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Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:12 AM

'I'm sorry, but it's too late' Alabama doctor on treating unvaccinated, dying COVID patients

Birmingham news

Dr. Brytney Cobia said Monday that all but one of her COVID patients in Alabama did not receive the vaccine. The vaccinated patient, she said, just needed a little oxygen and is expected to fully recover. Some of the others are dying.

“I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections,” wrote Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, in an emotional Facebook post Sunday. “One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late.”

Three COVID-19 vaccines have been widely available in Alabama for months now, yet the state is last in the nation in vaccination rate, with only 33.7 percent of the population fully vaccinated. COVID-19 case numbers and hospitalizations are surging yet again due to the more contagious Delta variant of the virus and Alabama’s low vaccination rate.

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Reply 'I'm sorry, but it's too late' Alabama doctor on treating unvaccinated, dying COVID patients (Original post)
brooklynite Jul 21 OP
jpak Jul 21 #1
Native Jul 21 #47
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Warpy Thursday #150
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CrackityJones75 Jul 21 #79
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Magoo48 Jul 21 #115
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Politicub Jul 21 #126
Warpy Jul 21 #127
Pinback Jul 21 #135
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Ferrets are Cool Jul 21 #133
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Cracklin Charlie Jul 21 #2
PatSeg Jul 21 #8
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:15 AM

1. Give them a bible and a MAGA hat

Oh wait....

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Response to jpak (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:38 AM

47. "Healthy, young people" according to the article. That includes Dems.

I'm in Florida. In one of our redder counties, we have a high vaccination rate (older Repukes who actually followed the science), and yet in other counties with a higher proportion of Dems we have a lot of unvaccinated, younger people who either think that because they are young and healthy they are invulnerable or they believe the myths about reproduction being compromised by the vaccine. Every time I interact with the employees at my doctor's office or at stores, and even customer service reps I'm on the phone with, I ask them which vaccine they got. That seems to work a lot better than asking them if they got vaccinated. I have yet to meet anybody that's been taken aback by my question, and with one exception everyone who hasn't gotten the vaccine that I've spoken with fell into one of those two categories. The exception was a woman in her 40s who had put off getting the vaccine simply because she was confused about all the information with regard to the different vaccines that were available. She wanted to make sure she got the best one. We talked for a few minutes, and she thanked me for the information I gave her and said she'd be making an appointment that afternoon.

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Response to Native (Reply #47)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:00 PM

100. My daughter came home the other day and said "Mom, a nutcase is going to be praying for you."

Daughter works in a hardware/decorating store and was working with this elderly lady assisting her in picking out paint swatches. She kept going on and on about Trump, how dangerous the vaccine is, how she hoped my daughter hadn't gotten the vaccine, and why was she still wearing a mask when it was so unhealthy. My daughter offered me up as sacrifice and said "I'm wearing a mask because my Mom is in the middle of chemo". That started her off on a whole new tangent that ended with her telling my daughter that she'd be praying for me. Over an hour helping the lady and no sale of anything - just paint chips collected.

We live/work in the bluest section of Delaware and my daughter is constantly running into customers who are Trumpers, maskholes, and anti-vaxers.

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Response to Native (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 01:17 AM

150. Never underestimate the power of procrastination

combined with a change in the rules that allow them to walk into Wally's off the street and get a shot, rather than use the cumbersome sign up process.

Health care people get no joy out of telling people they dithered too long and now they're probably going to die.

Time's up. If you haven't gotten the shot, get it now. The first shot does give good protection. The second shot makes sure it lasts a long time instead of wearing off after a few months.

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Response to jpak (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:53 AM

63. That moment when they realize

they are victims of the republican party, fox news, and right wing hate media.

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Response to jpak (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:15 AM

75. Some of them weren't bible beating MAGAts, I'm sure.

They just thought youth and good health would keep them from getting more than a mild case of this thing, so they procrastinated.

Well, it didn't work out that way.

I feel sorry for everybody who gets really ill with this bug. I was sick enough, and nowhere near calling an ambulance on myself, and it was still miserable.

The ones I have no sympathy for are the propagandists who cynically manipulated their audiences on right wing media and Fakebook in order to cause chaos in this country with a new surge of a preventable virus.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #75)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:21 AM

79. I really do not care anymore.

Anyone that willfully chose to not get the vaccine but otherwise had no health related reasons to not get it or for some reason could not get it…. I have zero sympathy. I don’t care about the ignorant getting covid. There is no excuse for ignorance on this issue. None.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #79)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:25 AM

80. My sentiments exactly. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #80)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 04:45 PM

130. They tempted fate and now it is time to pay the piper.


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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #79)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:39 AM

90. I do because this virus is constantly mutating

whenever it can find a host to replicate in. Mutations tend to be pretty random, but we've already seen successful ones making the virus much more contagious. The next mutation might make it much more lethal.

