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A nice refreshing fact based article that does not focus on broadcasting the most outrageous misinformation being spread by right wing personalities. Once again, vaccines are not a force field, but they are remarkably effective.
https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/22576904/us-new-covid-cases-rising-again-delta-variant
The decoupling between cases and deaths has really occurred, Andrew Pavia, who specializes in infectious diseases at the University of Utah, told reporters at an Infectious Diseases Society of America briefing last week. Were seeing an increase in deaths but not nearly to the degree previously.
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That share will grow as the delta variant becomes more dominant; as Irfan reported, the initial evidence suggests the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is still 80 percent effective in preventing illness. But that means a larger number of vaccinated people may contract the virus and feel symptoms as the variant continues to spread.
That is still a high success rate. The World Health Organization said last week that most vaccinated people who do contract the delta variant experience no symptoms. They may also be less likely to spread the virus, as they appear to shed less of it, CDC Deputy Director Jay Butler told reporters at the Infectious Diseases Society of America briefing.And the vaccines are still providing impressive protection against severe illness, which is reflected in the minuscule number of vaccinated people being hospitalized or dying of Covid-19.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,296 posts)Initech
(99,909 posts)PSPS
(13,512 posts)By definition, a vaccine prevents infection. What they're describing is merely a palliative which, while still far better than nothing, it doesn't prevent infection. Therefore, calling it a "vaccine" is inaccurate and misleading.
You didn't see a "mild" case of polio, or small pox, etc
so, begs the question, is anyone working on an actual vaccine?
Mariana
(14,847 posts)Because no vaccine is 100% effective, some people who got the vaccines still got the diseases, unless and until the diseases were eradicated from the area. "Mild" cases of polio were asymptomatic or resembled a cold. "Mild" cases of smallpox weren't as likely to be deadly. I had a "mild" case of measles after I was vaccinated for it (it still really sucked, measles is horrible).
The Covid-19 vaccines have been shown to prevent infection for most people who get them.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html
TomCADem
(17,378 posts)You ask, "so, begs the question, is anyone working on an actual vaccine?"
The U.S. has three actual COVID vaccines that are approved for use:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines.html
leftstreet
(36,076 posts)(lol I admit I'm no scientist)
I just thought the poster was making a good point, and I wondered if they'd ever develop a one and done Covid vaccine similar to those mentioned
Vaccine either prevents or ameliorates disease.
Mariana
(14,847 posts)The study looked at the effectiveness of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections among 3,950 study participants in six states over a 13-week period from December 14, 2020 to March 13, 2021.
Results showed that following the second dose of vaccine (the recommended number of doses), risk of infection was reduced by 90 percent two or more weeks after vaccination. Following a single dose of either vaccine, the participants risk of infection with SARS-CoV-2 was reduced by 80 percent two or more weeks after vaccination.
It takes about two weeks following each dose of vaccine for the body to produce antibodies that protect against infection. As a result, people are considered partially vaccinated two weeks after their first dose of mRNA vaccine and fully vaccinated two weeks after their second dose. These new vaccine effectiveness findings are consistent with those from Phase 3 clinical trials conducted with the vaccines before they received Emergency Use Authorizations from the Food and Drug Administration. Those clinical trials evaluated vaccine efficacy against COVID-19 disease, while this study evaluated vaccine effectiveness against infection, including infections that did not result in symptoms.
Initech
(99,909 posts)Has said that the only COVID patients he's seen in the last month and admitted to the hospital were unvaccinated people. Anyone who has had the vaccine and got COVID has had only a mild case of it - if nothing at all.
So yeah I think despite all the doom and gloom that we're seeing about Delta, this looks to be the case, and I don't believe that another lockdown is going to happen.
Mariana
(14,847 posts)Some people seem to be insisting that if a vaccine doesn't prevent infection 100% of the time for 100% of the people who get the vaccine, it's no good, or it shouldn't even be considered a vaccine. Ridiculous.
Initech
(99,909 posts)I think that's what people just aren't getting and what the media isn't reporting on this subject. Could you get COVID after getting the vaccine? Possible. But will it keep you from being admitted to the hospital and/or dying? Yes. It's not a miracle cure, but it is doing the job that it was designed to do.
Talking to my brother, what he said last week is that the only people he's admitted to the hospital with serious cases are those who are not vaccinated. Which is why getting the vaccine is important, I cannot stress that enough!
Mariana
(14,847 posts)Incidence is low in our area right now, and the vaccination rate is high, so she's seeing few cases - but the ones she does see aren't vaccinated.
This seems to be a common anti-vax talking point. They push the false premise that a vaccine has to be 100 percent effective to be considered a vaccine, which no vaccine is. Then, because no vaccine satisfies this false premise, they declare that vaccines are not effective.
TomCADem
(17,378 posts)Otherwise, I think your post is misleading to suggest that the current COVID vaccines are not really vaccines.
If anything, the current slate of vaccines are better in that they not only increase immunity, but even if someone gets COVID, the symptoms are mitigated, which is pretty similar to the flu vaccine.
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/how-effective-is-flu-vaccine#1
Raftergirl
(1,276 posts)yet a year later he got chicken pox. He had one pox on the palm of his hand. I still had to keep him out of school until it went away.
He most certainly got a vaccine.
Initech
(99,909 posts)As I said my brother has said that the ONLY people who he's admitted to the hospital in the last month are people who didn't get the vaccine. If you have the vaccine, you're far less likely to stay out of the hospital.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)This pandemic, and the vaccines, will greatly reduce the number of idiots in the next generation of humans. Families who have bought into idiocy will disproportionately lose members, and lose reproductive viability as they care for permanently disabled members. Unfortunately, they will harm many non-idiots along the way, but I believe that overall, the gene pool will benefit from this volunteer eugenics experiment.