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Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:15 AM

J.D. Vance goes crazier

J.D. Vance Tells Tucker Carlson The Quiet Part Out Loud: He Wants A ‘Healthy Ruling Class’

Controversial right-wing Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance bashed Democrats as miserable “childless cat ladies” who don’t serve a “healthy ruling class,” he told Tucker Carlson on Fox News.

The Republican candidate — a venture capitalist and author of “Hillbilly Elegy” — attacked Democrats who don’t have children because, he claimed, “they don’t have a stake” in the system, he explained to Carlson on Thursday night. Vance, 36, who has been married seven years, has two children.

“If we want a healthy ruling class in this country, we should invest more, we should vote more, we should support more people who actually have kids,” Vance told Carlson.

He singled out Vice President Kamala Harris (who has two stepchildren), Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

Both Ocasio-Cortez, 31, and Buttigieg, 39, rather famously have dogs, not cats, and Buttigieg isn’t a lady. Buttigieg’s husband, Chasten Buttigieg, on Monday slammed Vance’s earlier comments attacking the “childless left” for being heartless and pointed out that the men are currently seeking to adopt a child.
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source: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jd-vance-ocasio-cortez-pete-buttigieg-childless-left-demoracts-tucker-carlson-fox_n_61047084e4b0048f361d5fff

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Reply J.D. Vance goes crazier (Original post)
SharonClark Jul 31 OP
Chin music Jul 31 #1
gordianot Jul 31 #7
paleotn Jul 31 #12
marble falls Jul 31 #2
jimfields33 Jul 31 #4
flying_wahini Jul 31 #8
marble falls Jul 31 #13
paleotn Jul 31 #14
J_William_Ryan Jul 31 #3
Mme. Defarge Jul 31 #5
Wounded Bear Jul 31 #6
no_hypocrisy Jul 31 #9
90-percent Jul 31 #44
Zorro Jul 31 #10
paleotn Jul 31 #11
90-percent Jul 31 #45
demigoddess Jul 31 #52
Wingus Dingus Jul 31 #15
usaf-vet Jul 31 #30
SouthBayDem Jul 31 #48
mopinko Jul 31 #16
aggiesal Jul 31 #36
mopinko Jul 31 #37
aggiesal Jul 31 #40
mopinko Jul 31 #41
Maru Kitteh Jul 31 #17
CTyankee Jul 31 #18
mopinko Jul 31 #38
CTyankee Jul 31 #51
Firestorm49 Jul 31 #19
world wide wally Jul 31 #20
BlueStater Jul 31 #31
Celerity Jul 31 #46
appalachiablue Jul 31 #21
KS Toronado Jul 31 #22
sarchasm Jul 31 #23
jaxexpat Jul 31 #29
moreland01 Jul 31 #24
ck4829 Jul 31 #47
plimsoll Jul 31 #25
ck4829 Jul 31 #26
Paladin Jul 31 #27
colorado_ufo Jul 31 #28
dsc Jul 31 #32
niyad Jul 31 #33
Traildogbob Jul 31 #34
Iggo Jul 31 #35
TNNurse Jul 31 #39
llmart Jul 31 #42
Captain Zero Jul 31 #43
Retrograde Jul 31 #49
lunatica Jul 31 #50
FakeNoose Aug 1 #53

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Response to Chin music (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:34 AM

7. Propped up by the uneducated with anger issues.

With more than a little blatant white supremest “Hillbilly” neo confederate spin. The only reason to become educated is to dominate your ignorant relatives.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:45 AM

12. Did he steal that from a Hitler or Mussolini speech?

Maybe it's just me, but that's got a strong fascist stench to it. Like right out of 1934.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:19 AM

2. At two kids, Vance doesn't have much stake in the system, either.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:23 AM

4. My thought as well.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:39 AM

8. Probably not even his.... LOL!

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:46 AM

13. You mean a "grudge" pregnancy? ...

Somebody "had it in" for him?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:48 AM

14. Correct. Just breeding replacements doesn't count if his intent is to reverse the demographic tide.

Seems he's trying to tap into that undercurrent of white "don't replace me!" angst. I don't think he's very good at it yet.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:20 AM

3. The 'childless left'

There is clearly no end to rightwing idiocy and lies.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:24 AM

5. Childless!

That’s strike 3! The trifecta! No longer merely a crazy cat lady.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:31 AM

6. Gee, I thought we booted the "ruling class" out 240 years ago...

don't want them back, thank you very much.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:40 AM

9. Hey J.D.! Hitler & the Third Reich PAID women to have babies!

The more babies, the more Deutschmarks.

And color me "selfish" as I am proudly "childless". I practiced safe sex when I was fertile.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:19 PM

44. kinda like a puppy farm

except Adolph needed replacements for the millions of German Soldiers his war wasted.

Wanda Sykes made an excellent joke about Adolph; "The only good thing about Hitler is he killed Hitler."