That's what people don't understand about this thing.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:59 AM

99. The story is about unvaccinated getting sick

The story is about unvaccinated getting sick and dying or suffering. I do not give a shit about them anymore if they fit the conditions that I laid out. Me having sympathy for these dumbasses isn’t going to convince them to have gotten the shot when they should have. Thus I do not care about their circumstances due to their own stupidity.

It has nothing to do with variants. In fact because of their contributing to variant development it makes me care even less about their situations. Fuck em.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #99)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:08 PM

103. It has everything to do with them.

Perhaps this is why I was a nurse and you're not. Even the people we consider worthless in our daily lives can hurt.

After all, this is how right wingers reacted to gay men when HIV started to kill them, it's some kind of judgment for who they are. No, it's a disease and diseases are equal opportunity killers.

U don't want either procrastinators or wingnuts to get this disease. If they do and they get deathly ill, I hope their suffering is limited.

Mostly, I hope they scare all the people around them into getting the vaccine so we can turn this disease into an inconvenience.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #103)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:30 PM

110. Baloney.

YOU can care about their circumstance all you want. That’s fine. But that isn’t where you went with it in your first reply. This isn’t at all like AIDS on the 80’s. Not even close.

We HAVE a vaccination for covid. To the best of my knowledge we still do not have a vaccination for AIDS though there are some preventative things beyond condoms these days. Though it costs money.

We are talking about people CHOOSING to NOT getting a FREE vaccination. These people have willingly put themselves into their own situation and at the same time have put the general public in danger.

Is it sad they are dying? Sure. Sad that they didn’t listen to logic and reason and didn’t pay attention to the overwhelming information telling them to get the damned shot. Instead of listening to the CDC they listened to garbage information put out by garbage sources.

Again I don’t feel sorry for any of them in those situations. YOU may choose differently. Nowhere have I said that YOU need to think the same as me. However, these people put me, my family, and my community at risk with their continued ignorance right up until they are too far gone to do anything about it. Again, fuck em. They chose it. They own it.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #110)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:43 PM

115. Compassion for suffering has nothing to do with circumstances.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #115)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 02:21 PM

122. Sure.

Nowhere did I say they should suffer. They get what they had coming to them. That’s what they chose.

Fuck them. Especially fuck them for putting people at those same risks that didn’t choose that consequence.

Look nowhere did I say that people should suffer. Not once. All I said is that I don’t give a shit about them facing the consequences of their own actions. Too fucking bad for them. It sucks they have to die a shitty death. But fuck em for putting other people potentially at risk of the same thing.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #110)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:44 PM

116. Compassion for suffering has nothing to do with circumstances.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #103)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:40 PM

113. Thank You. Compassion for suffering doesn't take sides and

doesn’t favor awareness over ignorance. I adopt this stance for purely selfish reasons; I’m happier and more content this way.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #113)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 02:22 PM

123. NOWHERE did I say they should suffer.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 03:02 PM

126. Can we agree to create a bot or a macro for this exchange?

Poster 1 - “The unvaxxed made their bed.”

Poster 2 - “But variants and mutations tho.”

Less bandwidth. Same sentiment.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #126)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 03:15 PM

127. Sure, have a ball.

Last edited Wed Jul 21, 2021, 04:05 PM - Edit history (1)

I'd love to be ale to stop pointing out the obvious.

Edit:: Can't tell I'm going blind, no suh.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 05:44 PM

135. Thank you.

I agree with this and your other posts in this thread.

The unvaccinated are variant factories for this virus. "Not giving a shit" about their hospitalization or death may be emotionally satisfying for some, but it does nothing to stop the spread -- or to keep medical services available for others (and spare the energies and psychological well-being of the caregivers who take care of patients).

And basic human compassion is part of being a Democrat, or so I've heard.

As for the unvaccinated MAGAts, I want them to live long enough to see Republicans humiliated in upcoming elections.

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Response to Pinback (Reply #135)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:54 AM

146. These are my sentiments exactly.

Especially this bit: "And basic human compassion is part of being a Democrat, or so I've heard."

I know a lot of us are getting pretty frustrated with the segment of this country's population that is refusing to get a safe, effective, and free vaccine and thereby putting the health care system under a strain and putting themselves and others in danger. I get that. I understand where those emotions are coming from. It's absolutely infuriating to see the number of covid cases and especially the number of deaths staring to rend upward, just when we were all starting to feel things were getting so much better.

However, as a Democrat, it saddens me to see fellow Democrats give in to the urge to feel this way. Compassion for the suffering of others is part of basic human decency, imo. It's something that should ideally be freely given to all, not just to those who have ticked certain boxes that qualify them to "deserve" it. I know there are a great many people who don't see things that way. But I am just foolish and idealistic enough to hope for better from myself and from my fellow Democrats.

