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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 09:27 AM Jul 2021

TRUMP: "It sounds like you're ashamed of your president" MILLEY: "I don't expect you to understand."

The Inside Story of How Trump Lost" — pinpoints the moment that the relationship between former President Trump and Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley began to disintegrate.

It came last year during a fiery Oval Office confrontation over Milley's public apology for appearing in a photo op with Trump at St. John's Church:

TRUMP: Why did you apologize? That’s weak.

MILLEY: Not where I come from. It had nothing to do with you. It had to do with me and the uniform and the apolitical tradition of the United States military.

TRUMP: I don’t understand that. It sounds like you’re ashamed of your president.

MILLEY: I don’t expect you to understand.


https://www.axios.com/milley-trump-lafayette-square-protesters-0baee50b-961f-43f4-bb58-b0d909c7073c.html
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TRUMP: "It sounds like you're ashamed of your president" MILLEY: "I don't expect you to understand." (Original Post) kpete Jul 2021 OP
It's a human thing, you wouldn't understand underpants Jul 2021 #1
Even more, it's an honor thing Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2021 #46
The ONLY thing Donny understands is loyalty and fealty to HIM. tanyev Jul 2021 #2
fealty. yeah. that's it. the perfect term Roland99 Jul 2021 #7
And Moolah peppertree Jul 2021 #35
Of course he wouldn't understand MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2021 #3
We were all ashamed of you. LiberatedUSA Jul 2021 #4
well put gopiscrap Jul 2021 #14
You just channeled General Milley sarge43 Jul 2021 #22
And he wasn't a nice person too. Dan Jul 2021 #32
And those are his more positive traits..... jaxexpat Jul 2021 #39
Youi forgot to mention "incompetent". n/t Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2021 #47
"I don't expect you to understand." Wow. That's a keeper. lindysalsagal Jul 2021 #5
My first thought too when reading this. Native Jul 2021 #8
A very "I've got your number" moment for Milley ms liberty Jul 2021 #43
Good on Gen. Milley for speaking truth. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens think NoMoreRepugs Jul 2021 #6
Trump does not want to lead or govern. He wants to rule. keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #10
He thinks being president means you own the country. Pepsidog Jul 2021 #13
...which in turn means you can do what you want with/to it. Grokenstein Jul 2021 #33
He wants to issue orders that others follow. Grammy23 Jul 2021 #30
You are not alone in your fear. Boomerproud Jul 2021 #20
Milley Apologized Very Publicly Tbear Jul 2021 #9
No respect for leaders who don't own up. Tons of respect for Gen Milley. He got euchered ... marble falls Jul 2021 #18
Same here. That public apology left me feeling more secure in his leadership Tom Rinaldo Jul 2021 #49
Now I hate Trump even more, if that is possible. He's a flagitious misanthrope. Bo Zarts Jul 2021 #11
Milley knows TFG is a dumb ass punk. Pepsidog Jul 2021 #12
Just musclecar6 Jul 2021 #16
Your headline, with Trump quote will be forever Trump's calling card.. Stuart G Jul 2021 #15
The Former Guy doesn't believe in the country's traditions Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2021 #17
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2021 #19
In my opinion, Milley knew exactly what he was doing when Mr.Bill Jul 2021 #21
Yeah, wasn't he wearing camo that day? For the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs that is "purposeful RockRaven Jul 2021 #31
Thank the Gods we had Gen Milley there. flying_wahini Jul 2021 #23
Anyone with half a brain Larissa Jul 2021 #24
the only thing donnie understands is $$$$$$$$ and to get more $$$$$$ . that is all. AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #25
The only other thing is to sexually assault 'biyouteeful women' without their consent... (n/t) Justice matters. Jul 2021 #44
Of course he wouldn't understand, and the first thing that he considers is how liberalla Jul 2021 #26
Trump can't comprehend dedication to something larger than one's self NullTuples Jul 2021 #27
"I don't expect you to understand" was an implied amendment to everything any professional RockRaven Jul 2021 #28
THAT, would be high expectations. czarjak Jul 2021 #29
Milley is right up there with Smedley Butler in the "Military Heroes of Democracy" pantheon. n/t TygrBright Jul 2021 #34
I disagree with that. malthaussen Jul 2021 #38
Donald Trump has been watching too much NCIS. malthaussen Jul 2021 #36
Oh to be a fly on the wall Lord Ludd Jul 2021 #37
K&r Demovictory9 Jul 2021 #40
Nobody would expect the narcissist in chief to understand any fucking thing spanone Jul 2021 #41
the difference between someone working for America and someone working for himself Skittles Jul 2021 #42
MILLEY: I don't expect you to understand. turbinetree Jul 2021 #45
I had no idea what Milley's character was ecstatic Jul 2021 #48

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,360 posts)
3. Of course he wouldn't understand
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:13 AM
Jul 2021

the Mango Menace has no shame, he doesn't even know what the meaning of shame is.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
4. We were all ashamed of you.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:22 AM
Jul 2021

We were ashamed because you were and are a racist, sexist, transphobic, illiterate, uneducated, Adderall-addicted, sociopathic, genocidal, revenge-seeking, me centered maniac who gets off on pain, suffering and piss and openly embarrasses the entire country every time you open your orange dyed mouth and breathe out your ketchup breath all over the rest of the world with your verbal diarrhea.

