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John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 06:47 AM Jul 2021

Repub. candidate drove several miles with accident victim's motorcycle stuck to front of car.

The tragic loss of life for a 30-year-old motorcyclist is at the heart of the following news story. A peculiar detail is that a car driven by a Republican candidate for Pennsylvania governor apparently traveled for several miles with the victim's motorcycle stuck to the front it. The fatality occurred Wednesday, July 21, just before 10:00 PM. The location was the westbound lane of the Pennsylvania Turnpike in Eastern Pennsylvania. The investigation kept traffic at a standstill for seven hours.

https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/candidate-governor-says-he-did-not-cause-fatal-accident/3WZOFFFVHFE5XHVYMMSSLLZUPY/

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Repub. candidate drove several miles with accident victim's motorcycle stuck to front of car. (Original Post) John1956PA Jul 2021 OP
I'm sure he didn't realize that he had hit the biker COL Mustard Jul 2021 #1
For Bicyclists Old Crank Jul 2021 #2
It's been tried even with safety yellow and blinking lights. plimsoll Jul 2021 #19
Well, this certainly couldn't have been caused by the Republican. The Libtard on the Vinca Jul 2021 #3
We know the political affiliation of the motorcyclist? Treefrog Jul 2021 #34
You know what a sense of humor is? My post is a potential excuse the Vinca Jul 2021 #35
Uh, ok. Treefrog Jul 2021 #36
Sarcasm often isn't funny. No requirement that it be so. nt Blue_true Jul 2021 #48
Is this unusual in Pennsylvania? twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #4
The motorcyclist was - obviously - suicidally depressed . . . hatrack Jul 2021 #5
I am sure that the republican lie machine is working up a story to make Blue_true Jul 2021 #47
I don't know. Blue_playwright Jul 2021 #6
"Let's see before we pile on." Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #29
People "react" like this when they're shitfaced drunk too. Texin Jul 2021 #31
That was my first thought. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2021 #44
That is unambiguously evil behavior, very typical of members of the Reptilian Party. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #32
I can't imagine the mororcycle inserted through his grill not being able to shake his reverie ... marble falls Jul 2021 #40
A person like you described SHOULD NOT be driving a motor vehicle. Blue_true Jul 2021 #46
How in the world could someone not grasp TNNurse Jul 2021 #7
Oh he knew obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #10
So he is counting on the stupidity of others??? TNNurse Jul 2021 #15
He's a Republican--what do YOU think? durablend Jul 2021 #16
It says car, maybe he was in a new model truck? plimsoll Jul 2021 #21
We don't have the toxicology report on the driver of the car as to presence Ford_Prefect Jul 2021 #24
7 hours of investigation... lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #33
WIthout reference to anything else I can accept that the driver was in shock Ford_Prefect Jul 2021 #39
Every criminal has motivations. Those are not adequate excuses. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #42
I doubt the judge will find them exculpatory either. Ford_Prefect Jul 2021 #43
A woman drove through the gate at a neighborhood whopis01 Jul 2021 #25
South Dakota attorney general still in office Mysterian Jul 2021 #8
This Ferrets are Cool Jul 2021 #30
I cannot imagine ever getting behind the wheel that drunk obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #9
Perhaps he thought he was protected by a ticket fixing scheme bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #11
Only toxicology tests on the deceased? LiberalFighter Jul 2021 #12
Shouldn't he be charged with hit and run? LiberalFighter Jul 2021 #13
That's what I can't figure out. He obviously knew he'd been in a wreck, because Wingus Dingus Jul 2021 #26
Sometimes bluedevil4 Jul 2021 #14
He'll plead the same thing Trump did for a year: NO COLLISION Mr. Ected Jul 2021 #17
You are fine in my book. Ligyron Jul 2021 #18
I get 'cha. Ilsa Jul 2021 #23
Just because the motorcycle was stuck to the front of his car Danascot Jul 2021 #20
Makes sense. twodogsbarking Jul 2021 #27
I had heard this story on the news here in Philly BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #22
A sign of TRUMP STRENGTH Tiger8 Jul 2021 #28
Typical Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #37
Absolutely not. It seems to be a repellent pattern. benfranklin1776 Jul 2021 #38
This kind of thing has happened several times BGBD Jul 2021 #41
Don't you know??? Blue_true Jul 2021 #45
soon to be "former" GOP candidate for Gov. ZonkerHarris Jul 2021 #49

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
3. Well, this certainly couldn't have been caused by the Republican. The Libtard on the
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:12 AM
Jul 2021

motorcycle was obviously trying to push the car out of the way and the car spun around just happening to latch onto the motorcyclist and the Libtard slipped under the wheels of the car. See? Libtard's fault. (Boy, oh boy, would I love to be a fly on the wall when they interview this character about why he's not guilty of killing the motorcycle operator.)