I am not going to tell anyone else how to feel. I realize I have no right to do that. I just think there's something to be said for striving to rise above emotions like anger and resentment rather than allowing ourselves to be consumed by them. You are all OF COURSE free to disagree as strongly as you like.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #75)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 04:56 PM

133. I have no sympathy for anyone who has not already gotten a shot, IF eligible.

And, I think most are.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #133)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 11:43 AM

155. I'm afraid I've found it hard to pull away from that.

I’ve never had much understanding about blunders that are self-inflicted.

For Pete’s sake, the facts are there!

The truth is THERE!

Reality is THERE!!! And free and available to everyone.

It isn’t being hidden or somehow rationed or issued in some secret club to which only elites can belong.

The willfully ignorant who choose to stay that way are beyond my ability to sympathize or empathize. I’m trying to understand. And it just keeps eluding me.

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Response to calimary (Reply #155)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 02:31 PM

156. I would have NO sympathy for a person who played Russian Roulette and

blew their brains out. This is NO different IMO.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:16 AM

2. This article should be required reading for everyone.

And especially, for every member of Congress.

Republicans…you are killing your constituents. Is that really what you want? Because murder has consequences.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:36 AM

8. As does loss of voters

They are killing off their own supporters by encouraging their ignorance. Dead people can't vote.

Cool post count - 9,999!

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:02 AM

24. RepuQs don't care if they kill off their voters

They are too busy criminalizing bothe big and little "D" Democratic voters. They are aiming to eliminate voting for everyone who is not rich, male, and white.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:37 AM

46. Yes

I suppose they will just compensate by eliminating as many Democratic voters as possible.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:51 AM

62. They also expect them to

Replenish their numbers since they breed real fast and nobody can get abortions so...

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #62)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:58 AM

152. Yes, there is that too

"We can always make more!"

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:34 AM

43. Their supporters are just collateral damage.

Many black and Latino people also have refused the vaccine, and Republicans know that these communities tend to have higher infection/death rates than whites. Now that the virus is spreading in heavily white communities, though, they’re having second thoughts. Wish we could find a way to get more of the minority community vaccinated. Some of it may be distrust of vaccines, but I wonder if more of it is that these people work a lot of hours and haven’t prioritized getting the vaccine. It would be great if mobile vaccine vans parked outside groceries and even restaurants and bars to help reach more people.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:41 AM

53. Being we will be dealing with this virus and its variants

for a long time, mobile vaccine vans would be a good idea. I've been in situations in my life, where I could not have gotten to a vaccination center.

I seem to remember mobile vans for TB screening when I was young and they still use them in other parts of the world.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #53)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 03:55 PM

129. They are doing this. Mobile clinics using vans and buses. Not sure how widespread they are though.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #129)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:10 AM

154. That is good to know

They will probably be needed for quite some time and it is possible, even probable that we will face other pandemics in the coming years.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:36 AM

45. They seem to think dead people can and do vote. n/t

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Response to Harker (Reply #45)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:42 AM

55. Yeah, but for some reason,

that is only Democratic voters in their minds!

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #55)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:43 AM

57. We're special that way.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:14 AM

73. Don't Be So Sure

Dead people can't vote.


Not necessarily -- the few scattered cases of actual vote fraud that have turned up are mostly MAGAtroids casting votes for Trump in the names of dead relatives.

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Response to smb (Reply #73)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 08:02 AM

153. Funny

how so often they are guilty of what they accuse Democrats, isn't it? They tend to assume everyone is as dishonest as they are, but of course, when they do it, it is somehow justified. They are the "chosen people" in their minds.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:42 AM

14. They won't believe it (antivax crowd). They think it's fake news or fear porn.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:50 AM

17. And Fox is killing its viewers.

This is a demographic time bomb.

The Reptilian Party will pay dearly for genociding its own people.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:04 AM

27. Voting is out. Cheating is in.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:41 AM

54. Don't Tell Them That! They Might Change Their Minds!

Let them keep improving the country and the gene pool by leaving both!

I've said before, generally no sympathy at all for the unvaccinated, unless of course there's a real, valid reason (and there aren't many of those).

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:26 AM

3. As comedian, Ron White would say...

“You can’t fix stupid!”
If theses adult children can’t vaccinate to safeguard their own lives, than they are doomed to suffer the dire consequences.

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Response to Omnipresent (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:31 AM

7. Oh yeah, we have a meme for that

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Response to underpants (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 01:40 PM

121. Hopefully, before the 2022 midterms.

If Stupid could die, before casting its vote for a QANON Republican, that would truly make America great again!

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Response to underpants (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:05 PM

145. Great meme! I have to show this to a guy at work... thanks!

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Response to underpants (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 07:57 AM

151. I like that meme

But, I have to tell you that my response to Mr. Covid is, "Well, there are over a million dead, and there are plenty who still will not get a vaccine or even try to protect themselves, so I would say you have not fixed anything. Sorry."

