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If Donald Trump is subpoenaed, as a private citizen and a former President, to appear before the Select Committee, he will challenge it in the Courts. That's what he has always done.
When it goes to the Supreme Court, do they rule in Trump's favor? Very likely.
That will be the time to expand the very political Supreme Court.
Nobody has a crystal ball but this looks to be the direction this investigation is going. They are all clamming up. The Department of Justice is going to have to step up.
The testimony of the Capitol policemen seems to not have even made a dent in the consciousness of this cult.
They call it an act. They were only "crisis actors"? Will McCarthy win the Best Supporting Actor when he is called to testify?
The Committee has no choice but to continue to call witnesses. Surely they will come across one that will be must-see television?
HAB911
(8,880 posts)we should have stayed with the monarchy and saved all the trouble
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Neither can Joe Biden.
thucythucy
(8,045 posts)Then again times are different, and no one can foresee the future.
I'm just old enough to remember people saying no US Attorney General will ever be indicted. They were talking about John Mitchell. No vice president will ever be indicted. Enter Spiro Agnew. No president has ever been forced to resign... You get the picture.
One possible scenario: if incontroverable evidence is revealed that Trump and his ilk absolutely planned for a coup--say a tape of Trump and Jared and Flynn going though the plan point by point, along with a list of critics slated for arrest or assassination after the coup--and the Supreme Court on a partisan vote refused to allow law enforcement to take action. If this followed a ruling over turning Roe v. Wade, the collective outrage might just carry the day, especially if this led to massive losses by the GOP in the mid terms.
But you're probably right about this, sad to say.
Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)Nixon was told by repugs at the time, that if he did not resign he would be impeached. He resigned the next day.
thucythucy
(8,045 posts)was assumed by using the "..."
Yes, of course Nixon had to resign. That was my point, that what was once the consensus view that this or that could never happen is precisely what came to pass.
I promise in the future to be more explicit.
Best wishes.
spanone
(135,819 posts)everyone subpoenaed will fight it.
these are not honorable people
kentuck
(111,078 posts)He knows a lot. He replaced Bill Barr as AG in the final weeks of the Trump disaster.
spanone
(135,819 posts)gab13by13
(21,304 posts)but will the SC side with every case? I would not subpoena Trump first, go with people who the SC may rule against.
Subpoenas need to happen quickly so they can get through the courts.
I mean having subpoena power and not being able to use it makes no sense, hopefully it also makes no sense to a partisan SC.
kentuck
(111,078 posts)No more checkers.
JohnSJ
(92,131 posts)prosecuted, even for the same offenses they were impeached for, so I don't see the courts protecting him from being called as a witness
What I see happening is delay tactics they would use that would allow him to run out run the clock
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I don't think that Trump would say anything revealing since it's all on video anyway.
However, if he is subpoenaed, it would likely keep the hearing open till about the midterms.
Which is would be a huge win for our side.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)He would absolutely love 2 or 3 days of cameras trained on him.
He's probably lobbying to get subpoenaed right now.
bluestarone
(16,906 posts)This will ALL be stalled until we see who controls the House and Senate after the 22 election. It seems like they could stall this at least until then.
kentuck
(111,078 posts)To stall beyond the midterms.
If Republicons win, they will sweep it under the rug, hid from view.
bluestarone
(16,906 posts)spanone
(135,819 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Then, if the Pukes take back the House, this investigation will disappear.
brooklynite
(94,501 posts)Just like "of course" they were going to hear his voter fraud lawsuit?
As conservative as they are, there's no basis for a civilian refusing a subpoena from Congress. They won't uphold his refusal.
kentuck
(111,078 posts)But it is very possible they will be caught up in the cult fervor. They could be very unpredictable. We would all hope they would be above such petty politics, but they have some real "winners" on this Court.
brooklynite
(94,501 posts)He's not a Trumpist and he's concerned about his and the Court's historical reputation.
brooklynite
(94,501 posts)There's no Constitutional issue to be considered.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)it's too late.
Lettuce Be
(2,336 posts)MissMillie
(38,548 posts)Since he's already been charged in Congress and acquitted in the Senate, there's no way he'll be charged again for anything. Therefore it's almost as though he has immunity from prosecution. (I think I'm right on this, but I don't know for sure. Being tried by the Senate may not count towards avoiding Double Jeopardy.)
He will, of course, be tried in the court of public opinion.
And then it becomes a issue of whether or not he tells the truth. That will be a damned-if you do/damned-if-you don't situation for him. Lying to Congress is a crime. Telling the truth ends his political career.