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
35. You know what a sense of humor is? My post is a potential excuse the
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 11:32 AM
Jul 2021

moron will give for why he didn't stop and continued down the road with the motorcycle stuck to his car. It's got zero to do with motorcycles.

hatrack

(59,578 posts)
5. The motorcyclist was - obviously - suicidally depressed . . .
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:20 AM
Jul 2021

Hey, if it works in SD, why not back east?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
47. I am sure that the republican lie machine is working up a story to make
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 12:17 AM
Jul 2021

the motorcyclist look like a drunken son of satan who was out raiding hell and harvesting souls until that good, godly republican ended satan son’s rampage.

Blue_playwright

(1,568 posts)
6. I don't know.
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:22 AM
Jul 2021

People react to extreme stress like this differently. Yes, stopping is what should happen. But folks with trauma or ptsd can react like this - or it can send someone into shock and they go into autopilot.

Let’s see before we pile on.

Texin

(2,590 posts)
31. People "react" like this when they're shitfaced drunk too.
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:40 AM
Jul 2021

In Texas a few years ago, a woman hit and killed a pedestrian who flew up onto the hood of her car. She proceeded to drive home, park in the garage with the man's body sticking out her front windshield and on the trunk and left him there for a couple of days before being forced by another person, or she herself finally gutted up the courage to turn herself into the police.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,055 posts)
44. That was my first thought.
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 11:22 PM
Jul 2021

I wonder if they'll come up with some reason for not releasing his blood alcohol content.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
32. That is unambiguously evil behavior, very typical of members of the Reptilian Party.
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:45 AM
Jul 2021

I don't give a shit what turned this pig into a Reptilian; he has no excuse.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
40. I can't imagine the mororcycle inserted through his grill not being able to shake his reverie ...
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 12:57 PM
Jul 2021

... chugging down the road. He was trying to run scenarios before he had his turn in the barrel with the local constabulary.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on. He fled the scene of an injury accident he was a party to.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
46. A person like you described SHOULD NOT be driving a motor vehicle.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 12:14 AM
Jul 2021

If the person is that fragile, he could run over a stop sign, panic then blast down a neighborhood street doing 90.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
7. How in the world could someone not grasp
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:31 AM
Jul 2021

there was a motorcycle on the front of their car.???? Not a bicycle, or even a body, but a motorcycle. He may not have caused the accident but was he driving a tank?? If you could not notice that difference in how your car was driving, you should not be driving.

But that is just my opinion.

plimsoll

(1,667 posts)
21. It says car, maybe he was in a new model truck?
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 08:38 AM
Jul 2021

The hood on new model trucks could easily obscure a motorcycle. Heck they can obscure smart cars for that matter.

Ford_Prefect

(7,872 posts)
24. We don't have the toxicology report on the driver of the car as to presence
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:07 AM
Jul 2021

of alcohol or other substances, or the presence of a cell phone implanted in the driver's ear. There is no mention of other persons being present in the car nor what they may have been doing prior to or during the accident.

According to the source above very little info has been released at all. Given that there was a 7 hour long shut down of the highway you'd think more would be known by now.

But, you know Republicans in office don't have any legal restraints applied, do they? They are categorically immune since they are chosen by GOD, or GOP, no?

Ford_Prefect

(7,872 posts)
39. WIthout reference to anything else I can accept that the driver was in shock
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 12:52 PM
Jul 2021

and may not have been in best control of his judgement at the time of the incident. People are human and some things will push us into places we have no control over. A traffic accident certainly qualifies as such.

However, it seems to me that a remarkable amount of time transpired between the event and re-opening the highway, during which certain facts might have been established by conscientious persons.

Accidents are often a sequence of unpredicted events leading to a dreadful conclusion. I suspect at the very least the driver not only witnessed the collision but may also have seen his future re-written in a moment. Not exactly what a professional politician would have expected nor be prepared to assimilate, let alone one of GOP's chosen.

Ford_Prefect

(7,872 posts)
43. I doubt the judge will find them exculpatory either.
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 01:16 PM
Jul 2021

My intention was Ironic Observation and not to imply any excuses for the driver.

whopis01

(3,491 posts)
25. A woman drove through the gate at a neighborhood
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:13 AM
Jul 2021

I lived in once.

She broke the gate off and it got caught under her car. She kept going and got out onto the highway.

The police officer who pulled her over described seeing a car going down the road with a shower of sparks shooting out from underneath it.

The driver never noticed.

The driver’s blood alcohol was about 3 times the limit.
That’s how a driver doesn’t notice such things.

Mysterian

(4,568 posts)
8. South Dakota attorney general still in office
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:32 AM
Jul 2021

after running over, killing man on shoulder of road in the middle of the night, fleeing the scene.

https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/ravnsborg-crash-what-we-know-about-how-it-happened/

In republican banana republic South Dakota, Ravnsborg is only charged with misdemeanors.

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
9. I cannot imagine ever getting behind the wheel that drunk
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 07:33 AM
Jul 2021

I know for a fact I wouldn't. These people are degenerates.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
26. That's what I can't figure out. He obviously knew he'd been in a wreck, because
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:18 AM
Jul 2021

he says he didn't cause it. Why did he not stop at the scene?

