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comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:29 AM Jul 2021

Biden Gains the Upper Hand on Mitch McConnell

https://politicalwire.com/2021/07/29/biden-gains-the-upper-hand-on-mitch-mcconnell/#disqus_thread

The bipartisan infrastructure deal cleared a key Senate procedural vote last night by 67 to 32. It’s surprising the bill attracted 17 Republican votes, but it’s even more surprising that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) voted for the bill.

Quite a few people — including me — were convinced that no bipartisan deal was possible. McConnell would never strike a deal, as Jonathan Bernstein explains our logic, “as long as the out-party opposes any bill it will automatically be seen as controversial, lose popularity and therefore fail to deliver any electoral rewards for the president’s party.”

Of course, last night’s vote does not mean the deal is done. Speaker Nancy Pelosi won’t even bring up the bipartisan bill for a vote until the Senate passes a broader $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill. And many progressive Democrats are furious and dropping veiled threats of voting against the bill.


I never thought this was remotely possible. I'm pleasantly surprised. Good job Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden.
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Biden Gains the Upper Hand on Mitch McConnell (Original Post) comradebillyboy Jul 2021 OP
They know their voters want infrastructure. They will campaign for their support of mucifer Jul 2021 #1
If this thing gets through the Senate and the House comradebillyboy Jul 2021 #2
As long as both bills pass. If only this one passes the repubs will claim victory mucifer Jul 2021 #4
Kentucky is one of the top socialist taker states, of course Mitch wants more money to them. TheBlackAdder Jul 2021 #26
K & R !! Go ahead. Vote against it at your own political peril Budi Jul 2021 #3
So, you're buying the anti-progressive media narrative? Sibelius Fan Jul 2021 #6
Dem energy needs to go into passing legislation, not promoting nina empedocles Jul 2021 #12
Thank You Budi Jul 2021 #14
+1000! mcar Jul 2021 #44
Not to speak for someone else, but I think she's "buying" the great progress against long odds.... George II Jul 2021 #40
I know! Politicians who engage in that type of grandstanding, showboating are generally WEAK... NurseJackie Jul 2021 #20
K & R THIS ⬆️ Budi Jul 2021 #21
Hah, that's strange - "progressives" voting against bills and getting in the way of PROGRESS.... George II Jul 2021 #42
Right? mcar Jul 2021 #45
Like True Blue American Jul 2021 #51
Too many to name here... but people who follow politics know who they are. NurseJackie Jul 2021 #53
Pelosi is aligned with the Progressive Caucus on infrastructure, and rightly so. Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #29
Sinema & the naysayers became irrelevant in the recent passage. Budi Jul 2021 #32
You are correct- if the bipartisan bill isn't passed in house until Senate passes reconciliation Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #33
I think Mcconnell has decided he doesn't want Joe Biden Tomconroy Jul 2021 #5
Well, Biden IS a white guy so... TxGuitar Jul 2021 #11
Or maybe, as he sees TFG facing so many wnylib Jul 2021 #25
Translation: Or maybe, as he sees Trump facing so many NurseJackie Jul 2021 #27
:) McConnell's alter ego taking over? It'd sure be nice. Hortensis Jul 2021 #34
I'm thinking that because bridges are falling down in KY mcar Jul 2021 #46
Mitch did not vote for True Blue American Jul 2021 #52
Just wait for the Slobfather to unload on MoscowMitch malaise Jul 2021 #7
+1 2naSalit Jul 2021 #47
This is the only way McConnell can give TFG a middle finger dreamland Jul 2021 #8
Translation: This is the only way McConnell can give Trump a middle finger NurseJackie Jul 2021 #28
TFG wanted an infrastructure plan? GoodRaisin Jul 2021 #35
He did want it, to hand out contracts to moonscape Jul 2021 #43
He's too lazy to work for anything. Announcing 'infrastructure GoodRaisin Jul 2021 #54
Agree! True Blue American Jul 2021 #59
Happy but distrustful to the max. lark Jul 2021 #9
Just remember: Republicans DON'T want to help you. calimary Jul 2021 #57
A wise old French guy I used to work with once told me DFW Jul 2021 #10
I hope that Pelosi will bring it to a vote question everything Jul 2021 #13
They're stuck on "burn it all down!" Or some posturing media meme 🙄 idk Budi Jul 2021 #15
Excellent question KS Toronado Jul 2021 #17
From what Schumer said after the vote, it Deminpenn Jul 2021 #19
Good. Stay all damned weekend & late nights if it has to be, before Aug recess. Budi Jul 2021 #23
Pelosi's strategy is the smart strategy, and the only path to Build Back Better Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #31
I am not sure that poster understands there are two bills being talked about questionseverything Jul 2021 #55
"leftists"? aocommunalpunch Jul 2021 #41
All spring people were saying Biden couldn't do it. Where are they now? George II Jul 2021 #16
I'm here posting this article. I certainly doubted that comradebillyboy Jul 2021 #22
Biden has leverage dlk Jul 2021 #18
I believe McConnell was sending a message to Trump. patphil Jul 2021 #24
And if Pelosi doesn't bring it up for a vote, CrispyQ Jul 2021 #49
And I don't mean to downplay Joe Biden's role Tomconroy Jul 2021 #30
McConnell's vote was surprising to me as well. Maybe this is a sign he is seeing GoodRaisin Jul 2021 #36
McConnell is a roach. Just when you think you have him cornered NCjack Jul 2021 #37
I believe McConnell & Repubs happy feet Jul 2021 #38
is this an insidious way to bring the bill to a vote only to just strike it down after ? dsp3000 Jul 2021 #39
Maybe this is McConnell flipping the bird to TFG. CrispyQ Jul 2021 #48
Sinema opposes it! StClone Jul 2021 #50
And I argued that Infrastructure was something we WOULD see bipartisan support WarGamer Jul 2021 #56
Meanwhile Mitch has the lower flipper Blue Owl Jul 2021 #58
Mitch did not have a choice. 17 Senators went True Blue American Jul 2021 #60

