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Tennessee Hillbilly

(587 posts)
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:57 AM Jul 2021

Does Liz Cheney know something?

I get the impression that Liz Cheney may have heard or seen something that indicates that trump and/or other repug leaders helped plan and organize the Jan 6 attack on Congress.

Of course this already seems very likely to most members of DU, just based on circumstantial evidence.

But cheney may have gotten more specific information from her private interactions with other repugs. At the time of the attack, she was part of the house republican leadership, and other repugs had no reason to distrust her. She could have heard something specific about preparations or plans being made to try to disrupt the process of certifying Biden's victory.

Here is a quote from news media reports about an exchange cheney had with jim jordan during the attack:
Quote:
While these maniacs are going through the place, I’m standing in the aisle and he said "We need to get the ladies away from the aisle. Let me help you." I smacked his hand away and told him, ‘Get away from me. You f---ing did this.'"
Link: https://www.thewrap.com/liz-cheney-trump-jim-jordan/

Cheney has also made other statements that suggest to me that she thinks the attack was planned and organized in advance. For example,
Quote:
Cheney, who said that the committee's investigation is "not a game" and "deadly serious," said that the panel could subpoena McCarthy and Trump, but that “the committee will go wherever we need to go to get the facts.”
Link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/capitol-riot-january-6-committee-hearing-n1275078/ncrd1275129#liveBlogHeader

Of course all of this is speculation on my part. It's just that I've been very surprised by how angry cheney is, and how determined she is to pursue the investigation. Does she know something that we don't?