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
17. He'll plead the same thing Trump did for a year: NO COLLISION
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 08:14 AM
Jul 2021

Not a laughing subject, just couldn't help myself.

Ligyron

(7,616 posts)
18. You are fine in my book.
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 08:19 AM
Jul 2021

There again, I dig gallows humor.

However, some people around here take things that are obviously a joke way too seriously.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
23. I get 'cha.
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:07 AM
Jul 2021

I sometimes laugh at serious stuff just to keep from getting depressed, but I try not to do it in front of the victims (including family, etc).

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
20. Just because the motorcycle was stuck to the front of his car
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 08:37 AM
Jul 2021

doesn't mean he had anything to do with the accident.
There are many possible explanations.
Such as maybe the car was vaccinated and now attracts metal.

BumRushDaShow

(128,516 posts)
22. I had heard this story on the news here in Philly
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:06 AM
Jul 2021

and it was sortof reported almost convoluted, initially making it like it was a "hit and run". But then one other version that I heard was something about "seeing sparks" and a "dragging" of the motorcyclist that was hit, but then the story stopped there.

But I heard nothing on the radio about the dragging having gone on "for several miles" although it was suggested here -

Pa. GOP strategist running for governor being investigated for fatal crash on turnpike

by Angela Couloumbis of Spotlight PA
Updated Jul 23, 2021

(snip)

Pennsylvania State Police are investigating the crash, which occurred shortly before 10 p.m. Wednesday on the portion of the turnpike that runs through Tredyffrin Township, authorities said. A State Police report on the incident made public Thursday does not name Gerow. It says only that the crash involved a Honda motorcycle and a Mercedes Benz 300, both traveling westbound on the turnpike. It did not identify the man who was killed. But on Friday, Chester County Coroner Christina VandePol identified the victim as Logan Carl Abbott, 30, of Bradford County.

In a statement Friday, State Police spokesperson Brent Miller said the investigation is “active and ongoing,” and his agency is trying to determine whether other vehicles may have been involved. “The crash scene was large and the turnpike [westbound] was closed for approximately seven hours,” said Miller. “PSP still needs the public’s help. Anyone who witnessed, has video, or other information regarding this crash is asked to contact the Troop T-King of Prussia station at 610-279-1605.”

Nicholas Forgette, a highway construction worker who was working on the turnpike Wednesday evening, said he was on the opposite side of the highway when he saw Gerow’s car pass by with a motorcycle wedged into the grill of the car. In an interview Friday, Forgette said the first thing he noticed were sparks coming off a car that was traveling at a high rate of speed in the westbound lanes of the turnpike. He and members of his construction crew who were with him were dumbstruck, he said. “Everyone was in disbelief,” he said. “That is not something you see every day. It was a big motorcycle, too.

There were a bunch of sparks. And it was very loud.” Forgette, who works for a traffic control company in Pottstown, said Gerow was pulled over by State Police several miles from where he first saw him. He said Gerow was sitting on a guardrail, stone-faced and “kind of disconnected.” When he saw Gerow’s car, he said the motorcycle “was sitting upright, with the side stuck into the front of the car.” He said he left before the roadway reopened, but his crew members told him that Gerow was directed into the front seat of a cruiser and driven away from the scene.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/charlie-gerow-crash-turnpike-motorcyclist-20210723.html


 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
28. A sign of TRUMP STRENGTH
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 09:23 AM
Jul 2021

His office says that "he didn't cause the accident and was not injured" which sounds like the Trump Defense at work.

Republicans love this Trumpian display of strength. Deny, Attack and FIGHT LIKE HELL, TO THE DEATH - with the entire GOP behind you. And as Q says, "All for One, and One for All." No matter what one member does, if everybody gets behind him, then nothing can defeat them.

I think this all started with Trump claiming "I could shoot somebody in the middle of 5th Avenue, and wouldn't lose votes." but hitting a motorcyclist with your car is tragic, but no less than beating up Capitol police officers.

benfranklin1776

(6,443 posts)
38. Absolutely not. It seems to be a repellent pattern.
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 12:23 PM
Jul 2021

Not the first time a prominent PA Republican killed someone with his car and then didn’t immediately stop to try to render aid to the victim.

https://forensicfilesnow.com/index.php/2016/09/29/thomas-druce-pennsylvanias-not-proud/

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
41. This kind of thing has happened several times
Mon Jul 26, 2021, 01:02 PM
Jul 2021

and each time it was because the person driving away was so blitzed that they didn't realize it was even happening.

Odds are this guys BAC was .25.

Sober people who weren't at fault don't run from fatal accidents....especially with bodies or motorcycles stuck to their cars.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
45. Don't you know???
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 12:02 AM
Jul 2021

The motorcyclist was suicidal and lunged his motorcycle in front of the prick’s vehicle and the prick didn’t recognize that he had collided with a person on a heavy-assed motorcycle, so he drove on. That is what the AG is South Dakota is using.

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