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https://politicalwire.com/2021/07/29/biden-gains-the-upper-hand-on-mitch-mcconnell/#disqus_threadThe bipartisan infrastructure deal cleared a key Senate procedural vote last night by 67 to 32. Its surprising the bill attracted 17 Republican votes, but its even more surprising that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) voted for the bill.
Quite a few people including me were convinced that no bipartisan deal was possible. McConnell would never strike a deal, as Jonathan Bernstein explains our logic, as long as the out-party opposes any bill it will automatically be seen as controversial, lose popularity and therefore fail to deliver any electoral rewards for the presidents party.
Of course, last nights vote does not mean the deal is done. Speaker Nancy Pelosi wont even bring up the bipartisan bill for a vote until the Senate passes a broader $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill. And many progressive Democrats are furious and dropping veiled threats of voting against the bill.
I never thought this was remotely possible. I'm pleasantly surprised. Good job Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden.
mucifer
(23,486 posts)this bill and against the bigger bill for the 2022 election and it might work for them.
You know because democrats are big spending liberals who don't want anyone to work.
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)it will be a major political victory for Biden. With each passing day I continue to be amazed at Biden's political skills.
mucifer
(23,486 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Fools.
Biden, Pelosi, Schumer et al, dragged this bill thru the threats & bullying and this passage, tho partial, advances the goal set out just 6 months ago.
This vote is a culmination of all the years of experience in their arsenal.
On to the 3.5 billion final finish line.
Big Thank you, much trust & respect to our brilliant savy Democrats 💙
And WTEVER F is this populist postering about:
"And many progressive Democrats are furious and dropping veiled threats of voting against the bill."
My fking god. Grow up. 🙄
Sibelius Fan
(24,392 posts)Rs/conservative Ds get a pass because, well, we expect them to block D legislation, but the progressives express concerns and they suddenly need to grow up?
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Stomp your feet somewhere else.
George II
(67,782 posts)....that "establishment" Democrats made in this bill and all throughout the spring.
So-called "anti-progressive media narrative" notwithstanding, what do the progressives have on their lists of accomplishments this session or, for that matter, the previous session?
I say it all the time, the root of the word "progressive" is "progress", and from what we've seen the last several months it looks like President Biden, Majority Leader Schumer, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi are the TRUE progressives.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)My fking god. Grow up. 🙄
All I'm trying to say is that politicians need to be MORE concerned about their constituents and our country and LESS concerned themselves, their fundraising efforts, their twitter feed, the number of followers they have, making sensational headlines, etc.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Why do the loudest have such a miserable congressional record?
Money & ME-dia
Thanks NurseJackie.
Nailed it.
George II
(67,782 posts)What bills have they gotten passed?
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Jim Jordan? All mouth, no accomplishments except to rant, rave and scream.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)Pelosi, Schumer and The progressives know that if they dont block the bipartisan bill until the reconciliation bill passes, Manchin and Sinema, along with the GOP, will sabotage the reconciliation bill, and the bipartisan bill will end up being whittled down to a $350 billion piece of shit bill that only funds bridge and road repair and steals funding from COVID relief money.
Pelosis strategy is the smart strategy, thinking big, not settling for whatever Mitch will consent to, and the progressive caucus is on the right track to support her strategy.
Sinema is whining about the $3.5T price tag being too big, but when the time comes, she wont be comfortable being the lone Democrat to kill the reconciliation bill.
Budi
(15,325 posts)17 Republucans made Sinema's grandstanding irrelevant.
She's got nothing left.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)Otherwise, Sinema will grandstand and hold the reconciliation bill hostage.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)To be a failure the way he wanted Obama to fail. He knows the GOP will nominate Trump in 2024. And he hates Trump.
TxGuitar
(4,180 posts)wnylib
(21,345 posts)investigations, including the House select committee, he also sees Trump's downfall coming and feels freed to take actions that he will sell as a Republican "victory" over Biden.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But white conservative Christian male domination is currently on life support. And that of the new kleptocracy built with it. Unless they can gain and solidify power that elections can't take away.
The battle for power, is enormous, and desperate. I believe these Republican decisions have to be seen in that context. That and of the extremism they've degenerated to, with its required irrational fear of Democrats/liberalism and inevitable ruthlessness and crazy incompetence. Certainly the authoritarian trumpist base, religious right, white power groups, culture wars zealots, many RW plutocrats, etc, are still in and demanding victory.
If that's the case, the existential need to gain Republican control of government in 2022 and 2024 still underlies all their decisions.
mcar
(42,278 posts)and money is going to be spent on infrastructure with or without him, he wanted to make sure his state gets a piece of the pie.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)The last bill. Biden caught him bragging about it, laughed at him for bragging about a bill he did not vote for. Mitch knows he is out numbered.
malaise
(268,713 posts)and his wife - the fun is yet to come
dreamland
(964 posts)TFG wanted an infrastructure plan passed so badly but didn't get it. Subtle ways to show TFG he's a loser.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)GoodRaisin
(8,908 posts)No. He just wanted to talk about it. Talk is all he was about.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)his corrupt peeps. Anywhere there is big $$ he figures out how to get in on the action.