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Does Liz Cheney know something? (Original Post) Tennessee Hillbilly Jul 2021 OP
Darth Daddy may still have contacts in the intelligence community EYESORE 9001 Jul 2021 #1
That's what I was thinking Walleye Jul 2021 #6
That, combined with her GOP contacts information, may be completing a very Ilsa Jul 2021 #11
Interesting thought. In spite of what Darth Daddy may have been Hortensis Jul 2021 #42
"I've often been struck by how little political assassination happens in the U.S." I have thought Escurumbele Jul 2021 #63
That first's a good point. As for Whackjob in Chief making wishful Hortensis Jul 2021 #78
This is just an extension of the Trump Bush feud Bucky Jul 2021 #19
+1 leftstreet Jul 2021 #21
I agree with your premise, but please keep the banjo out of this. sarchasm Jul 2021 #23
Okay, cousin Bodine Bucky Jul 2021 #40
whoa ... sarchasm Jul 2021 #60
I thought the same thing about the banjo...not all banjo players are republicans... Escurumbele Jul 2021 #65
Of course not. 💚 Bucky Jul 2021 #72
Steve Martin was a great banjo player from Texas with an arrow through his head. rickyhall Jul 2021 #87
+2 Wild blueberry Jul 2021 #24
Excellent observation! Catherine Vincent Jul 2021 #71
Wow Desert_Leslie Jul 2021 #104
I think you're onto something sboatcar Jul 2021 #25
Knowledge about Putin's hand in the festivities may be firing them both up too. JudyM Jul 2021 #27
Yes, I think that is a big factor. wnylib Jul 2021 #51
i sure hope so....hes one scary dude and trump et al should be very nervous samnsara Jul 2021 #54
I was gonna ask if he's still getting the Daily Brief? Volaris Jul 2021 #59
"Liz will have no mercy for Kevin..." ShazzieB Jul 2021 #74
The Biden administration was having a discussion about whether to go with the summer_in_TX Jul 2021 #91
This group of Republicans DENVERPOPS Jul 2021 #69
Yes there is a star wars analogy that seems appropriate.. Volaris Jul 2021 #84
I really liked the Thrawn trilogy kirkuchiyo Jul 2021 #100
I truly believe this. Plus, I believe the old fashioned GOP is Dan Jul 2021 #85
👍 Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #102
Oh I sure hope so! MLAA Jul 2021 #2
I'm guessing that most members of Congress know inside information that they're not revealing Poiuyt Jul 2021 #3
While it is a noble thought nothing in the recent history of attempts CentralMass Jul 2021 #4
Quiet you... Bucky Jul 2021 #15
Yes, of course they do PatSeg Jul 2021 #30
Yes -- and I would NEVER want to be the sights of any of the Cheneys JT45242 Jul 2021 #5
☝️ Walleye Jul 2021 #7
Not wearing masks as a sign - interesting and also, if true, sheer idiocy. JudyM Jul 2021 #8
Liz and Dick are light weights compared to the Mother, Lynne Submariner Jul 2021 #13
I think it is Daddy Dick who knows something. murielm99 Jul 2021 #36
I hate the guy, but you're totally right. sboatcar Jul 2021 #26
Wow, the mask wearing. My God. Diabolical. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #103
I think they all know something. madaboutharry Jul 2021 #9
Thanks for a great post, TH, and YES, that "You fucking did this" snippet was so fierce and Leghorn21 Jul 2021 #10
She knew enough on 01/06 ScratchCat Jul 2021 #12
I so hope she buries them demtenjeep Jul 2021 #48
IMO, Congress has a similar atmosphere Eyeball_Kid Jul 2021 #53
Her interactions with Jim Jordan have been PERSONAL and not pleasant Bucky Jul 2021 #14
I wish there was a kick button for replies, because this one is perfect. sboatcar Jul 2021 #29
she knows quite a bit. she saw it coming. mopinko Jul 2021 #16
I'm guessing that Chaney was suppose to be part of the planning fwvinson Jul 2021 #33
yeah, no doubt she was recruited. mopinko Jul 2021 #43
Seems quite plausible. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #17
Think your 'speculation' is spot on peggysue2 Jul 2021 #18
Daddy Dick called Trump out for selling out America in his dealings w/Russia Botany Jul 2021 #20
Agree with all of this. ShazzieB Jul 2021 #77
I hope so, after all she lived in the snake pit for a long time. MoonRiver Jul 2021 #22
And some venom of her own. wnylib Jul 2021 #57
Yes indeed. That's why she felt comfortable there, until 1/6/21. MoonRiver Jul 2021 #70
Oh goddess, I hope so! Wild blueberry Jul 2021 #28
Yes. H2O Man Jul 2021 #31
Yes, and it must be really bad. mountain grammy Jul 2021 #32
Yup. Really really really Vlad. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #105
Everyone inside repub politics seems to know something tishaLA Jul 2021 #34
K&R n/t Alice Kramden Jul 2021 #35
That is very possible. gordianot Jul 2021 #37
My interpretation of her statement to Jordan on 1/6 is that she just meant what we all world wide wally Jul 2021 #38
Of course darth vader knows Roc2020 Jul 2021 #39
I totally agree with your points Sogo Jul 2021 #41
I heard there is video of several of the usual suspects (MTG etc) giving tours to the terrorists Hamlette Jul 2021 #44
I also read something about that recently, based on CCTV recordings from inside the Capitol. TheRickles Jul 2021 #47
The videos are stored but not released. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2021 #55
I think that someone who's seen those videos was interviewed, IIRC. But I forget who it was. TheRickles Jul 2021 #62
I'm thrilled someone else heard/read it. Hamlette Jul 2021 #80
Same here - thanks for the validation. TheRickles Jul 2021 #83
Try some of these Google hits -- eppur_se_muova Jul 2021 #97
thanks Hamlette Jul 2021 #107
KICK orangecrush Jul 2021 #45
Yes she know's something about her party RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2021 #46
Yes. Silver Gaia Jul 2021 #99
I don't think that it's a mystery. It's just that she's openly saying it. themaguffin Jul 2021 #49
McConnell knows this as well and is why he directed the Senate Rs to vote no on an investigation. ShazamIam Jul 2021 #50
if so, her oath makes her duty bound to share it without delay bringthePaine Jul 2021 #52
She seems to have an anger that indicates a special knowlege. marble falls Jul 2021 #56
Ever since Jason Chaffetz unexpectedly resigned from Congress in 2017, I have thought the GOP Mr. Ected Jul 2021 #58
Many Of Them Know Something ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #61
Many know that trump support is based on primary voter support, empedocles Jul 2021 #66
Sounds About Right ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #73
Alos the courts and the Investigations empedocles Jul 2021 #81
How low has the GOP gotten UnderThisLaw Jul 2021 #64
Its not that difficult ScratchCat Jul 2021 #67
Of course she does. She is playing it just right...like the snark she is. I bet she is waiting for joetheman Jul 2021 #68
The quote about slapping Gym Jordan came from JCS Milley Raine1967 Jul 2021 #75
A lifetime ago DVRacer Jul 2021 #76
Of course she does Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #79
Out with it! Blue Owl Jul 2021 #82
well we know she knows about lying down with dogs Skittles Jul 2021 #86
The Cheney's ARE the Deepstate Beetwasher. Jul 2021 #88
Darth is in deep. KentuckyWoman Jul 2021 #89
Very possible. Xolodno Jul 2021 #90
Let Them Dig Themselves A Deep Hole, Then Drop The Nuke Into The Hole nt smb Jul 2021 #98
Does she need to know more than what we know to be upset ? JI7 Jul 2021 #92
Truthfully, you've just made the case for her knowing what we know: intheflow Jul 2021 #93
when is the next hearing? TalenaGor Jul 2021 #94
I think she is justifiably bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #95
Well... Mike Nelson Jul 2021 #106
I want McCarthy to testify about that phone call oldsoftie Jul 2021 #96
Wouldn't surprise me. Joinfortmill Jul 2021 #101