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:27 AM

4. Ironic that Evangelicals constantly admonish sinners to find Jesus before it's too late.

You'd think they'd get the concept.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:49 AM

15. And they also call themselves "pro life" yet do nothing to protect

their own lives or the lives of others.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:15 AM

74. If The Don't Wise Up And Get Vaccinated, A Lot Of Them Will Find Jesus Sooner Than They Expected nt

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Response to smb (Reply #74)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:54 AM

97. unfortunately a lot of them are fine with that concept.....

They don't mind mass destruction, nuclear war, pestilence or death. They feel it will speed the rapture and they will be whisked away.

Little do they know that even if the rapture were real, they wouldn't be the ones taken.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:46 PM

117. Sadly, God sent the Evangelicals a vaccine to save them

... but most of them are refusing it.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:29 AM

5. I find myself wondering if that's really true with the new generation of vaccines.

That may be conventional wisdom based on previous vaccines.

However, this is a purely academic rhetorical ponderance because I GOT THE VACCINE MONTHS AGO! (thank you Biden/Harris and the Democrats!)

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Response to Hugin (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:37 AM

9. What is it you wonder is really true with the new generation of vaccines? nt.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:50 AM

16. They would provide no benefit if given therapeutically.

Along with the synthetically produced antibodies to amp up antibody presence in the patient.

This would maybe work best if given to an unvaccinated patient at the first sign of infection, though. Well before the massive inflammation and tissue damage necessitating putting them on a ventilator.

Of course, this is all not FDA approved so they wouldn't want it anyway.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:54 AM

21. I would imagine if they thought it would work

They would be doing it.

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Response to mgardener (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:03 AM

25. If some are, we'd never hear about it.

Outside of a sanctioned study, the ramifications on a health care provider due to the regulatory structure would be catastrophic. (Even if the regimen is effective)

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Response to Hugin (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:15 AM

31. The antibodies are not synthetically produced.

Your body produced them the same w way it always has.

What is synthetically produced are the spike proteins (rather than injecting deaf or attenuated virus, the mRNA instructs your body to create the spike protein), which is in turn used to trigger your body to produce the antibodies the old fashioned way.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:31 AM

41. The synthetically produced antibodies I was referring to are...

the Monoclonal Antibodies. (FDA approved in Nov 2020.)

I realize the antibodies produced via the vaccines are generated the same way as before.

However, aren't more antibodies from whatever source better? The patient's immune system being trained to produce it's own antibodies as soon as possible seems to be a good thing.

(This is all rhetorical, of course)

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Response to Hugin (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:57 AM

65. It has helped some people with long haul COVID infections

the vaccine response gave them enough antibodies to finally beat the virus after several months. These were folks isolating at home, not being hospitalized or on a ventilator.

It's worth researching but probably too late for people who are about to die in the hospital.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #65)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:03 AM

67. Actually, that is the source of my ponderance.

Yeah, the earlier one receives the vaccine the better.

LIKE BEFORE ONE IS INFECTED!

I can't believe we're still having this discussion. (Disclaimer: Except for those who wish to be vaccinated, but, can not due to circumstances beyond their control.)

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Response to Hugin (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:57 AM

98. why should they care about the FDA?

Doesn't the F stand for Federal?

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Response to dianaredwing (Reply #98)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 01:00 AM

148. Actually, it stands for "food." 😉

FDA = Food and Drug Administration. But of course it IS a federal agency, regardless of what any of the letters stand for!

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Response to Hugin (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 04:45 PM

131. I don't think vaccination would work as a

treatment because all the vaccines do is "teach" the immune system who the enrmy is in order to build up a reserve army of trained cells in advance, in order to mount an immediate counter attack if the virus shows up.

When an unvaccinated person gets infected, the immune system does not need a vaccine to tell it who the enemy is. It already knows as soon as it gets "attacked" (infected) and then starts building up an army of counter attack cells. At that point, the vaccine has nothing to offer except info about who the enemy is, which the immune system has already just discovered.

Also, the mRNA vaccines require 2 doses 3 weeks apart to be effective in teaching the immune system what it already knows once a person is infected.

The vaccines don't create antibodies. They just tell the immune system what to make antibodies for and then, with that information, the immune system makes the antibodies.

The fact that infected people ask for vaccination AFTER they have been infected shows that they don't understand what vaccines do, which might explain why some of them don't get vaccinated in advance of getting sick. They apparently think that vaccines are medicine when vaccines are only a preventative that has to be done in advance.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:30 AM

6. I was going to go to the REI store in Birmingham

Don’t see that happening anytime soon.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:38 AM

10. Another illustration of the power of the Internet and social media to do bad things

I really just started asking them, ‘Why haven’t you gotten the vaccine?’ And I’ll just ask it point blank, in the least judgmental way possible,” she said. “And most of them, they’re very honest, they give me answers. ‘I talked to this person, I saw this thing on Facebook, I got this email, I saw this on the news,’ you know, these are all the reasons that I didn’t get vaccinated.

