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FirstLight

(13,355 posts)
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 06:04 PM Jul 2021

My 2 cents on Bezos...after seeing what Amazon has NOT done for Stockton

Stockton, CA is not a "destination" for many... My son recently was stationed there for the California Conservation Corps so I went to visit on his last day off before being sent out on assignment.

I googled a few "things to do in Stockton" saw there was the Bob Hope Theater, the Marina and river activities, etc...not much so I decided a trip to the mall with AC might be a better way for us to hang out.

Stockton is a hub of commerce and transportation. Both I-5 and Hwy 99 that traverse the state come through here. BIG buildings on the outer edges of town that have Blue trim and the Amazon trucks are moving stuff through the hub, the airport is directly by the USPS as well.

So out in the fields beyond town is where there's 2 HUGE new Amazon buildings for shipping...and yet around the whole area is poverty and squalor. Houses are few and far between, but most are run down with cars in the yard etc. lots of litter...there's some fast food and 7-11 right next to the freeway, but that's about it. It's a mile walk from the CCC facility to the 7-11 where the kids go for snacks, smokes, etc.

The mall was way out on the other side of town, definitely in a "better" neighborhood, fewer bars on windows... just beyond it seemed to be a more middle class area. But near downtown was this mix of delapidation and a city trying to pull itself out of something...
We ended up circling downtown cuz there was a movie theater and my son had the idea to see a movie. but the parking was on street and I was literally not comfortable leaving my car unattended.The Homeless population is everywhere and the huge camp is literally right next to the Marina. (Not bashing the homeless, just felt like increased risk for crime, very "sketchy" feeling)

I was horrified by the amount of obvious poverty and the obvious decay of the area. (And I grew up in Oakland, so I've seen a few things...)
Id never really been there, but it was obvious that some buildings had been fixed up, but there were NO commercial businesses inside. Other buildings were literally condemned and boarded up, gorgeous historical buildings just left to rot...

And the Bob Hope Theater is beautiful, flanked by 2 empty buildings in decay as well...

~ ~ ~

So When I think of Bezos, I think about someone who capitalizes on the cheap land outside of a struggling city, where eradicating poverty/homelessness and rebuilding could be a way to help mankind...and he chooses to play astronaut.

I bet he's never driven through that city, either. But his new buildings are sure shiny. wonder where he will find the workers?

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My 2 cents on Bezos...after seeing what Amazon has NOT done for Stockton (Original Post) FirstLight Jul 2021 OP
Where's the mayor and city council? jimfields33 Jul 2021 #1
I dont know...I tried to look on the city website after and couldnt really find much FirstLight Jul 2021 #2
Not a bad point at all. jimfields33 Jul 2021 #3
I think looking to corporations CrackityJones75 Jul 2021 #12
true, proper taxation would do more to helo the areas where these people do business FirstLight Jul 2021 #16
Yeah. CrackityJones75 Jul 2021 #17
Downtown Oakland is a prime example FirstLight Jul 2021 #18
Too lazy to look it up gratuitous Jul 2021 #4
I grew up in Stockton, Graduated from Franklin High School: bobalew Jul 2021 #5
I went to Stagg. CoopersDad Jul 2021 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2021 #6
Well Mackenzie Scott (Bezos' ex) is giving away billions Arazi Jul 2021 #8
Amazon does pay somewhat well at least Sympthsical Jul 2021 #7
Stockton is still trying to recover from Reagan admin drug dump of the 80's nt joetheman Jul 2021 #13
Stockton is the victim of unrestrained and unsustainable development. CoopersDad Jul 2021 #9
The greatest band is from Stockton lame54 Jul 2021 #10
Stockton, CA has been in decline for decades. MineralMan Jul 2021 #14
No I do not ...I admit I just made an observation based on a day-trip FirstLight Jul 2021 #15

jimfields33

(15,688 posts)
1. Where's the mayor and city council?
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 06:06 PM
Jul 2021

That’s who should fix the city. There are Amazon warehouses everywhere. There is one six miles from my home in north central Florida.

FirstLight

(13,355 posts)
2. I dont know...I tried to look on the city website after and couldnt really find much
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 06:11 PM
Jul 2021

It's like they have all these great pics of what it is or should be, but that's not the reality.

I just think about Amazon having all this real estate and investing in the area...maybe there could be some effort to work with the city and create some humanitarian and economic revitalization?

Stockton was one of the largest cities to go Bankrupt in 2012, followed by Detriot. I *did* find that nuggett.

I just think if you are going to be "creating jobs" in an area by building these huge warehouses, you'd maybe use it as an opportunity to create a thriving city to attract more people to live & work there.

jimfields33

(15,688 posts)
3. Not a bad point at all.
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 06:14 PM
Jul 2021

I just hope Amazon is at least paying a decent wage. That’s step one. Perhaps cities need to add some added requirements into the contract like city development. I think you are on to something.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
12. I think looking to corporations
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:06 PM
Jul 2021

I think looking to corporations and the uber wealthy to fix our cities or other situations is a very VERY bad idea. Incredibly bad actually. They should be taxed! And taxed appropriately. They shouldn’t be taxed punitively but just appropriately and that money should be used to benefit the city.

Putting our faith in corporations/businesses/uber wealthy means being tied to their interests which are not always going to be congruent with what is good for the public.