mucifer

(23,486 posts)
1. They know their voters want infrastructure. They will campaign for their support of
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:36 AM
Jul 2021

this bill and against the bigger bill for the 2022 election and it might work for them.

You know because democrats are big spending liberals who don't want anyone to work.



comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
2. If this thing gets through the Senate and the House
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:39 AM
Jul 2021

it will be a major political victory for Biden. With each passing day I continue to be amazed at Biden's political skills.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. K & R !! Go ahead. Vote against it at your own political peril
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:40 AM
Jul 2021

Fools.

Biden, Pelosi, Schumer et al, dragged this bill thru the threats & bullying and this passage, tho partial, advances the goal set out just 6 months ago.

This vote is a culmination of all the years of experience in their arsenal.

On to the 3.5 billion final finish line.

Big Thank you, much trust & respect to our brilliant savy Democrats 💙



And WTEVER F is this populist postering about:

"And many progressive Democrats are furious and dropping veiled threats of voting against the bill."

My fking god. Grow up. 🙄

Sibelius Fan

(24,392 posts)
6. So, you're buying the anti-progressive media narrative?
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:51 AM
Jul 2021

Rs/conservative Ds get a pass because, well, we expect them to block D legislation, but the progressives express concerns and they suddenly need to grow up?

George II

(67,782 posts)
40. Not to speak for someone else, but I think she's "buying" the great progress against long odds....
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:58 AM
Jul 2021

....that "establishment" Democrats made in this bill and all throughout the spring.

So-called "anti-progressive media narrative" notwithstanding, what do the progressives have on their lists of accomplishments this session or, for that matter, the previous session?

I say it all the time, the root of the word "progressive" is "progress", and from what we've seen the last several months it looks like President Biden, Majority Leader Schumer, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi are the TRUE progressives.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
20. I know! Politicians who engage in that type of grandstanding, showboating are generally WEAK...
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:26 AM
Jul 2021
"And many progressive Democrats are furious and dropping veiled threats of voting against the bill."
My fking god. Grow up. 🙄
I know! Politicians who engage in that type of grandstanding, showboating are generally WEAK and ineffective politicians. I've seen it all my life. It never changes. Those politicians who DO the least are the ones who TALK the loudest. Those who have accomplished NOTHING are the ones who threaten EVERYTHING.

All I'm trying to say is that politicians need to be MORE concerned about their constituents and our country and LESS concerned themselves, their fundraising efforts, their twitter feed, the number of followers they have, making sensational headlines, etc.
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
21. K & R THIS ⬆️
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:32 AM
Jul 2021
"Those politicians who DO the least are the ones who TALK the loudest. Those who have accomplished NOTHING are the ones who threaten EVERYTHING."

Why do the loudest have such a miserable congressional record?

Money & ME-dia

Thanks NurseJackie.
Nailed it.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
29. Pelosi is aligned with the Progressive Caucus on infrastructure, and rightly so.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:56 AM
Jul 2021

Pelosi, Schumer and The progressives know that if they don’t block the bipartisan bill until the reconciliation bill passes, Manchin and Sinema, along with the GOP, will sabotage the reconciliation bill, and the bipartisan bill will end up being whittled down to a $350 billion piece of shit bill that only funds bridge and road repair and steals funding from COVID relief money.

