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Botany

(70,489 posts)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:42 AM Jul 2021

2 questions that just kind of hit me as I was in the Blue Ridge/Shenandoah Valley area of VA*

1) Am I wrong to think that one of America's biggest threats are right wing Evangelical Christians.

South of Winchester, VA off of I-81 there are three huge crosses that are just plain creepy and on the side
a barn in the country somebody has a painting of Trump and Jesus with their arms around each other
along with a bunch of American, confederate, and Trump flags. Another "Trump Country" place had all the
Christian shit, rebel flags, American flags, Trump and anti-Biden stuff but he also had something about the
problems in Cuba are Joe Biden's fault.

2) And this got me thinking is Trump still working for Putin? Because by Trump's continuation of stirring
up shit weakens America by dividing us and that is what Putin wanted. I wonder if Trump is still in contact
with Russia/Putin and is getting his marching orders from them. (Trump does owe them tons of money.)

Or did the heat just get to me?


* Mt. Jackson/Woodstock area

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2 questions that just kind of hit me as I was in the Blue Ridge/Shenandoah Valley area of VA* (Original Post) Botany Jul 2021 OP
Those crosses have been there for decades. yardwork Jul 2021 #1
I had just driven 8 hours straight from Ohio and those 3 big crosses all lite up against the dark .. Botany Jul 2021 #3
I understand! yardwork Jul 2021 #4
My late uncle was an episcopalian rector .... as is his daughter ... and he and his wife started ... Botany Jul 2021 #7
You are not wrong. Boomerproud Jul 2021 #12
I am not familiar with that site, but if I'm not mistaken, the three huge crosses are part of a mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2021 #2
Those crosses are all around. But you are correct that evangelicals are the largest threat GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #5
A neighbor about a mile away has the same cross setup. (N. Florida) Chainfire Jul 2021 #15
first question: you are not wrong barbtries Jul 2021 #6
Beautiful Country .... and some really nice people too Botany Jul 2021 #9
it is beautiful. barbtries Jul 2021 #10
We have had 2.5 generations of Americans bathed in misinformation and ignorance since Reagan ... Botany Jul 2021 #20
yeah. I agree this insistent, insidious barbtries Jul 2021 #21
In 2015, we made the mistake of thinking that a drive down the scenic Blue Ridge Parkway Atticus Jul 2021 #23
10 years ago the big Jesus statue on I75 burn down after multigraincracker Jul 2021 #8
did anyone at all barbtries Jul 2021 #11
It was the Devil. multigraincracker Jul 2021 #14
well done. barbtries Jul 2021 #22
I haven't seen those crosses in over 30 years Thtwudbeme Jul 2021 #13
WHat about the Qunoset hut of jesus and guns? Claire Oh Nette Jul 2021 #16
Three wooden crosses Tanuki Jul 2021 #17
Haha ... FWIW ancianita Jul 2021 #18
We need to look first to human nature and to specific patterns of traits that, Hortensis Jul 2021 #19

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
1. Those crosses have been there for decades.
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:46 AM
Jul 2021

Apparently they were put up by an itinerant "Johnny Appleseed" of cross installers back in the 1960s. People repaint them. I've always thought they were kind of neat in a folk art sort of way.

The barns with Trump and Jesus are a whole different thing.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
3. I had just driven 8 hours straight from Ohio and those 3 big crosses all lite up against the dark ..
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:50 AM
Jul 2021

... just hit me as creepy. Maybe it is just me.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
4. I understand!
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:59 AM
Jul 2021

I've driven that route many times over the years and got used to the crosses. I thought it was cool to hear about them on DU!

I agree with your overall point, though. We have a serious problem.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
7. My late uncle was an episcopalian rector .... as is his daughter ... and he and his wife started ...
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:33 AM
Jul 2021

... and left a food pantry to feed the needy in S.W. OH. OTOH these creeps seem to have
made the least Christian man I can think into some kind of God. I might be wrong but
even if they were shown 100% proof that Trump was an active Russian asset, Putin installed
him in order to weaken America from with in, and that Melania was his handler they would
still be good w/"the Donald."

BTW how many Bible Camps have had to be shut down this summer because of C-19?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
2. I am not familiar with that site, but if I'm not mistaken, the three huge crosses are part of a
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:49 AM
Jul 2021

nationwide effort. Or at near West Virginia.

Home > Attractions in West Virginia > Other Attractions > Coffindaffer's Crosses

Coffindaffer's Crosses



Coffindaffer's Crosses in a pasture near Pluto, West Virginia in Raleigh County.

Crosses, crosses everywhere! Or so it would seem traveling through West Virginia.

Every few miles, groups of three crosses stand like sentinels along its roadways — a high gold cross flanked by two smaller light blue crosses. Most travelers recognize them as monuments to the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth, a central event in Christianity. But have you ever wondered where these crosses come from? Why they were raised? And who is responsible?

Bernard Coffindaffer, a Marine veteran and a native of Craigsville, West Virginia, was the man behind the crosses. It was his desire to remind people that Jesus had been crucified at Calvary to forgive their sins and that he’d be coming back again.

After leaving the military and earning a business degree from the University of Charleston, Coffindaffer worked in the oil industry. though he made his fortune founding a coal-washing business. After undergoing two heart by-pass operations, he liquidated his business.

Two years later he had a vision that sparked the building of the groups of crosses and spent the remainder of his life and money erecting 1,864 sets in 29 states, in the District of Columbia, and in Zambia and the Philippines. Land owners donated the sites, and Coffindaffer funded the construction. West Virginia was home to 352 sets of crosses — more than any other state. Most are visible from major highways, though some are tucked away in remote locations. He established the first set outside his hometown in Nicholas County.