“And the one question that I always ask them is, did you make an appointment with your primary care doctor and ask them for their opinion on whether or not you should receive the vaccine? And so far, nobody has answered yes to that question.”



These people aren’t inherently stupid or evil; they’ve just picked bad sources of information to base their reality on. This is the fight against the RW that we have always had. And now those bad sources are actively killing people.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:40 AM

11. My brother--in his 50's--refuses to get the vaccine because

all of his news comes from his Facebook buddies. He's that stupid.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:53 AM

19. They are not picking their disinformation sources by accident.

They watch evil hateful garbage because they like evil hateful garbage.

Garbage in, garbage out.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:07 AM

29. !!!!THIS!!!!

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:19 AM

33. how many even have a primary care practitioner?

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Response to Kali (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:39 AM

49. I have never had one.

I think for most people, that's something they say in TV commercials for the latest immune-suppression drugs. It's not a real thing.

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Response to Kali (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 05:47 PM

136. It's the DR you go to for an annual physical. Do most people not do that?

I don't know anyone who does not have a PCP.

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #136)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 06:05 PM

137. there are thousands if not millions who don't have a PCP

or annual physicals. things are vastly improved with Obama Care, but we sure as hell aren't "there" yet. really? you aren't aware there are many in this country without regular healthcare?

I know a number of people with no doctor or insurance. They got their vaccine at pharmacies or county run events. no PCP to talk to or get an annual.

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Response to Kali (Reply #137)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 06:42 PM

139. Oh well, they should buy health care thru the ACA exchanges to keep on top of their health.

It's important to get regular check ups especially as one ages.

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #139)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 06:50 PM

141. wow

they should just buy it, I mean it must be a simple thing, right? not sure you understand how blinded by privilege you sound, but maybe try to see from another perspective???

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Response to beaglelover (Reply #139)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 08:34 PM

144. You can't buy ACA coverage if you are below poverty annual income in non-Medicaid expansion states.

I live in a state where almost 500,000 people cannot get ACA or Medicaid insurance because the state did not expand Medicaid coverage to the working poor.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:23 AM

36. not the internet and social media per se; it's the balkanization of information that's the problem

the problem is when people live in information bubbles and only get their information and advice from limited sources that only reinforce each other while ignoring or condemning conflicting view.

now, the internet and social media currently enable this behavior, but the problem existed before modern technology. arguably, the time between the original widespread adoption of television and the advent of hundreds of cable news stations marked a fairly unique time in history where people were not largely getting their news from parochial, diverse, and sometimes fringe sources.

more specifically, our problem today is the right-wing cult, where people adamantly refuse to even consider logic and reason and actual facts. the fill their brains with foxnews and similar, confirming sources, all of which tell them that anyone who disagrees is unpatriotic and evil.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:44 AM

58. They're Not Inherently Stupid

But their behavior is stupid.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:41 AM

12. Sad.

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Response to twodogsbarking (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:04 AM

26. No. It isn't "sad". It's ridiculous and just plain stupid.

The Facebook newsies are deliberately choosing their "news" sources. They know better (and you know deep down that they do), but they're seeking validation from like-minded persons who believe what they believe despite every attempt by others to convince them otherwise. Their god(s) of idolatry are rightwing nut jobs spewing the gospel of Q and tRump.

I stopped caring about these cretins months ago. Back then I was frustrated at their obstinance, but months on now - long after the vaccine uptake in this country took hold and there was concrete evidential proof that they were safe and very effective in preventing infection, or at the very least, preventing such severe infections that resulted in the suffers' deaths, the perpetual naysayers are still digging in their collective heels and refusing to save themselves and their families from the ravages of this illness. It's not only profoundly stupid, it's selfish grandstanding for a "cause". I no long care about them, whether their true believe status is for a political or a religious cause.

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Response to Texin (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:26 AM

38. All of what you stated is sad (and true), even not caring about them.

Is this what we have become? This is not a personal attack on you but a general displeasure with the state of mankind and Americans especially.

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Response to twodogsbarking (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:03 AM

68. I know what you're saying. And I don't take it as an attack.

But there's the fact that it is a known risk to the heroic to jump in to "save" a drowning person. People who are drowning very often drag their rescuers to their own deaths because of their frantic flailing (but at least with someone who is drowning, they realize the peril they're in!). The current anti-vaxxers can see what's going on, but they refuse to heed the warnings because of their agenda - whatever it is, whether religious, anti-science or political. At some point, one has to recognize that trying to save (or reach) the doomed is futile and the attempt to help, educate or warn is meaningless to those who will not be helped because they won't let themselves be helped.

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Response to Texin (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:17 AM

76. I'm sure their friends and family are sad

Probably doubly sad because the deaths were preventable.

It's just tragic.

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Response to twodogsbarking (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:29 AM

39. Especially the young people who spent the last

Especially blithe young people who spent the last year and a half relatively safely, in more danger from driving than Covid and believing their family and friends were right.