EYESORE 9001

(25,932 posts)
1. Darth Daddy may still have contacts in the intelligence community
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jul 2021

I imagine he’s none too pleased with the treatment his daughter is getting.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
11. That, combined with her GOP contacts information, may be completing a very
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:15 AM
Jul 2021
Sinister plot by trump and his minions.

Last night, one of the MSNBC hosts said that Cheney and Kinzinger (?) believe they are in danger. It was a general comment without specifics, but it makes sense. TFG's goons would gladly kill them to terrorize anyone opposing TFG.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
42. Interesting thought. In spite of what Darth Daddy may have been
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:30 PM
Jul 2021

involved in during his career, I've often been struck by how little political assassination happens in the U.S., especially given the dreadful people and extremism that've taken over the GOP.

So far. I believe you must be right that they "would gladly," but best guess is they're still constrained by not yet having the power to make sure they couldn't be held accountable.

So maybe the danger Liz et al worry about is still in the form of the violent mobs and undirected lone-actor attacks their "colleagues" are stirring up. The old phrase for RW efforts to incite during Obama's first term, "trolling for assassins," comes to mind. Actually sending one would be a very big, new step, especially for their cowardly leader.

Until now, trolling for violence, pushing along death row executions, abandoning minority allies to genocide in foreign lands, and encouraging his loyalists to join super-spreader events seem to have been tRump's level.

Escurumbele

(3,389 posts)
63. "I've often been struck by how little political assassination happens in the U.S." I have thought
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:19 PM
Jul 2021

about that as well, and I have come to the conclusion that a high percent of high profile cases always get solved, and they may fear they would also get caught, why they do not to go along with it. Although the Epstein case has been very quiet, but there is a book out there that may open the case up.

Although one of trump-the-buffoon's worst attributes is his lack of understanding of consequences, I am sure he has mentioned ideas like it, but people around him have stopped him. I also think that trump, even when president, has been in the radar of the FBI and CIA, I have a feeling there is a lot of recorded conversations of the buffoon hidden away in more than one intelligence agency, and he, or the people who protect him, most probably suspect that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
78. That first's a good point. As for Whackjob in Chief making wishful
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 02:27 PM
Jul 2021

suggestions in private that he be "rid" him of troublesome priests, agree he must have, also that much more'll be known and documented than we know.

Good grief just remembering his many public calls for illegal actions to his rally crowds.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
19. This is just an extension of the Trump Bush feud
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:23 AM
Jul 2021

The Bush Clan hates the Trump Clump and vice versa. This is a turf war

The country clubbers who have been using the redneck banjo pickers to win elections for generations are resentful of the charlatan upstart from reality TV who came along and took their suburban stooges away from them... by saying out loud the same dog whisper malarkey the jillionaires have been using since Goldwater to stoke and exploit America's bigoted underbelly.

sarchasm

(1,012 posts)
23. I agree with your premise, but please keep the banjo out of this.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:50 AM
Jul 2021

I'm in the music biz and there are plenty of folks that play that instrument that are trying like hell to eliminate that stereotype.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
40. Okay, cousin Bodine
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jul 2021

No offense intended toward Banjoed Americans.

'Round here in Texas we call 'em "continental ukuleles"

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
72. Of course not. 💚
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:54 PM
Jul 2021

It's a slur, not a thesis. I have a lot of musician friends here in Houston, several of whom love playing banjo, and they're almost all Democrats or unpolitical.

sboatcar

(415 posts)
25. I think you're onto something
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:51 AM
Jul 2021

has anyone gone face to face with Cheney and won?