All the crosses are made of Douglas Fir and weigh 400 pounds. At the height of his ministry, nine full-time employees were helping erect the crosses. His non-profit organization, "Crosses of Mercy – Cast Thy Bread Inc.," was run from the basement of his home.

{snip}

Author Jackie Carman Blankenship, a West Virginia native, presently resides in Colorado Springs, Colorado, with her two daughters and several furbabies.

As for the rest, it's the First Amendment at work. There's a famous barn next to I-5 near Centralia, Washington.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
5. Those crosses are all around. But you are correct that evangelicals are the largest threat
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:05 AM
Jul 2021

At least to democracy.

They now realize they have lost the battle for hegemony. So they are fine with changing the playing field to insure only people who agree with them can vote.

They may value democracy, but they value religious supremacy more. And racial supremacy is often in the mix since they see Christianity as a white religion despite the fact the one they hold up as god was not really their idea of white.

Chainfire

(17,528 posts)
15. A neighbor about a mile away has the same cross setup. (N. Florida)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jul 2021

Merging religion and politics is and has always been a great danger to the people. It doesn't matter what religion, because if whatever "God" is on "our" side, then there is no action action we can take against the sinners, including murder, rape and torture, that is unholy.

The Right believes that Trump has been sent by God to save our nation, therefore anyone who resists him is a heretic. (and you know what happens to heretics) All I can say is that which ever god sent Trump exercised very poor judgement and should be stripped of his/her title. No more offerings, no more praise for you!

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
6. first question: you are not wrong
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:17 AM
Jul 2021

second question, I don't know but would not doubt it. though i think at this point putin may have cut him loose and trump is just kind of talking to the walls now.

I would also mention that I believe that rural VA is a hotbed of meth and painkiller abuse and addiction. but i actually don't know the geography there so no real clue about where you were.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
9. Beautiful Country .... and some really nice people too
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:38 AM
Jul 2021


Rt. 42 south from Woodstock, VA close to the W.V.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
20. We have had 2.5 generations of Americans bathed in misinformation and ignorance since Reagan ...
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:28 PM
Jul 2021

... killed the fairness doctrine. Radio both FM and AM have become sewers of right wing
hate talk, fundy Christian crap, and bad country music* flood the airwaves. The term liberal
is a pejorative.



* Sanng, dang, thang, and all with a twang.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
21. yeah. I agree this insistent, insidious
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 02:07 PM
Jul 2021

clusterfuck started with Reagan. the dumbing down of America, the elimination of mental health services. we must be near the tipping point. we are so close to being a failed nation.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
23. In 2015, we made the mistake of thinking that a drive down the scenic Blue Ridge Parkway
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 08:11 AM
Jul 2021

would be a nice vacation. I can't recall a more disgusting or miserable trip.

Yes, it is a very beautiful area. Some of the views were breathtaking. But, it seemed that something like four out of five houses had their road-facing yards cluttered with multiple large TRUMP campaign signs and our Prius with Clinton and other Democratic stickers drew hostile glares each time we stopped for gas or a burger. Clerks were silently hostile and took our money without a smile or a "Thank you! Come again!"

We passed an ILLUMINATED 12 foot cross flanked with TRUMP signs in the yard of a small house one evening and then encountered three never-heard-of-this-denomination churches within the next half mile. We stopped at a local barbecue joint for dinner and were almost afraid to eat our food by the time it arrived as the other customers made it clear we were not welcome.

In one motel, we shared an elevator with a woman who began loudly "speaking in tongues" while another couple raised their arms and nodded while repeating "Praise Jesus!".
Who needs that crap?

Sorry to say it, but we will never return.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
13. I haven't seen those crosses in over 30 years
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:02 AM
Jul 2021

Like someone else wrote- they have been up for decades.

There used to be a good Cracker Barrel right near there also- I still have a blanket I bought in the "Country Store" part.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
16. WHat about the Qunoset hut of jesus and guns?
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:46 AM
Jul 2021

Not far from there, also on 81, is a large metal building, old corrugated metal hut, great big letters facing the highway,"Jesus Saves! We Buy Guns"

Not sure if some man of Latino heritage named Jesus is saving them money on guns, or what....

We told my niece when she was about 5 that people put giant T's in their yards. She saw those three, and asked if they stuttered.

Yes, it's creepy. I lived in California for ~45 years. NEVER saw that shit. It's all over Appalachia, from WNC where I am now, to Charleston SC and WV. Smacks of desperation and showiness--my cross is bigger than yours.

But, Jesus will buy your guns....

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
18. Haha ... FWIW
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:59 AM
Jul 2021

Systems that have comforted Americans aren't necessarily threats unless those systems make it mandatory for you to join. (Their members think our side is manipulating them to join the smartypants sciency side). If they're live and let live systems, and don't get their members to see you as a threat, don't see them as a threat.

Re Putin, he's gonna do well in the money department with or without dirtydonnie. If you think you should give Putin/Trump another minute of your valuable life, dump some creek water on your head 'til no more questions hit you.

Enjoy the outdoors!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. We need to look first to human nature and to specific patterns of traits that,
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:24 PM
Jul 2021

when exacerbated, are causing some to become grave threats to civilization.

Religion can draw, organize and augment them, but it doesn't create. Our most pernicious influences are external, and those who gather influence and mold it. Plus, not all nazi types belong to a religion. And not all evangelicals are nazi types. And there aren't enough evangelicals to win national elections. They're a minority, even on the right. So, they've become awful, but they're not the explanation.

You can't get more basic than looking to geography, which strongly influences the forms societies and religions take. Just look at a political map of the world for confirmation that around the planet societies, and religions, in hot climates tend to develop and remain more conservative than ones in temperate climates. Then check that huge factor against a political map of the U.S.

Then maybe wonder about what global warming might have to do with the rise of RW extremism and nihilistic behaviors around the planet.

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