biden should make treatment access

And treatment for mental illness a priority and throw a lot of money into it.

Mental illness is so prevalent it needs to be taken seriously and funded seriously,and safe mental health hospitals built in every state to hold the capacity of patients.


My experience in Maryland's mental heath system has been way better than the norm in other states. But than again people with mental illness are politically organized here.

[Wicked Blue]

8. I'm in MoCo MD

I'm sure Maryland is better than many other states, though I suspect places like Baltimore, the Eastern Shore and the far western counties have it worse than the DC suburbs,

[BarbD]

10. The Pandemic has really tested our poor excuse for a health system.

The wealthy can always afford the best and the best is way beyond the means of we ordinary folk.

There are so many forces working against us including Big Pharma.

[MLAA]

5. Thank you for this post!

Many of us need that reminder.

[Elessar Zappa]

7. Yes, thanks for this post.

Narcissism and sociopathy/psychopathy are personality disorders, not mental illness. As of now, there are no effective treatments for personality disorders.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

12. Some other personality disorders don't affect

A person's sense of right and wrong. I have dissociative personality. Disorder.

To me it's more like a psychiatric injury than a personality disorder.

I would call any trauma based personality disorder a psychiatric injury.

[lastlib]

11. They are not mentally ill, they are mentally deficient...

as in stoopid....weapons-grade stoopid.

[Percy]

13. You make such an important point.

Psychopaths are not people struggling with mental illness. They are physiologically built differently than the rest of us and have NO ability to feel or express emotion, no ability for empathy.

Dr. Robert Hare is a foremost authority on psychopathy today. According to him 1% of people are born psychopaths. That's a lot! Some say up to 4%. The well known ones are the cold blooded murderers we've read about in the newspapers, but the ones born into privilege and wealth go on to positions of power and influence. They have wreaked havoc among us and can easily be picked out throughout history. Some are in power today.

If anyone is interested here is Dr. Hare's book on the subject, "Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work". He's done many interviews about psychopathy and is features prominently in a BBC documentary on the subject, all of which is easily found online. I found it all really interesting reading and very liberating. Many of my questions about why things are the way they are were answered.

The dark triad: psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism has been talked about a lot in recent years and it's all depressing as so many of them seem to be coming out of the woodwork and ... getting involved in leadership roles and politics! They've been emboldened and barely hide what they are.

But there is good news ... we outnumber them by far. There's more interesting reading on "the light triad". The good guys.