Shit, even that guy who he shot apologized for getting in the way of his bullets.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
59. I was gonna ask if he's still getting the Daily Brief?
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:03 PM
Jul 2021

He's legally entitled right? If he's getting it, I'm sure he isnt doing anything illegal with it (like passing classified info or whatnot), BUT im ALSO sure that he, and his daughter, are NOT people to fuck around with. Dems have known how dangerous an opponent he can be for a while...I suspect Trump's Idiot 'Republicans' are about to find out.

Liz will have NO MERCY for Kevin; I suspect it may shock even us how ruthless this is going to get lol...

ShazzieB

(16,377 posts)
74. "Liz will have no mercy for Kevin..."
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 02:04 PM
Jul 2021

Bring it on! He doesn't deserve any mercy, and he's in dire need of a major ass-kicking.

summer_in_TX

(2,735 posts)
91. The Biden administration was having a discussion about whether to go with the
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 12:21 AM
Jul 2021

usual practice and give Trump access, or not, last I heard.

I haven't heard the upshot.

DENVERPOPS

(8,814 posts)
69. This group of Republicans
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:38 PM
Jul 2021

have not one fucking clue of what they are dealing with when they trash her. She is Dick Cheney's daughter you dimwits......

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
84. Yes there is a star wars analogy that seems appropriate..
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 08:41 PM
Jul 2021

Princess Leia found a planet that had 'bent the knee' so to speak, to her father.

When she arrived, the locals referred to her as Lady Vader, cause they said they could SMELL her dead father in her blood.

LADY VADER seems an appropriate (if cruel) DU nickname for Liz Cheney.
Ymmv

kirkuchiyo

(402 posts)
100. I really liked the Thrawn trilogy
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:14 AM
Jul 2021

But I don't think that's canon anymore now that Disney bought it. But it would've made a far better episode 7, 8 and 9 than the drivel that we got.

Dan

(3,551 posts)
85. I truly believe this. Plus, I believe the old fashioned GOP is
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:22 PM
Jul 2021

Starting to fight back, maybe a war in the shadows but a war for the soul (?) of the GOP.

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
3. I'm guessing that most members of Congress know inside information that they're not revealing
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jul 2021

Maybe they're heard hearsay or have seen things with their own eyes. Republicans will, of course, not say anything to protect their comrades. Perhaps Dems aren't saying anything because they don't have concrete evidence.

Also just speculating.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
4. While it is a noble thought nothing in the recent history of attempts
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jul 2021

to hold anyone in power in DC accountable for misdeeds has not yielded any positive results. This effort will likely fall flat as well.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
15. Quiet you...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jul 2021

You with the historically reliable patterns of unaccountability of the powerful... The good guys win sometimes

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
30. Yes, of course they do
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:04 PM
Jul 2021

It may feel at times that the bad guys never get held accountable or that we never make any progress, but looking back at history, yes the good guys do win sometimes. We would be living in a totalitarian world if they hadn't.

JT45242

(2,266 posts)
5. Yes -- and I would NEVER want to be the sights of any of the Cheneys
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:05 AM
Jul 2021

Between Liz and Dick, they have enough dirt vacuums to know all that ws going on in the dirty parts of the Rethhuglican party that no one wants to talk about.

Dick will supply her with the political ammunition to shoot these people in the face. When McCarthy called Trump, there would be a transcript -- guess who knows how to get hands on that outside of channels? Dick Cheney

So, when she questions McCarthy -- she will likely give him one chance -- "understanding that you are under oath before Congress, Leader McCarthy what exactly was said between yourself and Mr Trump on January 6 when you called from our secure location?
Kevin are you sure that was what was in the conversation? "

OK -- I'll read the transcript then. "Insert transcript"

Mr McCarthy you appear to have lied under oath before Congress. Do you know what the penalty for that is? Why would you risk that penalty unless you are part of a larger crime?"

She will then ask McCarthy if not wearing masks was a sign to the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers,and other insurgents who was loyal to Trump and should not be injured or killed.

It will be a blood bath. At the end -- She will emerge as the new House Minority leader.

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
13. Liz and Dick are light weights compared to the Mother, Lynne
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:16 AM
Jul 2021

if you happened to see her on CNN's Crossfire in the '90s you would understand she is a political animal not to be screwed with. That trio must be fun to be with when they get their collective hate on at a target.

