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(115,280 posts)Please proceed...
YoshidaYui
(41,764 posts)We can say
Sayonara bakayaro
TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts)magicarpet
(13,941 posts)Trueblue1968
(17,138 posts)Ta ta dummies !!!
dalton99a
(81,073 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts)quakerboy
(13,901 posts)I dont particularly want to die or face a long term disability because of these questionable quivering Qristains.
And every one of them that refuses is another chance for delta to spread, and another chance for another mutation to happen.
If only we could set up doses of vaccine in those darts they use to shoot dangerous animal with tranquilizers, and set a bountys for those who can vaccinate the most unvaccinated folks.
KentuckyWoman
(6,666 posts)Yes, it is largely "you aren't the boss of me".
And Karen Landers deserves a medal ...
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)Lovie777
(11,992 posts)By all means go forth.
dhol82
(9,351 posts)But then, look at who were dealing with.
SergeStorms
(18,903 posts)the same level of stupidity exhibited by the people who believe that horse-hockey.
IronLionZion
(45,261 posts)Bristlecone
(10,084 posts)Someone to tell them what to do. They cant be trusted to do the right thing. ever. Self-regulated people shouldnt be.
YoshidaYui
(41,764 posts)Funeral homes are going to be very busy.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Please proceed to own us libs.
LW1977
(1,227 posts)Bye
sop
(9,946 posts)for well over a year the whole thing was a hoax, shutdowns and wearing masks were part of a liberal plot to take away their freedoms, the vaccines were unproven and would hurt them, and it would only affect other people. Blaming democrats because they want to vaccinate as many Americans as possible is just mindless.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(23,862 posts)Personal freedom also means taking personal responsibility for your decisions.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Im not sure if people here think thats a function of hating Dems too?
Mariana
(14,849 posts)What are the black churches doing to convince their members to get vaccinated, and to help them do so by providing rides and such?
Dreampuff
(778 posts)Did double as vaccination sites on Sunday morning when the vaccine was really hard to come by. Many of them were churches with majority black congregations. But you're right. I imagine some areas aren't doing that. My location is Southern, although we aren't actually like the Southerners in States north of us.
Some of the black people fear getting a vaccine because they had been used as guinea pigs in the past. White people don't have that excuse and I think it is just their stubborn and redneck attitude and their love for the orange one and they are endangering all of us.
salin
(48,954 posts)have heard a deep distrust based on the history of the Tuskegee Experiment.
As pointed out elsewhere it seems that many African American churches are involved in trying to reassure people to convince them to get vaccinated.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)People are ignoring one of the largest groups of non-vaxxers.
deurbano
(2,891 posts)They were just 49 and 53. Such a tragic waste. The husband had actually graduated from Tuskegee.
ornotna
(10,763 posts)But that's not what this story is about.
Skittles
(152,967 posts)some people care only about POC when they can use them to make a point? You know like....guns and Chicago
tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)eom
ornotna
(10,763 posts)They're very good at supporting each other and patting each other on the back too.
IronLionZion
(45,261 posts)Tuskegee is often mentioned but there are plenty of recent examples of discrimination in treatment. It's mostly about racist southern docs refusing to prescribe lifesaving treatments to "undeserving" people rather than maliciously injecting bad stuff into them.
paleotn
(17,781 posts)far more nefarious than white southerners and their faux outrage over damn near everyone and everything.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Blacks are at higher risk from this disease, both contracting it and becoming seriously ill from it.
Unfortunately, they are refusing the vaccine at a greater rate than white southerners. My neighbors are two such people, and the woman is a nurse.
Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)Volaris
(10,260 posts)Tuskegee Experiment...
Outreach IS important, even IF republicans wont liaten...
ecstatic
(32,567 posts)are concerned about the long-term side effects. It is impossible to reassure them because it's true that we don't yet know the long-term side effects.
Response to Treefrog (Reply #16)
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Elessar Zappa
(13,650 posts)is higher than white Republicans and lower than white Democrats.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)immature and irresponsible response from Republicans.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)This story is about the politics, but religion is a huge factor too. The churches should be leading the charge to convince people to get vaccinated, arrange and provide transportation for those who need it, and make their sites available as vaccination centers. But instead, so many of the churches in this part of the world are actively preaching against the vaccine. What's to be done about that? I don't know if anything can be done.
lamp_shade
(14,796 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)progressoid
(49,827 posts)You won't be missed by me.
Traildogbob
(8,584 posts)God sent Trump, god sent Covid. Maybe this is new flood where he selects the ones that die this time instead of destroying all, and allows his good creations to continue, and start saving the planet he wants taken care of. Just saying, he works in strange ways, some peepbull are saying.
ShazzieB
(15,958 posts)"Many people are turning down Covid vaccines because they are angry that President Donald Trump lost the election and sick of Democrats thinking they know whats best."
The expressing "cutting off your nose to spite your face" keeps coming to mind.
Grokenstein
(5,707 posts)"We've gone from 'cutting off one's nose to spite one's face' to 'lopping off one's head to spite one's nose.'"
enki23
(7,786 posts)I have no sympathy for this. Usually these nuts socialize their pain for whatever benefit their private insanity provides. For once, a greater share of their pain falls on the people who deserve it. And I'm grimly satisfied to watch them suffer their own fucking harm for once. The only reason I care *at all,* is that they are going to clog up the healthcare system once again. And because they will also take down a small but real number of people around them who don't fucking deserve it.
IronLionZion
(45,261 posts)paleotn
(17,781 posts)Carlitos Brigante
(26,483 posts)you are!
paleotn
(17,781 posts)how useful that little snippet of dialog would be? It perfectly fits so many situations.
