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applegrove

(118,473 posts)
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:02 PM Jul 2021

Delta Variant Spreads as Easily as Chickenpox

Delta Variant Spreads as Easily as Chickenpox

July 29, 2021 at 9:10 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 58 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/07/29/delta-variant-spreads-as-easily-as-chickenpox/

"SNIP.....

An internal CDC document says “the delta variant of the coronavirus appears to cause more severe illness than earlier variants and spreads as easily as chickenpox,” the Washington Post reports.

“The document strikes an urgent note, revealing the agency knows it must revamp its public messaging to emphasize vaccination as the best defense against a variant so contagious that it acts almost like a different novel virus, leaping from target to target more swiftly than Ebola or the common cold.”

.....SNIP"

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Delta Variant Spreads as Easily as Chickenpox (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2021 OP
Therefore an R0 of 10-12, roughly five times the original model Strelnikov_ Jul 2021 #1
Everyone used to get chicken pox over time, before the vaccine. Over years, applegrove Jul 2021 #2
Yep. This is a whole new shit sandwich. Strelnikov_ Jul 2021 #4
I just looked it up. Marius25 Jul 2021 #14
Hmmm. I don't remember chickenpox spreading all marybourg Jul 2021 #3
It was rare for someone to make it out of childhood w/out having had chicken applegrove Jul 2021 #5
But parents had to ensure their kids got it, by taking advantage marybourg Jul 2021 #7
I got it first greenjar_01 Jul 2021 #10
I actually made it through childhood w/ out coming down w/ it. smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #9
You obviously had strong immunity as a kid. We did too. Plus mom being a doctor would applegrove Jul 2021 #12
Pretty much my whole elementary school class got chicken pox in '78 Withywindle Jul 2021 #20
Here's the dirty secret about "chicken pox parties" haele Jul 2021 #13
I had chicken pox as a kid. Then i had shingles as a teen. It was a organic applegrove Jul 2021 #21
Anti-vaxx crowds hears this and thinks: oh so, COVID parties? underpants Jul 2021 #6
I think they already came up with that one, back when it first started. smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #11
Next shoe to drop will be CDC backtracking on the need for a booster shot crimycarny Jul 2021 #8
Hope they get their head connected to their ass on this boy howdy quick Strelnikov_ Jul 2021 #16
Israel will begin booster shots this Sunday for those over 60 womanofthehills Jul 2021 #17
I just saw that crimycarny Jul 2021 #18
Thatll be fun in a month when we put 50 million kids back in classrooms... Volaris Jul 2021 #15
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2021 #19
And many won't even have masks requirements. LisaL Jul 2021 #22

applegrove

(118,473 posts)
2. Everyone used to get chicken pox over time, before the vaccine. Over years,
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:29 PM
Jul 2021

every single person got it.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
4. Yep. This is a whole new shit sandwich.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:34 PM
Jul 2021

Considering the refusal by the GOP to allow any kind of mitigation (masks, closures, etc.), prepare for the medical system to be overwhelmed in many areas of the country.

By early Oct. we are going to be in a world of hurt.
 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
14. I just looked it up.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:34 PM
Jul 2021

That's the second highest R0 rate of major infectious diseases. The only disease more infectious is Measles.

marybourg

(12,584 posts)
3. Hmmm. I don't remember chickenpox spreading all
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:34 PM
Jul 2021

that easily. Back before the vaxx, we sometimes had to work pretty hard to inoculate our kids against chickenpox by purposely exposing them to other kids with it. I had to send my daughter to sleep with her babysitter. It took 3 such sleepovers before she came down with a mild case. She then gave it to her younger sister who was allowed to play with her in hopes of innoculating her.

Now, measles, that’s a different story. I don’t remember anyone having to purposely expose their kids to measles. Everyone got measles naturally, unless you lived in a very isolated place. But if you didn’t get it as a child, you could be in big trouble as an adult. To think of what parents had to go through to protect their children from disease, and now we have malevolent nincompoops refusing life- saving vaccinations.

applegrove

(118,473 posts)
5. It was rare for someone to make it out of childhood w/out having had chicken
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:41 PM
Jul 2021

pox. So over years almost every child got it. That would be 1 in 10. Which is a huge percentage every year. If Delta is that bad god help us.

marybourg

(12,584 posts)
7. But parents had to ensure their kids got it, by taking advantage
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:44 PM
Jul 2021

of opportunities to expose them to it. Otherwise they might reach adulthood without having been innoculated to it.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
10. I got it first
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:19 PM
Jul 2021

Siblings were made to sleep in the room with me.