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
36. I think it is Daddy Dick who knows something.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:18 PM
Jul 2021

And if he knows, Lynne knows.

If they cross his daughter, watch out!

sboatcar

(415 posts)
26. I hate the guy, but you're totally right.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:53 AM
Jul 2021

In conservative circles, he's the one person you don't want to be on the bad side of. Sure, Trump can make a lot of noise and has a band of idiotic followers, but Dick Cheney has his fingers EVERYWHERE in government and the private sector.

madaboutharry

(40,209 posts)
9. I think they all know something.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:13 AM
Jul 2021

Liz Cheney said to Jim Jordan: “You fucking did this!”

I am beginning to think there is panic among some republicans.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
10. Thanks for a great post, TH, and YES, that "You fucking did this" snippet was so fierce and
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:13 AM
Jul 2021

unforgiving, it really stood in sharp contrast to the usual mumblebullshitgaslight we hear from GOPees anymore.

I shall up my optimism by three notches today, thanks to you!!

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
12. She knew enough on 01/06
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:15 AM
Jul 2021

To tell Jim Jordan "You f*****g did this!"

So, yeh, I'm sure she does.

The post above about McCarthy is spot on. They'll be transcripts of calls.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
53. IMO, Congress has a similar atmosphere
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:54 PM
Jul 2021

to a small village. Everyone knows everyone’s shit. And they struggle to keep it in this dysfunctional “family.” They all gossip. So they all know who did what.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
14. Her interactions with Jim Jordan have been PERSONAL and not pleasant
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jul 2021

If she was her daddy, she'd've taken him quail hunting and shot him in the face by now. She wants him gone

It's a visceral dislike; he tried to glad hand and "protect" her during the insurrection. She knows he's tied to the reconnaissance tours on January 5th.

If there's one thing Republicans are good at, it's using the leverage of government to carry out good old fashioned vendettas. Sometimes the mafia robs your store; sometimes they shoot each other up.

mopinko

(70,089 posts)
16. she knows quite a bit. she saw it coming.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:21 AM
Jul 2021

she talked to milley several times ahead of 1/6.
plus she hasnt had her head up her ass like most in her party.

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
33. I'm guessing that Chaney was suppose to be part of the planning
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:13 PM
Jul 2021

And, she refused, saw it to be illegal, dangerous, non-sensical, she knew what was about to take place and probably even warned the republican clown show about what would happen if they went through with this planned insurrection.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
18. Think your 'speculation' is spot on
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:22 AM
Jul 2021

Liz Cheney is playing the long-game. In this instance, the truth will come out. And yes, I think she's very aware of the complicity within her own ranks and that the Trump plague ship is going down. Why tie yourself to the mast of a sinking ship? Particularly with a bunch of fascist traitors.

The woman may be an arch-conservative but she's no dummy. And she has a lot of contacts, people in-the-know to rely on for corroborating information.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
20. Daddy Dick called Trump out for selling out America in his dealings w/Russia
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:25 AM
Jul 2021

And yes I am sure she knows some stuff about 1/6/21 too. Pre riot tours??

M.T. Greene is really nervous about something too. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142775850

ShazzieB

(16,377 posts)
77. Agree with all of this.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 02:22 PM
Jul 2021

Especially about Mangy Traitor Greene. She's obviously in a panic, and so is Gaetz.

Speaking of which, if either she or child raper Gaetz had a lick of sense, they'd hoth be laying as low as possible rather than drawing attention to themselves with that clown show of a presser they staged.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
22. I hope so, after all she lived in the snake pit for a long time.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:33 AM
Jul 2021

She probably picked up some important intel.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
32. Yes, and it must be really bad.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:09 PM
Jul 2021

For a Cheney to acknowlege this treason in the GOP, it must be really, really bad.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
34. Everyone inside repub politics seems to know something
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:14 PM
Jul 2021

Chris Wallace asked those pointed questions of Qevin McCarthy a few months ago that indicated there's a lot of talk about stuff we don't know yet but will come out eventually if people ask the right questions and aren't hamstrung.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
37. That is very possible.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:19 PM
Jul 2021

Nature and politics abhors a vacuum. Why not position yourself to pick up the pieces? She certainly was in a position to know what was going on.

world wide wally

(21,741 posts)
38. My interpretation of her statement to Jordan on 1/6 is that she just meant what we all
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jul 2021

already know. Their consistent whining about the election being stolen is what inspired the mob.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
41. I totally agree with your points
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:29 PM
Jul 2021

and had the same thoughts about Cheney, especially what she said to Jordan.