Pelosi’s strategy is the smart strategy, thinking big, not settling for whatever Mitch will consent to, and the progressive caucus is on the right track to support her strategy.

Sinema is whining about the $3.5T price tag being too big, but when the time comes, she won’t be comfortable being the lone Democrat to kill the reconciliation bill.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
32. Sinema & the naysayers became irrelevant in the recent passage.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:06 AM
Jul 2021

17 Republucans made Sinema's grandstanding irrelevant.

She's got nothing left.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
33. You are correct- if the bipartisan bill isn't passed in house until Senate passes reconciliation
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:08 AM
Jul 2021

Otherwise, Sinema will grandstand and hold the reconciliation bill hostage.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
5. I think Mcconnell has decided he doesn't want Joe Biden
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:45 AM
Jul 2021

To be a failure the way he wanted Obama to fail. He knows the GOP will nominate Trump in 2024. And he hates Trump.

wnylib

(21,345 posts)
25. Or maybe, as he sees TFG facing so many
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:41 AM
Jul 2021

investigations, including the House select committee, he also sees Trump's downfall coming and feels freed to take actions that he will sell as a Republican "victory" over Biden.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. :) McConnell's alter ego taking over? It'd sure be nice.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jul 2021

But white conservative Christian male domination is currently on life support. And that of the new kleptocracy built with it. Unless they can gain and solidify power that elections can't take away.

The battle for power, is enormous, and desperate. I believe these Republican decisions have to be seen in that context. That and of the extremism they've degenerated to, with its required irrational fear of Democrats/liberalism and inevitable ruthlessness and crazy incompetence. Certainly the authoritarian trumpist base, religious right, white power groups, culture wars zealots, many RW plutocrats, etc, are still in and demanding victory.

If that's the case, the existential need to gain Republican control of government in 2022 and 2024 still underlies all their decisions.


mcar

(42,278 posts)
46. I'm thinking that because bridges are falling down in KY
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 12:04 PM
Jul 2021

and money is going to be spent on infrastructure with or without him, he wanted to make sure his state gets a piece of the pie.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
52. Mitch did not vote for
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:19 PM
Jul 2021

The last bill. Biden caught him bragging about it, laughed at him for bragging about a bill he did not vote for. Mitch knows he is out numbered.

dreamland

(964 posts)
8. This is the only way McConnell can give TFG a middle finger
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:05 AM
Jul 2021

TFG wanted an infrastructure plan passed so badly but didn't get it. Subtle ways to show TFG he's a loser.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
43. He did want it, to hand out contracts to
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 12:00 PM
Jul 2021

his corrupt peeps. Anywhere there is big $$ he figures out how to get in on the action.

The problem is, he doesn’t actually work to get anything done. He doesn’t know how to.

GoodRaisin

(8,908 posts)
54. He's too lazy to work for anything. Announcing 'infrastructure
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:40 PM
Jul 2021

week" on his way out to a round of golf was as much work as he was ever going to do for his peeps. He didn't give a shit about them, infrastructure, or anything else. He was just one big bag of wind that cared only about how much he could grift for himself. There has never been a more flawed being in human history.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
59. Agree!
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 05:03 AM
Jul 2021

Trump is not capable of negotiating. And his threats are useless now.

Shows the difference between an experienced person who knows how and has the experience to do so.

lark

(23,065 posts)
9. Happy but distrustful to the max.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:07 AM
Jul 2021

R's don't want the ads saying McConnell was against building the road, bridge etc. so they voted for it for PR reasons and will vote against it when it's real. They can say for real, I voted for it, but knowing in their heart they were always against anything that helps the American working class/poor. It's all just a destructomat game with them and we are what they want to destroy and steal all our little bits of $$.

calimary

(81,125 posts)
57. Just remember: Republicans DON'T want to help you.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 08:26 PM
Jul 2021

Republicans don’t want to help ANYBODY. They’re only there to be on the take, in other words, helping themselves.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
10. A wise old French guy I used to work with once told me
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:10 AM
Jul 2021

„Il ne faut jamais pisser contre le vent.“

„You should never piss into the wind.“

Maybe Moscow Mitch got tired of having to change his trousers so often.

question everything

(47,437 posts)
13. I hope that Pelosi will bring it to a vote
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:12 AM
Jul 2021

We need ro start working on roads and bridges with no strings attached. If the leftists will stall it then we will be the obstructionists and bye bye keeping the House in 2022.