They had it within two days.

This was circa 1984-85.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. I actually made it through childhood w/ out coming down w/ it.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:19 PM
Jul 2021

All my siblings and friends had it and my parents just decided to expose me just to get the inevitable over with, but I never came down with it. I had like 2 or 3 little itchy bumps and that was it. So maybe that was CP, but it was such a mild case so as to be almost non-existent.

applegrove

(118,473 posts)
12. You obviously had strong immunity as a kid. We did too. Plus mom being a doctor would
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:30 PM
Jul 2021

rarely let us stay home from school. That would not go over well these days. I can barely remember having chicken pox. I don't know how old I was.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
20. Pretty much my whole elementary school class got chicken pox in '78
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:17 AM
Jul 2021

The school literally closed for a week because there were almost no students who didn't have it!

It was miserable. I was scratching and crying and bleeding and not sleeping at all for a whole week. AND because I had chickenpox, I'm at risk for shingles now. Fuck that.

haele

(12,637 posts)
13. Here's the dirty secret about "chicken pox parties"
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:32 PM
Jul 2021

Parents would send all the kids out for chicken pox parties to try to get all the kids in the family to be sick at the same time as young as possible, so as to reduce the chance of one of them getting the pox if one hadn't gotten it yet, or if they had gotten it, they won't get shingles later on. The older siblings typically suffered worse in large families.
Subsequent kids would not go to these parties, and would often be kept out of school to ensure that "one time" run through the family would be it.

Chicken pox is worse the older you are, it could be fatal for an adult.

I had a mild case that lasted 3 days; my younger brother was down for two weeks.

If delta COVID is as contagious as chicken pox, a "COVID" party could be fatal to 1 in 20 participants.


Haele

applegrove

(118,473 posts)
21. I had chicken pox as a kid. Then i had shingles as a teen. It was a organic
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 03:55 PM
Jul 2021

brick like rash on the side of my abdomen that hurt when I brushed my had over it lightly. So I think you can get both.

underpants

(182,599 posts)
6. Anti-vaxx crowds hears this and thinks: oh so, COVID parties?
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 10:43 PM
Jul 2021

They’ve done that with chickenpox and measles.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. I think they already came up with that one, back when it first started.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:21 PM
Jul 2021

I seem to remember some idiots having "Covid parties" back in the earlier days of the pandemic. Idiots.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
8. Next shoe to drop will be CDC backtracking on the need for a booster shot
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:03 PM
Jul 2021

I'm not surprised to hear that the Delta variant is more contagious than originally thought as well as more serious. The anecdotal stories out there of so many breakthrough infections--people talking about every member of their family getting infected even though all are vaccinated, or everyone in an office being infected, including those vaccinated--it just seems there were a lot more breakout infections than "rare". I think symptoms are more severe in both vaccinated and unvaccinated too. It's just that if you are vaccinated you will avoid the hospital, and if you aren't vaccinated then god help you.

I can guarantee you that the CDC will reverse their initial stance that booster shots aren't needed. I think they know already that booster shots are needed but are holding back out of concern that there won't be enough shots for those still unvaccinated. I say screw that...if people aren't going to get the vaccine don't punish those who did the right thing and want to remain protected.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
16. Hope they get their head connected to their ass on this boy howdy quick
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:57 PM
Jul 2021

Iowa is about to throw out 200k+ doses at the end of August.

That could be a lot of booster.

womanofthehills

(8,657 posts)
17. Israel will begin booster shots this Sunday for those over 60
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:41 AM
Jul 2021

Pfizer just said their vaccines last about 6 months so this is necessary.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
18. I just saw that
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 02:54 AM
Jul 2021

I got my 2nd shot 2/26/2021, so I’m right at the 6 month mark. Will be 62 in August too.

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