Hamlette

(15,411 posts)
44. I heard there is video of several of the usual suspects (MTG etc) giving tours to the terrorists
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:36 PM
Jul 2021

since it seems none of you heard of that maybe I'm wrong.

TheRickles

(2,058 posts)
47. I also read something about that recently, based on CCTV recordings from inside the Capitol.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jul 2021

But I can't find a link now. Maybe someone else has it?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
55. The videos are stored but not released.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:00 PM
Jul 2021

They’re probably too explosive and will be used if/when members of Congress are prosecuted.

Hamlette

(15,411 posts)
80. I'm thrilled someone else heard/read it.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 03:17 PM
Jul 2021

I thought I was going nuts. I can't remember where I heard/read it but at least I'm not the only one.

No wonder the GOP is freaked out. If it's true that Trump was more involved in the planning, and we can prove it, there could be some criminal charges in his future, as well as the tour guides.

TheRickles

(2,058 posts)
83. Same here - thanks for the validation.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 04:49 PM
Jul 2021

It's not totally shocking that I can't remember where I read about it, but my Google History didn't come up with anything despite using the most likely keywords. I even thought it might have been on DU, but I guess not. Hopefully it'll surface again....

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
97. Try some of these Google hits --
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:52 AM
Jul 2021
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=msnbc+shows+footage+of+republicans+giving+tours

Notice they all date from Jan or Feb ? Then silence.

“The U.S. attorney has the investigation going on now. I’m sure they’re looking at the footage ... so that’s in their hands now,” Ryan said. “Anybody who’s dealt with the U.S. attorney during an investigation — it’s like a black box, you don’t really know what’s going on but you know it’s happening.”

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,671 posts)
46. Yes she know's something about her party
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:46 PM
Jul 2021

They are up to their necks in bullshit and cover about 1/6


Many fishy things happened that day.

but her party has turned and changed tune since that very day, no they just parrot whatever TFG says...SCARY

Bombs were reported to be found at the RNC and DNC about an hour before the riot, why was the capital not locked down after that ????

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

What is the wording lihop is that let it happen ?

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
58. Ever since Jason Chaffetz unexpectedly resigned from Congress in 2017, I have thought the GOP
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:02 PM
Jul 2021

Was the target of a vast blackmail campaign.

Most likely initiated by Putin but run through Trump and the RNC.

The lengths to which every single accusation has been covered up and made to look like old-fashioned partisan politics only strengthens my belief that this is the case. The Republican Party's future is dependent on covering this up. Liz Cheney wants her party back, and she's willing to expose the cancer in the hopes that the patient is still well enough to survive.

I'm obviously not a fan of Cheney nor the old-school Republican Party, but Trump + Putin in Washington = fascism and I would much rather having a legitimate counterpoint to the Democratic Party in power than the ever-present threat of a veritable takeover.

ProfessorGAC

(65,008 posts)
61. Many Of Them Know Something
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:10 PM
Jul 2021

That's why they tried so hard to derail the commission, started the whole "hugs & kisses" nonsense, and are now downplaying the committee as partisan.
A great many of them know that there's stuff they don't want us to know.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
66. Many know that trump support is based on primary voter support,
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:31 PM
Jul 2021

and his overall support is thinning.

The 'cons know there is a lot more that come out in the next year.

ProfessorGAC

(65,008 posts)
73. Sounds About Right
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 02:01 PM
Jul 2021

Given the attempted coup, the losing one term former POTUS would be old news already.
The whining for 2+ months, then the insurrection, extended the time when the public would be interested in the former, FIRED, regime.
So, we're now where we'd normally be in May. It's not August yet.
In a few more months, being in the cult will begin looking passé & boring.
His influence should have waned more at this point, but the extraordinary events have delayed the inevitable.

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
67. Its not that difficult
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:31 PM
Jul 2021

A number of Republican House members let the people in the day before for "recon", probably helped them get in on 01/06 and knew that, at minimum, they were going to try to disrupt the EC vote count. Its not very difficult to draw up criminal charges against these House members. Even if a referral is not made to DOJ, the plurality of Congress will likely demand that they are removed in lieu of that.