Of course people who grow up in this era aren’t going to die young. That’s supposed to be our birthright.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:42 AM

13. Heartbreaking ❤️

“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”

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Response to underpants (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:06 PM

102. not only heartbreaking but it makes you wonder

They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick.

What are these sources telling them? That certain skin colors don't get the disease?

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Response to NJCher (Reply #102)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 01:01 PM

118. I remember there were tricked about O neg being more immune

More immune not totally immune. No idea what came of that.

Remember also very early on very few black people were getting it so THAT spread around social media. I’d guess that these Alabamians they heard of all the “cities” being hotspots and figured that to mean Black people.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:51 AM

18. Kick

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:54 AM

20. Dumbasses who think the vaccine is a cure instead of a preventive...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:14 AM

30. Unfortunately, that shows up in movies and TV shows all the time...

Movies like Outbreak, etc.

The reality of how medicine works seldom shows up in fantasy land.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:22 AM

34. +1. "Give me that vaccine right now so I can go home!"

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:58 AM

22. I wouldn't even reply back to them.

Useless morons.

Healthcare workers are going to need therapy for PTSD when this pandemic finally ends.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:34 AM

44. We are quitting.

We can barely staff a hospital right now. Everyone is tired. A friend who worked as an ICU nurse just left and took a 9-5 job.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:38 AM

48. I'm not surprised one bit.

Who can blame her? At a certain point it becomes self preservation, physically and mentally.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:40 AM

50. I'm so sorry.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 04:55 PM

132. I know 2 RNs who left to work at Costco. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:02 AM

23. I guess they

just aren't praying it away hard enough.

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Response to keithsw (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:04 AM

28. Not enough wrist action in the hard clapping. n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:16 AM

32. The cruelty in some of these replies astounds me.

This is a tragedy.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:33 AM

42. +1

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Response to nolabear (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:40 AM

52. The tragedy that shouldn't be a tragedy.

They made their choice. We all make choices and have to live by them.

President Macron is damn right.

https://then24.com/2021/07/20/this-time-you-are-staying-at-home-not-us-macrons-message-to-those-who-do-not-want-to-be-vaccinated-in-france/

The vaccine is available at any pharmacy or clinic in the US.

Get it, morons.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:51 AM

61. At this point, it's the tragedy that almost wasn't.

The only real promise made by the Biden/Harris administration is that there would be enough vaccine available to anyone who wanted it. Which they followed through on months ago. Much to my personal delight.

The level of vaccinated persons was a goal. A goal is quite different from a promise. It depends on cooperation. These people would rather get sick and die rather than cooperate.

We are being held hostage by the death cult surrounding a vaccinated cowardly man child.

Sick world.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:38 AM

88. I agree with Macron. Calling them morons only does harm.

If someone calls you a moron how likely are you to be open to the next thing they say?

But that’s just counterproductive. Celebrating their suffering and death? That’s cruel. It’s against anything I stand for. YMMV.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:53 AM

95. Thanks for the link of Pres. Macron's response...it was very very appropriate and spot

on. I reproduced some of his verbiage...it was to the point and very pointed against these idiots that are holding a sizable chunk of us (the vaccinated) hostage...and he makes a very good argument in that it is they (the non-vaccinated) who are keeping us from fully being free again, to be able to do things 100% as before and not us. It is they (non vaccinated) who are impacting my freedom.

As for the French who oppose being vaccinated, the message has been strong. The government’s position is that They have the right not to inoculate themselves, but not to put others at risk: “I am in favor of the French line right now. I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you are staying at home, not us ”.

Those that do not have a valid vaccination card should not be allowed to go anywhere (must remain at home), or do anything until they are vaccinated and the rest of society is protected. Isn't it time for the rest of us to have a say about our 'rights' too?

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Response to nolabear (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:46 AM

59. Antivaxxer behavior is cruel.

These assholes adopted that behavior because they take their "information" from cruel sources. They pay attention to cruel sources because they like cruelty.

Their cruelty is hurting themselves and innocent people who are exposed to them.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #59)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:01 AM

66. This

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #59)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:34 AM

85. You assume much. And that seems also cruel to me.

There’s a difference between condemning behavior and celebrating suffering. A big one.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #85)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:36 AM

86. Yeah, I crossed that line a few months ago. Their continued cruelty gets no sympathy from me.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #86)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:45 AM

91. What tells you these people were cruel?

Nothing in the story says that to me. Deluded, foolish, fearful, victimized—they didn’t believe the danger was real, or the vaccine was safe, or whatever crazy thing they thought. But this story was simply about people who are dying because of those things, and terrified, and suddenly realizing what they believed is about to end their lives. I just can’t spit on them. If they were doing what tfg and FOX and ilk are doing I’d feel differently. But honestly, I wouldn’t love that part of me. So yes, we all have lines.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #91)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:47 AM

