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Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:01 AM Jul 2021

A Baltimore County widow put her mansion on the market. Then sovereign citizens moved in.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-county/bs-prem-md-co-sovereign-citizens-falls-road-20210722-voivdsl2yfexbea2lep3bcuuk4-story.html

Valued at $1.5 million, the Falls Road home has it all.

Hidden among trees on 2 acres with an elegant outdoor terrace overlooking lush green forest, the 2 1/2-story mansion boasts a stone fireplace and vaulted wood-beam ceilings, six bedrooms and five bathrooms, a deluxe butler’s pantry and indoor pizza oven and large windows across the walls of the 10,000-square-foot space. There’s even a treehouse with a wraparound porch.

It was the dream house designed and built by a prominent commercial real estate broker and his wife in 2005, two years after the pair married. When he died early last year, his widow hired a real estate agent, put her abode on the market and moved.

The phone calls from worried neighbors began in June: There was a chain locked across her driveway entrance. Warnings against trespassers appeared along the property perimeter. A group was spotted unloading furniture and other items from a moving truck.

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A Baltimore County widow put her mansion on the market. Then sovereign citizens moved in. (Original Post) Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 OP
Paywall. 2naSalit Jul 2021 #1
I didn't see the paywall, but I have an adblocker and use a VPN. Perhaps that's why. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #4
I have ad blocker but... 2naSalit Jul 2021 #5
Oh my! North Shore Chicago Jul 2021 #2
How can the police arrest them? Chainfire Jul 2021 #6
I once went down the YouTube rabbit hole and watched SC's being arrested (mostly at border Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #11
Invade and conquer them then... Moostache Jul 2021 #13
No, they are fruitloop conspiracy theorists Thtwudbeme Jul 2021 #14
I am going to write a declaration of independence, declare myself a sovereign nation, appoint Chainfire Jul 2021 #15
They may think that, but the police sure as hell do have jurisdiction over them. Treefrog Jul 2021 #16
Baltimore Sun not available in the EU - GoneOffShore Jul 2021 #3
non paywall here CurtEastPoint Jul 2021 #7
Thanks for posting that! Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #8
I always do a search on a unique phrase or headline and often find other resources. CurtEastPoint Jul 2021 #9
got nailed by paywall and anti adblocker message . AllaN01Bear Jul 2021 #20
Another link at insider.com nuxvomica Jul 2021 #10
I keep saying, "sovereign" citizens and "constitutional" sheriffs should be deported nuxvomica Jul 2021 #12
Now my two worlds have come together . . . Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #17
Deported to where? Amishman Jul 2021 #22
Antarctica nuxvomica Jul 2021 #23
Simple solution brooklynite Jul 2021 #18
this is so weird and freaks me out msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #19
Agreed. One would think that if squatters invaded someone's house that law enforcement would simply Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #21
except there exist Squatters protections laws in some municipalities msfiddlestix Jul 2021 #24
The article says they were arrested. Treefrog Jul 2021 #25
They will completely destroy that house because they leftyladyfrommo Jul 2021 #26

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
5. I have ad blocker but...
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:14 AM
Jul 2021

The paywall subscipt demands won't let you have a once in a lifetime pass to see the article. Oh well, maybe it will gain more attention soon, this sounds scary.

Chainfire

(17,467 posts)
6. How can the police arrest them?
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:27 AM
Jul 2021

They are not subject to the laws of the land. Where ever they go they take their little nation, wrapped around their shoulders, like a cheap raincoat. The police have no authority over them. They are Sovereign.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
11. I once went down the YouTube rabbit hole and watched SC's being arrested (mostly at border
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:40 AM
Jul 2021

checkpoints).. Such encounters typically end with the officer smashing the driver's window, after spending half an hour (or more) arguing with SC who's been spouting endless lines obviously memorized for such a situation ("I'm not driving, I'm traveling. If you arrest me I will sue you and you will lose your job. I do not recognize your laws. Etc.).

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
13. Invade and conquer them then...
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:42 AM
Jul 2021

I hereby claim ALL sovereign citizens as colonial possessions of the United States of America, subject to the duties, laws and privileges that entails.

Now, go in and physically remove them with all necessary force.

Chainfire

(17,467 posts)
15. I am going to write a declaration of independence, declare myself a sovereign nation, appoint
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jul 2021

myself and ambassador and claim diplomatic immunity.

In fact, I will do it here and now! I am an independent nation! See how easy that is? Welcome to Steveistan!

nuxvomica

(12,409 posts)
12. I keep saying, "sovereign" citizens and "constitutional" sheriffs should be deported
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 10:40 AM
Jul 2021

If they make the assertion in court that they are not subject to our laws, declare their citizenship renounced and deport them. The citizenship rights protected by 14th Amendment do not apply.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


This was originally meant to exclude those with diplomatic status but it may have been prescient.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
17. Now my two worlds have come together . . .
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:08 AM
Jul 2021

The judge for whom i drafted several sovereign citizen decisions raised alpacas, one of which was named nux vomica.

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
18. Simple solution
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:09 AM
Jul 2021

Hire armed repossessors to walk in and take all their furniture and property. Since they don't recognize property rights, they won't complain.

msfiddlestix

(7,271 posts)
19. this is so weird and freaks me out
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:26 AM
Jul 2021

according to the SPLC, there are no laws to adequately deal with this, and apparently squatters legally have rights over ownership under certain conditions and situations.

I just don't subscribe to that idea, as a low income person frequently dealing with housing issues in my life, this is just complete bs.

Most especially really weird our capitalists over lords haven't managed to lobby lawmakers to enact protection for owners rights in these circumstances. just mind boggling.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
21. Agreed. One would think that if squatters invaded someone's house that law enforcement would simply
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 11:44 AM
Jul 2021

go in and arrest them.

msfiddlestix

(7,271 posts)
24. except there exist Squatters protections laws in some municipalities
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:09 PM
Jul 2021

i can't speak to the location in the article, but in Oakland California I learned that squatters occupying a "vacant" home can not be arrested by law enforcers.

Shocking but true. found this out when the house next door to my daughters was vacant due to the owner passing away.

It was listed for sale, but it wasn't ready to be sold until repairs and basic improvements were made, due to the neglect from the deceased owner who occupied his home for over a half century.

So, this one homeless guy, sort of with mental disabilities, squatted there regularly. he came and went due to the deceased owners son doing the home repairs. But the owners son did not regularly work on the house. he'd go for weeks and months without attending to a damn thing, while the house just sat there, abandoned.

So it sort of fell under some kind of "abandoned home" classification, although it really wasn't literally abandoned. The son just took his sweet ass time getting the house ready to sell.

Some drama associated with this situation went on for a couple of years. Anyhow, that's when I learned about squatters rights, and protections from law enforcement wrt "abandoned" property.


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