The GOP didn't want this for simple reasons: It keeps the spotlight on Traitor Trump and what he tried to pull. They had their chance to get rid of him for good, but were too afraid of losing voters/elections in 2022/2024 and wouldn't. Too many have tied themselves to his crazytown contingency of voters because they know they can't win re-election with support from traditional GOP voters alone. They want a GOP-friendly narrative at all times, something in the category of "bad black people" or "your country being stolen". Its kind of hard to portray themselves as the "good guys" or "saviors" when you support overthrowing our democracy for a life-long con man with no history of public service. Thus, the kicking and screaming...

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
68. Of course she does. She is playing it just right...like the snark she is. I bet she is waiting for
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 01:33 PM
Jul 2021

the right time to catch the scum in a lie under oath. Count on there being some undisclosed tapes or emails in the wings.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
75. The quote about slapping Gym Jordan came from JCS Milley
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 02:04 PM
Jul 2021

She is friends with him. I think it is safe to assume she knows things.

I can only imagine what she will share with other members of the 1.6 committee.

I truly believe she wants the party she knows as the GOP to return. (It never will)

I also believe she is doing this to protect our democratic republic.
She'll be running for POTUS in the future. These two things can happen at the same time. While I'm somewhat cynical, I'd be willing to take the risk -- our nation is at stake.

DVRacer

(707 posts)
76. A lifetime ago
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 02:07 PM
Jul 2021

When I was a young intelligence specialist I worked in and thru the Pentagon and Langley. I would never fuck with Lynne Dick or anyone named Cheney nobody in the IC is that stupid. If there is goods to be had you can bet your ass Liz has them how she plays it is going to interesting to see. As they use to say about Al Queda the chatter is off the charts.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,966 posts)
79. Of course she does
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 02:28 PM
Jul 2021

She is not Darth Cheney's daughter for nothing. When she told Gym Jordan, "You fucking did this!" she knew exactly what she was talking about. That bunch of lightweights has NO IDEA what they are dealing with. Ol' Darth taught her well. He is probably sitting out in Wyoming laughing his ass off right now. I can't stand the man and I don't really like her either, but this is a case of watching the snakes eat each other....and for all I don't like them, the Cheneys don't play with Vlad.

Qevin had best not accept any friendly invitations to the Cheney ranch to go quail hunting...or even play poker.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
89. Darth is in deep.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:48 PM
Jul 2021

The Cheneys are in deep enough that when the upstarts get full of themselves, Liz can just grin and encourage them to "Go ahead, keep it up and see where you end up. "

That whole Blackwater bunch are still out doing what they do while we all pay attention to the Magas instead.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
90. Very possible.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:01 PM
Jul 2021

If you have extensive knowledge on something that could be devastating to those giving you grief....you don't drop that nuke right away. You wait until they have dug their own grave and watch those who piggy back with them. Then you drop it and take the whole lot of them out.

Yes that might be minority status for awhile, but that will eventually change. McCarthy who represents a district full of almond farmers and oil workers...may never see the gavel if that nuke is dropped. While Cheney, well, who knows what her career aspirations are.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
92. Does she need to know more than what we know to be upset ?
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 12:22 AM
Jul 2021

There is already enough known for people who aren't Trump cultists to be angry .

intheflow

(28,463 posts)
93. Truthfully, you've just made the case for her knowing what we know:
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 12:26 AM
Jul 2021

That the current Republican party is full of terrorists and traitors.

bucolic_frolic

(43,141 posts)
95. I think she is justifiably
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:20 AM
Jul 2021

proud of her political heritage, and is fiercely competitive in nature. Yes, she knows everything. She believes in the fair competition of legitimate ideas in a democratic republic. Stealing the republic through fraud, deceit, lies, coercion, or force has little interest for her, I would suspect. It would make the reign politically illegitimate, and would eventually fail.

Are she and Pelosi talking? She and Biden? Because they know everything political outside the GOP, as well as much inside. These are all defenders of the republic. It's the most elite political club, even when on opposite sides in normal times.

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
106. Well...
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jul 2021

... don't know about Biden, but Liz and Pelosi must have a private communication method. I believe they mapped out the entire committee assignment story before the announcements. I don't think Liz Cheney and Nancy Pelosi would make public committee offers and acceptances without privately knowing the outcome, well before we know. They don't suffer fools gladly...

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
96. I want McCarthy to testify about that phone call
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:51 AM
Jul 2021

he cant deny it because too many people heard him say it.
I want to hear his own words read into the record

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