93. Deliberately self-deluded by choosing to get all their information from cruel sources.

There's a reason decent people can't stand to watch Fux news and read bullshit memes on Twit and Fascistbook. Decent people are repulsed by cruelty.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #93)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:25 PM

107. I'll take the doctor's attitude instead.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #107)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 01:14 AM

149. I'm with you, nolabear.

Some of the sentiments being expressed in these posts are sad and disappointing. They really are. I am very thankful to read comments like yours, because they remind me that I can choose to NOT feel that way. That's something I have tended to forget lately, and I really appreciate being reminded.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:55 AM

64. We're supposed to feel sorry

for selfish idiots who won’t protect themselves and others? I don’t think so.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #64)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:04 AM

69. I'd feel sympathy if it was just themselves they put at risk.

But their choices put other, innocent people at risk. People who did not choose to take risks with their health.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 01:16 PM

119. This is a

Self inflicted tragedy. Being stupid has consequences

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:22 AM

35. I find it hard to generate sympathy for those who choose to go unvaccinated...

I reserve my sympathy for the millions of families who suffered before vaccines were available.

Sid

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:25 AM

37. In the words of Lt. Worf:

Then die in ignorance. I can waste no more time on you.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:29 AM

40. Darwin strikes again.

Bye, Felicia.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:40 AM

51. Reminds me of people who won't evacuate under a hurricane or flood or wildfire threat.

There reaches a point for some people when there is nothing you can do for them.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #51)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:42 AM

56. +1000

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #51)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:18 AM

77. Remember that couple at the Surfside Condo

that refused to evacuate the standing tower because it was their home? The media seemed to run that interview a lot. How’d that work out? People are dumb. I have learned a lot about people during the pandemic and they are really dumb.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #77)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:21 AM

78. The bit of it is that when shit goes South, they expect folks to risk themselves to rescue them.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #78)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:28 PM

108. Yup. And that is where we are in healthcare

Literally wasting lives, livelihoods, and resources on something that was almost completely preventable.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:49 AM

60. 🦠🦠🦠🦠

Thought this battle with me would be easy? I just keep coming, and coming, and coming. I don’t stop.

This is a life and death battle, for both of us...

That’s how nature works. That’s how I work.


-Delta

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:05 AM

70. Cry me a river I have no compassion for those intentionally ignorant assholes.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:07 AM

71. The Last Word

Doctors should have Bang Bang Barbie’s “Stay the hell away with your Fauchi Ouchi” words of wisdom to play for these losers before they go nighty night. Womp, fucking womp. And billing address for burial and medical costs go to next of kin, not tax payers. My “F’s” are all gone. I like the post that said give em a BuyBull. Got one better, free up our hospitals and non vaxers are sent to church. GQP has been PREYING “ON” them for decades.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #71)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:09 PM

105. Yes and they are still preying

This is a self-perpetuating tactic by the pukes and the Qs to force the federal government to mandate vaccinations for all those who are physically able so that they (the pukes and the Qs) can say, "see, we told you so. they want to take away our rights. they have taken away our right to decide about our own bodies. Time to get out the guns and bombs to protect our freedoms." And then confrontations and injuries and probably deaths will ensue, more chaos, just what the Ps and Qs want.

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Response to dianaredwing (Reply #105)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:29 PM

109. You are absolutely spot on

Pootie’s master plan, aided by China, UAE and Saudi. No need to bring down towers and kill themselves, our idiots are strapping on suicide vests, (guns) and ready to charge the military and die for their cause. And not even a promise of virgins. Have ya seen the MAGA women? Not a Virgin over 9 years old. Unless they have been with a GQP rich politician, that numbers drops to 5 years old. Maybe! Our cities will look like Syria, in ruins except with Ford, Chevy, and big ass Dodge trucks filled with bubba’s Guns, and Trump flags roaming and raping. With their BuyBulls.
All MurKKKan made gas guzzling trucks. Not that Asian shit ISUS cruises in. USA….USA…..USA!!!
Zombies can’t even spell USA.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:10 AM

72. Dr. Cobia is putting herself in the way of harm unnecessarily.

I hope she and others like her make a change in work location.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:26 AM

81. Kicked and recommended.



Thanks for the thread brooklynite.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:28 AM

82. Trump again

During the beginning they put out that healthy young people would not get it and if they did they wouldn't notice it. That is now engrained.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:30 AM

83. Covid doesn't give a shit about their God or their politics saving them

No tears wasted here

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:30 AM

84. Going to share this link

Not that it will do any good for the cult45 members, but it will make me feel better.
related:
Why hasn't some enterprising attorney started a class action suit versus faux noise?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:37 AM

87. One could infer that carried to its logical conclusion, 99% of the state will be vaccinated

in due course without another shot being administered.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:39 AM

89. It's a death cult

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:45 AM

92. This story sounds strange and does not add up to me....

An average of 10 people a day in all of Alabama are dying of Covid. Young and healthy people rarely ended up dying even during the peak of the pandemic.