Instead of us showing crumbling bridges that the R’s block from repairing, they will do it, pointing the finger at us.

Do we want to get things done, or do we want to score points?

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
15. They're stuck on "burn it all down!" Or some posturing media meme 🙄 idk
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:19 AM
Jul 2021

Be part of making this country a better place or don't.
Choice is theirs!



Deminpenn

(15,265 posts)
19. From what Schumer said after the vote, it
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:23 AM
Jul 2021

seems he also wants the bigger Dem-only reconcilliation bill to be passed before Aug recess begins.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
23. Good. Stay all damned weekend & late nights if it has to be, before Aug recess.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:36 AM
Jul 2021

Taxpayers foot the bill. Paychecks to premiun health care to retirement & investments.

Do your f'ing job for this country or get out.

Thanks Schumer.
Keep them their till it's done. Please.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
31. Pelosi's strategy is the smart strategy, and the only path to Build Back Better
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:04 AM
Jul 2021

You seem to want any bill passed, no matter how shitty. Pelosi and the Progressives know that if they vote on the bipartisan bill first, Manchin, Sinema and Mitch will sabotage reconciliation, and the bipartisan bill will end up being a minimal roads and bridge repair only bill that steals its funding from COVID relief money- count on it.

Democrats are thinking big, and Progressives are promoting progress towards a better future. Biden has made it clear that he won’t capitulate on Infrastructure the way the ACA was weakened in 2009.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
55. I am not sure that poster understands there are two bills being talked about
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 07:14 PM
Jul 2021

Post 15 and 23 seem to be opposite view points

aocommunalpunch

(4,233 posts)
41. "leftists"?
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:58 AM
Jul 2021

What nicknames take hold for the opposite? Or are they just good Democrats, no matter how much of our own agenda they hold hostage?

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
22. I'm here posting this article. I certainly doubted that
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:34 AM
Jul 2021

the bi-partisan infrastructure could get 60, much less 67 votes in the Senate. But seeing is believing. Biden truly is a masterful politician.

patphil

(6,150 posts)
24. I believe McConnell was sending a message to Trump.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jul 2021

He was letting him know that McConnell was the Republican in charge in the Senate, not Trump.
This was a low cost way for McConnell to do it. The Republicans could gain some credit for the $550 billion infrastructure package, which is very popular with all Americans, and is a neutral bill that doesn't need to be polarized as Republicans vs Democrats.
His best path was to bring it through as a bi-partisan effort.
It's a win for McConnell, and a defeat for Trump.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
49. And if Pelosi doesn't bring it up for a vote,
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jul 2021

or it doesn't pass in the House because progressive dems want climate change addressed, McConnell & the media will blame the dems for not getting America's old bridges updated & repaired.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
30. And I don't mean to downplay Joe Biden's role
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:02 AM
Jul 2021

In my post 5.
Biden kept encouraging the bipartisan talks when many had given up. He had one of his aids constantly talking to both sides. It is masterful legislating!

GoodRaisin

(8,908 posts)
36. McConnell's vote was surprising to me as well. Maybe this is a sign he is seeing
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:32 AM
Jul 2021

that he will not be able to peel away enough R votes when the cloture vote takes place. My fingers are crossed.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
37. McConnell is a roach. Just when you think you have him cornered
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:39 AM
Jul 2021

and lined up to stomp him, he jumps on your shoe and runs up your leg.

If you want the upper-hand on a roach, you have to build a roach trap. This bill is not a trap.

happy feet

(864 posts)
38. I believe McConnell & Repubs
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:46 AM
Jul 2021

timed their agreement to get the Jan 6 hearings off the front page today to squelch the continuing coverage which exposed them for selfish, power hungry, Big Lie, hypocritical politicians they are. and what do you know? the press fell for it and it worked like a charm. Lack of foresight on Biden's part.

dsp3000

(482 posts)
39. is this an insidious way to bring the bill to a vote only to just strike it down after ?
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:50 AM
Jul 2021

after both sides negotiate and so on. would all 17 still agree? or will they all band together and strike it down and blame the democrats?

WarGamer

(12,358 posts)
56. And I argued that Infrastructure was something we WOULD see bipartisan support
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 07:18 PM
Jul 2021

It's a win-win for the GOP (in their minds)

They get to tag more "debt" onto the opposition and bring home the bacon for the Home States.

And note: The Bipartisan pkg kills the broader reconciliation Bill which SandersCo loves.

So in reality, this Infrastructure is a "Moderates" Pkg.

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