The problem is, he doesnt actually work to get anything done. He doesnt know how to.
GoodRaisin
(8,908 posts)week" on his way out to a round of golf was as much work as he was ever going to do for his peeps. He didn't give a shit about them, infrastructure, or anything else. He was just one big bag of wind that cared only about how much he could grift for himself. There has never been a more flawed being in human history.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Trump is not capable of negotiating. And his threats are useless now.
Shows the difference between an experienced person who knows how and has the experience to do so.
lark
(23,065 posts)R's don't want the ads saying McConnell was against building the road, bridge etc. so they voted for it for PR reasons and will vote against it when it's real. They can say for real, I voted for it, but knowing in their heart they were always against anything that helps the American working class/poor. It's all just a destructomat game with them and we are what they want to destroy and steal all our little bits of $$.
calimary
(81,125 posts)Republicans dont want to help ANYBODY. Theyre only there to be on the take, in other words, helping themselves.
DFW
(54,302 posts)Il ne faut jamais pisser contre le vent.
You should never piss into the wind.
Maybe Moscow Mitch got tired of having to change his trousers so often.
question everything
(47,437 posts)We need ro start working on roads and bridges with no strings attached. If the leftists will stall it then we will be the obstructionists and bye bye keeping the House in 2022.
Instead of us showing crumbling bridges that the Rs block from repairing, they will do it, pointing the finger at us.
Do we want to get things done, or do we want to score points?
Budi
(15,325 posts)Be part of making this country a better place or don't.
Choice is theirs!
KS Toronado
(17,155 posts)Deminpenn
(15,265 posts)seems he also wants the bigger Dem-only reconcilliation bill to be passed before Aug recess begins.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Taxpayers foot the bill. Paychecks to premiun health care to retirement & investments.
Do your f'ing job for this country or get out.
Thanks Schumer.
Keep them their till it's done. Please.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)You seem to want any bill passed, no matter how shitty. Pelosi and the Progressives know that if they vote on the bipartisan bill first, Manchin, Sinema and Mitch will sabotage reconciliation, and the bipartisan bill will end up being a minimal roads and bridge repair only bill that steals its funding from COVID relief money- count on it.
Democrats are thinking big, and Progressives are promoting progress towards a better future. Biden has made it clear that he wont capitulate on Infrastructure the way the ACA was weakened in 2009.
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)Post 15 and 23 seem to be opposite view points
aocommunalpunch
(4,233 posts)What nicknames take hold for the opposite? Or are they just good Democrats, no matter how much of our own agenda they hold hostage?
George II
(67,782 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)the bi-partisan infrastructure could get 60, much less 67 votes in the Senate. But seeing is believing. Biden truly is a masterful politician.
dlk
(11,514 posts)There was that criminal referral of Elaine Chao to DOJ.
patphil
(6,150 posts)He was letting him know that McConnell was the Republican in charge in the Senate, not Trump.
This was a low cost way for McConnell to do it. The Republicans could gain some credit for the $550 billion infrastructure package, which is very popular with all Americans, and is a neutral bill that doesn't need to be polarized as Republicans vs Democrats.
His best path was to bring it through as a bi-partisan effort.
It's a win for McConnell, and a defeat for Trump.
CrispyQ
(36,424 posts)or it doesn't pass in the House because progressive dems want climate change addressed, McConnell & the media will blame the dems for not getting America's old bridges updated & repaired.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)In my post 5.
Biden kept encouraging the bipartisan talks when many had given up. He had one of his aids constantly talking to both sides. It is masterful legislating!
GoodRaisin
(8,908 posts)that he will not be able to peel away enough R votes when the cloture vote takes place. My fingers are crossed.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)and lined up to stomp him, he jumps on your shoe and runs up your leg.
If you want the upper-hand on a roach, you have to build a roach trap. This bill is not a trap.
happy feet
(864 posts)timed their agreement to get the Jan 6 hearings off the front page today to squelch the continuing coverage which exposed them for selfish, power hungry, Big Lie, hypocritical politicians they are. and what do you know? the press fell for it and it worked like a charm. Lack of foresight on Biden's part.
dsp3000
(482 posts)after both sides negotiate and so on. would all 17 still agree? or will they all band together and strike it down and blame the democrats?
CrispyQ
(36,424 posts)Stranger things have happened.
StClone
(11,682 posts)WarGamer
(12,358 posts)It's a win-win for the GOP (in their minds)
They get to tag more "debt" onto the opposition and bring home the bacon for the Home States.
And note: The Bipartisan pkg kills the broader reconciliation Bill which SandersCo loves.
So in reality, this Infrastructure is a "Moderates" Pkg.
Blue Owl
(50,271 posts)True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Around or through him.