How are so many young and healthy patients begging her for the vaccine before dying? Certainly out of the 10 in the entire state most are elderly or already unhealthy.

Something does not add up here. How can one doctor be holding hands with so many dying young people?

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Response to Jon King (Reply #92)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:09 PM

104. am I imisinformed?

I thought it was because the disease pretty much killed the older people it was going to kill. Out of the meager 30 per cent or so that are vaccinated, maybe most of them are older people.

It's been my impression that most of the people dying now are younger people.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:51 AM

94. In the words of TFG: Sad!

Truly. Sad.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:53 AM

96. The doctor should add something

If I were the doctor I would say one more thing:

I am so sorry for your loss and am glad you will now get the vaccine, but please consider the source where you read or watch your news. These are the people who lied to you and convinced you in the belief that the virus was a hoax, political or just the flu. They did it for their own selfish interests.

They didn’t care about you. The people who cared about you were the ones who begged you and your family to get the vaccine.

Why would you continue watching the news outlets who convinced you of something that resulted in the death of your loved one. They are the ones being political and raking in a lot of money in doing so.

They will not attend the funeral.
They will not cry for you at night.
They will not learn from this mistake.

They will not change. You must.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:01 PM

101. Dr says: you can't fix stupid

It's too late for that.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:13 PM

106. These stories are increasing as the delta-variant surges

I recall reading a few pieces about patients denying they had Covid-19 in the 2nd & 3rd surges but they weren't as frequent as is the case now--the denial, the shock, the regret. It may be because the patients are younger, healthier who are being brought down. It sounds terrible but I've always thought that if the virus started attacking the young, perspectives about vaccination would change.

In fact, I read an article recently about a mother who had refused vaccination and also failed to have her 13-year old daughter vaccinated. The child contracted Covid and was in the hospital struggling to breathe. The mother's reaction was panic and regret.

It's one thing to be contrary or downright stupid about vaccinations for yourself as a adult. But watching a perfectly healthy child take seriously ill, gasping for breath, is a whole different ballgame.

And now we have the right-wing and their mouthpieces doing a sharp U-turn on the vaccination question. Why? Well, because it's their supporters, Trump's supporters being infected and ending up in the hospital. All to own the Libs.

That's a pretty hefty cost. In life and votes.

Maybe the reality of situation, the deadly consequences of vaccine defiance will turn sentiment around. Of course, it's tragic that a deadlier, more contagious version of Covid-19 becomes the clarion call. Equally tragic is the surge's effect on the medically compromised, those who could not be vaccinated through no fault of their own.

This is no longer a problem for seniors, those who were expected to sacrifice their lives on the altar of capitalism. The current round is attacking the strong, the healthy, the young.

The Republican Party and their Orange King own this!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:32 PM

111. Could be the saddest and sometimes scariest three

word combination of the English language...It's Too Late.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:32 PM

112. They're part of ...

ANTIVA

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:43 PM

114. FYI there is a Lambda variant now too

It showed up in Houston. It can from South America.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 01:35 PM

120. I have nothing for the people who refuse the shots.


Then it is to late.

Now school is starting up.

Kids at risk because of
these fools.

How did America get so stupid.



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Response to Texaswitchy (Reply #120)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 07:10 PM

143. How did America get so stupid? ...

Simple, the RW echo chamber which includes AM Radio and their hosts plus FOX Nuz, Newsmax, Breitbart & OAN.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 02:58 PM

124. Well...I guess a lot of people

Will die.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 02:58 PM

125. Well...I guess a lot of people

Will die.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 03:46 PM

128. I know I've seen TFG and his boy Eric talk about the vaccine as if it's a treatment. I thought

it was amazing anyone in this country wouldn't understand that a vaccine is to prevent serious illness, not a cure after you're sick. Most little kids have that explained to them when they get vaccinated. Anyone that's not an idiot should have picked up on that somewhere along the way. But there we have people asking for the vaccine to save them. Unreal.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 06:20 PM

138. Is that doctor unaware of monoclonal antibody treatment,

i.e., the Regeneron drug?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 06:44 PM

140. That's actually sad that the people asked for the vaccine before being intubated.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 06:52 PM

142. Where is the medical use of monoclonal antibodies? I've read that hospitals have it stockpiled

and it's a successful treatment of Covid once you get it, but I'm not hearing that it's being used during this latest upswing. Rachel said it's free, and even if it isn't, people should ask for it when they're hospitalized.

https://www.cms.gov/medicare/covid-19/monoclonal-antibody-covid-19-infusion



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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jul 22, 2021, 12:58 AM

147. I heard this today on CNN or MSNBC

and right away I shouted at the TV, "Too late you moron, tough shit!!!". I am angry at these maskjoles and anti-vaxxers. They don't give a shit about who they infect and I don't give a shit about them now that they have Covid. You reap what you sow, karma. Etc.

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