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The Republicans are complaining about Dems not wanting to certify the 2004 election.
Here is why.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/03/hitchens200503
I truly think Kerry won Ohio. I thought it then, and I believe it now.
He should have went to the wall with forensic vote counting instead of folding.
https://www.gregpalast.com/kerry-won-ohio-rn-just-count-the-ballots-at-the-back-of-the-bus/
Kerry won, and should have fought.
Grasswire2
(13,564 posts)Kerry won.
Gore won.
Hillary may have won. I can't remember the data on that right now.
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PSPS
(13,512 posts)Even Reagan's "landslide" was engineered by his secret dealings with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after the election. The Iranians actually wanted to release them shortly after they were taken.
tirebiter
(2,520 posts)And he accepted the loss.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)I don't want a DU strike against me complaining about Democrats.
orleans
(33,987 posts)my attitude was that the election wasn't his to concede
mopinko
(69,806 posts)i got the news that he was packing up at the end of a verrrry long and demoralizing day in the art world.
it was a double whammy.
and i aint forgettin that he took our $42m in donations to fight w him, either.
Rhiannon12866
(202,973 posts)by Greg Palast November 4, 2004
A special Greg Palast Investigation for TomPaine.com
I know you dont want to hear it. You cant face one more hung chad. But I dont have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, its my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.
Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNNs exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The exit polls were later combined with and therefore contaminated by the tabulated results, ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohios male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.
So whats going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, Who did you vote for? Unfortunately, they dont ask the crucial, question, Was your vote counted? The voters dont know.
Heres why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded. This was predictable and it was predicted. [See, An Election Spoiled Rotten, November 1.]
Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, Im sorry to report, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot tricks old and new.
The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something called spoilage. Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head boobs on the tube tell you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 percent, dont you believe it it has never happened in the United States, because the total never reaches a neat 100 percent. The television totals simply subtract out the spoiled vote.
Much more: https://www.gregpalast.com/kerry-won-rnheres-the-facts/
Mister Ed
(5,896 posts)...and capture or kill legislators to prevent the certification.
Bettie
(15,998 posts)and talked about it among ourselves and then we got back to work as we always do.
brooklynite
(93,853 posts)Rigged voting machines were as much a fantasy then as they are now.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)You would have to go back to 1988 to find a legitimate Republican win.
If it weren't for several losses we were cheated out of, we would have won every single election 1992 through 2020.