Carlitos Brigante
(26,483 posts)wasn't before someone could show him being "immortalized".
Renew Deal
(81,802 posts)Ignored, dismissed, and mismanaged. That will learn them Democrats.
calimary
(80,700 posts)Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)community.
Pepsidog
(6,252 posts)ecstatic
(32,567 posts)I don't know anyone who attends church except for a few of my relatives who are Jehovah's witnesses.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,789 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)When I grew up in Fort Worth all I knew were Johnson Democrats. When I was moved to Arkansas in 1972 most everybody around were Democrats. Then came the Reagan Con and suddenly everybody liked Yankee Carpetbaggers and it all went to shit. BTW: My dad, being a racist, went big for George Wallace and, later, Reagan and TFG. But he missed the last election, he up and died.
Vinca
(50,170 posts)Leith
(7,802 posts)Since many of them think that the blood of Christ covers them and will protect them from harm.
The US should send their vaccinations to India and other countries where people don't have access to them.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,698 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,049 posts)Stupidity kills. Maybe that's as it should be.
COL Mustard
(5,783 posts)They will only improve society and the overall gene pool by leaving it.
Goodbye and good riddance. Sorry you died, but no sympathy for you.
Martin Eden
(12,803 posts)... why would you allow them to influence a critical decision concerning your own well being and that of your family?
Prichards115
(37 posts)screw the racist repuke south. if they are too stupid to save their own lives I hope they kill themselves by covid.
bringthePaine
(1,726 posts)BHDem53
(1,059 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Brother Mythos
(1,442 posts)And, I won't waste my time trying.
NQAS
(10,749 posts)Ok. Maybe they should be awarded a group Darwin Award.
Posthumously.
Trueblue Texan
(2,372 posts)...they always deflect the question and start talking about how it's all China's fault and the Wuhan lab. I should share with them...if China wanted to destroy the Republican party, all they'd have to do is spread disinformation about the dangers of the vaccines. It's Trump Republicans who are getting and spreading the illness like wildfire. Just something to think about.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)that would give anything to have an abundance of vaccine. A small but loud minority of Americans behave like tantrum throwing toddlers. It's not just southerners or trumpers either although they may make up the majority. If these people were only hurting themselves I wouldn't care as much. There are immune compromised people and kids under 12 that they're endangering with this dumbassery. Local health officials are misdirecting their anger at Biden and the Democrat's. They should be angry with trump, wrong-wing radio and tv personalities, and most of the republican party.
usaf-vet
(6,094 posts)..... he/she allow it to happen in the first place? Look at it this way vaccines and other medical miracles are sanctioned by GOD.
Step up to be a real believing Christian first and a political nut jobs last.
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)soldierant
(6,648 posts)sometimes that involves some personal sacrifice, and some personal stubbornness and self control Bt I cannot even imagine being that stubborn, and especially when it is an issue of life and death. I'd rather live to botcott another day.
Paladin
(28,204 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,828 posts)Southern States in particular were built on the conceit of the rich land owners that everyone else was beneath them. EVERYONE Else. This is an extension of the same mindset that made serfs the property of the lord of the manor.
Throughout their lives the people who now follow TLG and his mania and who resist against anyone he names as the enemy have been told that anyone who appears to be above them socially or economically has stolen something from them. The implicit lie is that there is a fixed social class structure and that they aren't high enough up that ladder as long as someone else isn't beneath them. It is a twisted view of society and it has been handed down to them from our English forebearers from a time when a person's value was measured by how close to the royal family you could claim to be or conversely how far from God's right hand you were.
I do not excuse them on this basis. However it is important to understand that they have no clue how much they are themselves enslaved by this myopic racist perspective.
They have been carefully taught...
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,281 posts)Not the least of which are:
- Spreading the virus to vulnerable people who may not happen to subscribe to their ideology; and
- Overwhelming the health-care system, which has a "cascade" effect on treatment of other patients who urgently need care.
Along that second point: two days ago, my next-door neighbor, who was jabbed months ago -- died because he suffered a pelvic fracture, but because a local hospital (in northeast Florida), was swamped with COVID patients -- most of whom are un-vaxed -- he passed. He was a Korean War veteran and deserved much better treatment than to be shuffled around and eventually sent to a "rehab" facility, which is where he died.
Who knows how many other non-COVID patients are being sidelined so that the current health-care system can respond to this heightened pandemic? What happened to the original concept of "triage" where those with the best likelihood of survival were given the highest priority?
While I'd very-much like to dismiss this instance as Karma kicking-in, I will continue to advocate for vaccinations, masking, social distancing, and other measures that would help us dig our way out of this nightmare. Rather than accelerating it. And yes, GOOBERnor DeathSentence, I mean you!
Personally, I don't want to lose any more family-members, friends, and neighbors to the Delta (Karma) Variant! I'd like for us to not only survive, but also use this chapter in our history to transform our political, health-care, and social systems to PREVENT further pandemic consequences.
Is that asking too much of the government that is supposed to provide for public safety, etc.?
kairos12
(12,817 posts)Blaukraut
(5,689 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)and The Wilderness, and Spotsylvania, and Petersburg.
Maybe you're dying on the wrong hills.
DFW
(54,057 posts)Republicans will refuse to eat salad because Democrats tell them it's healthy.
dsc
(52,130 posts)at this rate we will never have herd immunity here. I am beyond disgusted with these people.
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)Sane and intelligent Americans are getting tired of ignorant idiots who refuse to be vaccinated
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