Fuck you

NoMoreRepugs

(9,405 posts)
6. Good on Gen. Milley for speaking truth. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens think
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:32 AM
Jul 2021

the Orange Douche should be leading the country - if that does not terrify you about the country we live in I must have a flaw in my reasoning mechanism.

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
33. ...which in turn means you can do what you want with/to it.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jul 2021

But do something for it?
Nah, "that's weak."

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
30. He wants to issue orders that others follow.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jul 2021

Dictate.

I hope I’m still alive when that hell beast dies. He has no idea how many people will celebrate. Oh, and they’d better bury him in an undisclosed location (or cremate him) or his burial site will be over run with people lining up to take a whiz or a poop on his grave. Instead of an eternal flame, he’ll have an eternal stench of piss and poop.

Tbear

(486 posts)
9. Milley Apologized Very Publicly
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 10:45 AM
Jul 2021

Where he and I come from, it is a real man who admits it when he is wrong and apologizes if appropriate.
I will illustrate by showing the opposite:
thedonald never admits he’s wrong and never apologizes.
I became an appreciator of General Milley the moment he said he erred.

marble falls

(57,067 posts)
18. No respect for leaders who don't own up. Tons of respect for Gen Milley. He got euchered ...
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:30 AM
Jul 2021

... by someone else and took the heat for it like a real American.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
49. Same here. That public apology left me feeling more secure in his leadership
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 09:19 AM
Jul 2021

than I was before he made that mistake in the first place. It told me what I needed to know about the man. And my already high respect for him has kept growing since that day the more I learn about him and the role he has played in defending or democracy.

Bo Zarts

(25,392 posts)
11. Now I hate Trump even more, if that is possible. He's a flagitious misanthrope.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:16 AM
Jul 2021
flagitious ... adj. 1. Characterized by extremely brutal or cruel crimes; vicious. 2. Infamous; scandalous.

misanthrope ... noun 1. a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society.




Trump: the face of pure evil.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
15. Your headline, with Trump quote will be forever Trump's calling card..
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:25 AM
Jul 2021

Also, a bit of the explanation needs to be make..(small bit)

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
17. The Former Guy doesn't believe in the country's traditions
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:27 AM
Jul 2021

Unless it serves him and inflates his own ego.

Milley's right. Tangeranus wouldn't understand.

Mr.Bill

(24,274 posts)
21. In my opinion, Milley knew exactly what he was doing when
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:33 AM
Jul 2021

he walked out there with Trump. Hell, I knew it. We all did. If he didn't he's an idiot. All he's sorry about is the public reaction to what he did.

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
31. Yeah, wasn't he wearing camo that day? For the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs that is "purposeful
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:28 PM
Jul 2021

tough guy posturing" clothes, not "I happen to be here because I had a meeting at the White House today anyway" clothes.

I google-imaged "General Miley White House" and out of all of the pics of him in the first five pages of results -- many of which are definitely at the WH and/or have him seated or standing next to Trump -- and that day's pics are the only ones in which he's wearing camo.

He didn't make a mistake in the moment and immediately regret it. He made a bad, premeditated decision, and regretted it after experiencing the reaction.

flying_wahini

(6,588 posts)
23. Thank the Gods we had Gen Milley there.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jul 2021

I don’t think for a minute that we would be here today without people like him.

Larissa

(790 posts)
24. Anyone with half a brain
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:42 AM
Jul 2021

. . . could look at Joint Chief Chair General Milley's uniform and know that he's anything but "weak."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley#cite_note-saved-81

Last fall, Mrs. Hollyanne Milley, the wife of the Join Chiefs Chairman, saved the life of a veteran who collapsed at Arlington National Park. Mrs. Milley is a working cardiac nurse.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hollyanne-milley-wife-of-joint-chiefs-chairman-saved-mans-life-on-veterans-day-11605285598

liberalla

(9,234 posts)
26. Of course he wouldn't understand, and the first thing that he considers is how
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:01 PM
Jul 2021

It relates to him. The only way anything matters is in how it relates to H.I.M. !

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
27. Trump can't comprehend dedication to something larger than one's self
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:05 PM
Jul 2021

To him, there is nothing larger, nothing more important than Donald Trump.

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
28. "I don't expect you to understand" was an implied amendment to everything any professional
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 12:15 PM
Jul 2021

ever said to the former guy...

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
38. I disagree with that.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 02:15 PM
Jul 2021

What can be said of General Milley, IMO, is that he ends up on the good side of the line, but there are not many public examples of him showing particular intestinal fortitude towards Mr Trump.

-- Mal

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
36. Donald Trump has been watching too much NCIS.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 02:10 PM
Jul 2021

Of all of Gibbs's maxims, "Never apologize, it's a sign of weakness" has got to be the... weakest.

-- Mal

Lord Ludd

(585 posts)
37. Oh to be a fly on the wall
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 02:14 PM
Jul 2021

(one who understands English, of course) & hear Milley's private assessment of Trump.

I'll bet he's coined some colorful hyphenated nouns & adjectives, military-style.

spanone

(135,816 posts)
41. Nobody would expect the narcissist in chief to understand any fucking thing
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 04:45 PM
Jul 2021

ESPECIALLY when it comes to things like honor

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
42. the difference between someone working for America and someone working for himself
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 05:05 PM
Jul 2021

it's quite glaring

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
45. MILLEY: I don't expect you to understand.
Wed Jul 21, 2021, 11:02 PM
Jul 2021

It went right over his self centered head....what a malignant narcissist's...

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