FirstLight

(13,355 posts)
16. true, proper taxation would do more to helo the areas where these people do business
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 06:04 PM
Jul 2021

I was having a moment of "if you're gonna spend $ or donate millions, put it somewhere it can do good"

But you are right, I wouldnt want that billionare (or ANY ONE person) making decisions for a city, that's what city council and planning comittees etc are for

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
17. Yeah.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 06:41 PM
Jul 2021

I do agree he could do some stuff locally where his buildings are set up but also have to be careful of gentrification and displacing people who won’t be able to afford i creasing taxes.

I have seen that happen before too.

FirstLight

(13,355 posts)
18. Downtown Oakland is a prime example
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 07:14 PM
Jul 2021

The city did a great job making some real improvements, but nobody can afford to live there...shit, the whole Bay Area is that way it seems...

bobalew

(321 posts)
5. I grew up in Stockton, Graduated from Franklin High School:
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 06:35 PM
Jul 2021

Things have gotten far worse there since all the canneries left for Manteca & Modesto. The ecomomy was based upon agricultural work, & the canneries. When the canning season ended, the next step was 6 months of Unemployment, year after year. That was 57% of Stockton's Economy. 18%, was people on disability & welfare, which probably persists. whatever is left, is the merchant & professional classes.. & that is diminishing quickly. The whole premise of the ruling Class in Stockton, is to keep agricultural wages as low as possible, no matter who that hurts. It's been that way for a long time. It has continuously gotten worse over the years. Bezos fell into a low wage area, there, so he can continue his selfish Bullsh*t.

CoopersDad

(2,192 posts)
11. I went to Stagg.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:40 AM
Jul 2021

And Webster, and Victory Elementary and agree with all you say.

It's been painful to watch the downtown decay while suburban sprawl takes over farmland.

Not just downtown but really everything that isn't the new stuff Spanos et al are building.

I no longer live there.

Response to FirstLight (Original post)

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
8. Well Mackenzie Scott (Bezos' ex) is giving away billions
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 06:58 PM
Jul 2021

Dolly Parton, Oprah Winfrey also come to mind. I think Paul Newman's foundation has also literally given away billions. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is legit but could do much much MUCH more. JB Pritzker, the Illinois governor, is another billionaire mensch.

There are (very rare) billionaires who appear to be doing good work but they are the exception, not the rule.

Sympthsical

(9,037 posts)
7. Amazon does pay somewhat well at least
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 06:48 PM
Jul 2021

$17-$18/hr for full time entry warehouse jobs. And they will pretty much hire anyone.

The problem is that the working conditions are so unpleasant. They will run you ragged. They monitor you every single second. And if you're not used to walking many, many miles a day, the job is not for you.

Stockton is, well, Stockton. When I read your "things to do in Stockton" phrase, my first flip reply was, "Avoid meth."

These tech companies should be investing in their communities. Maybe the income from Amazon will help. But $17/hr only goes so far.

It's like with Richmond. They want to convert Hilltop Mall into a center for biotech. And you almost think, "Oh, this will be great for Richmond!" But, I mean, will it? Or will the poor get displaced as tech workers start migrating for cheaper housing closer to work? Where I am, Solano County, is seeing a ton of building and development, because developers are anticipating tech finally moving into North Bay. There's a lot of land here, and housing is far cheaper (why I bought my house here).

Yeah, Stockton isn't great. I was down in Fresno not too long ago, and . . . oof. Not a lot better.

But tech taking advantage and gentrifying isn't really a new story for the Bay Area.

CoopersDad

(2,192 posts)
9. Stockton is the victim of unrestrained and unsustainable development.
Tue Jul 20, 2021, 06:59 PM
Jul 2021

When the otherwise lovely downtown surrounding a seaport and served by rail could have revitalized like so many other cities have, it chose to push outward, occupying more and more acreage of prime farmland.

That mall you're talking about was built in the 60s and began the demise of the downtown that formerly had the Sears Roebuck, Penneys, Newberry's and more. It's always been easier for developers to build new shiny things while letting older things die.

We now have those suburbs around March and Robinhood, the mall, in deep decline while newer developments, Brookside and things even further north along 8 mile road, are more popular.

The south side has always been in and stayed in decline, thus the opportunity for an employer like Amazon to drop in and exploit those already living in poverty.

Stockton is, to some degree, a bedroom community to jobs in the Bay Area. It's a shame they never courted higher paying high tech industries as much as they might have.

And, don't blame the mayor or the council. There are hard-working well-meaning people in that town, always have been, but national politics and economics prey on communities like Stockton, one of the hardest hit during the mortgage mess.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
14. Stockton, CA has been in decline for decades.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:15 PM
Jul 2021

I believe that Amazon is only recently doing business there. The reality is that its distribution center there will, no doubt, pump new life into that city. Amazon did not cause the poverty there, but is not offering well-paying jobs to people who live there.

Perhaps your disdain is based on misinformation. I know Stockton. You apparently do not.

Perhaps you would be interested in this article:

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/amazon-to-bring-1000-new-jobs-to-stockton-with-second-location/103-595642480

FirstLight

(13,355 posts)
15. No I do not ...I admit I just made an observation based on a day-trip
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 06:01 PM
Jul 2021

But I do think that someone upthread is right....taxing the wealthy appropriately would definitely help local areas where they choose to do business as well...

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