-90% Jimmy

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:42 AM

10. Vance's mother should have gone childless

Same with her parents, from the way he portrayed her.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:43 AM

11. That makes absolutely no sense....

Invest in what? Neo-fascist rants? And the support people with kids bit. Are you kidding? More could be done, but have you ever look at the US tax code, Jim Bob? Or is this an oblique assault on Roe? More people voting? Oh, I get it. More of the RIGHT people voting. Either that or he's forgotten his Frank Luntz. A ruling class? Really? Really? Makes you wonder what they're teaching hillbillies like Vance at Yale. Then again, maybe it's his lack of genetic diversity talking.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:22 PM

45. good ole Frank Luntz

The father of modern mis/dis information. In a fair fight he'd blow Joseph Goebbels doors off!

-90% Jimmy

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Response to paleotn (Reply #11)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 03:13 PM

52. children to fill the soldier ranks when they have to have an insurrection to

over throw the election results.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:48 AM

15. They need to decide if the left is "childless" or welfare queens and immigrants

having too many babies they can't afford. Pick a lane, asshole.

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Response to Wingus Dingus (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:26 PM

30. Or former Congressman Sean Duffy and his wife a last count had eight(8) kids. At last count.

It's been more than a year so who knows. HE must be a shining star in J.D's warped mind and world.

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Response to Wingus Dingus (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 02:27 PM

48. It's about "the right" people having kids

What Vance is saying has a producerist viewpoint, that families should be net "givers" (self sufficient, with good paying jobs) rather than takers (reliant on welfare or government services). Basically a shallow message that sounds good in theory but collapses in practice - who will do the "lower" jobs in a world where everyone were high status in the "all makers" Utopia?

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:54 AM

16. that's cuz the right only supports what affects them directly.

we dont need to have kids to care about kids.
most on the left think there is no such thing as someone else's kids.

the righties are the ones who cry about property taxes when they dont have kids, or they send their kids to private schools or even when their own kids are grown.
i literally have heard wingnuts propose that only people w kids in school pay the school portion of the property tax.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:45 PM

36. You're absolutely correct about RWNJ complaining about their property taxes ...

San Diego County has plenty of RWNJ's and of course some are friends.
In the city of San Diego, it cost around $10K per student per year to educate them.

Every time a school measure or something similar appears on the ballot, I keep hearing from the RW's, "Why should I vote for this, I don't have any kids in school.", or "Why should I vote for this, my kids already graduated."

I always ask them, "Did you attend public schools?". Over 90% will say yes.
I then ask, "Who do you think paid for your education? Do you think your parents could afford $10K per child per year?"
It is time for them to pony up, if not for their kids, at least for their own education.
Everyone owes into the system.

My parents had 8 children. There is no way they would have been able to pay $80K per year.
Public school throughout for myself, included grants for college.
So yes, I understand my responsibility in exchange for what I received from the public school system.
Along with my property taxes, I donate scientific calculators every year towards students that display S.T.E.M capabilities.

Remember public school buses? Now only the students that use them pay for them.
When my daughter was going through her K-12 years, it cost $600 per semester, probably more now.
You think the lower income areas are able to afford this?

Another publicly paid & provided service that's been PROFITIZED.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #36)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:49 PM

37. the worst person i know on this score-

manages a public park.
that's right. she thinks the taxpayers should pay her to teach kids for peanuts, but not schools.
she thinks the money should alllll go to animal shelters.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:02 PM

40. Another Irony Deficient idiot! n/t

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:03 PM

41. yup.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 10:58 AM

17. Vance wants me to support his Ivy-League educated ass?

Um. No.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:09 AM

18. I wish Yale could take back its Law school degree they awarded him.

I have a little list in my head for good Yalies and against bad Yalies.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:49 PM

38. write letters.

yale has a paper, eh?

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Response to mopinko (Reply #38)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 03:11 PM

51. Yep. IIRC it's called the Yale Daily News.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:25 AM

19. No attempt to conceal their racism whatsoever. I never thought I'd see the day.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:32 AM

20. And this guy stands a chance of being elected to the Senate?

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #20)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:35 PM

31. Not based on the polls I've seen.

Though it highly assuming seeing him make a total ass out of himself for nothing.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #31)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:53 PM

46. Do you have links for those polls? I only see one (538 claims the same) for the general so far

Perhaps you are referring to Rethug primary polls.

Here is the only general election one I can find.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-senate-primary-races-were-watching-so-far/

sarah: Yeah, I’d thought the same thing, Alex. But according to the one public-facing poll of the race so far, from the pollster Public Policy Polling, conducted back in March, 71 percent of respondents weren’t sure what their opinion of Vance was! Whereas opinion was much more baked in for Ryan (just 46 percent were not sure), Timken (64 percent not sure) and Mandel (39 percent not sure).

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/ohio/



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_election_in_Ohio#Polling_2



https://314action.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/OhioResults1-GE.pdf







here are some Rethug primary polls





Every poll listed in this entire post was before Vance officially jumped in to the race on July 1st, 2021.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:34 AM

21. J.D., we don't have rulers here, it's

'representatives.' You might want to take some refresher law and polysci undergrad classes.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:36 AM

22. Childless reQublican couples are that way probably because of abortion.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:36 AM

23. Child bearing property owners ONLY ...

… allowed full citizenship with voting rights.

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Response to sarchasm (Reply #23)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:04 PM

29. Whut? No 2/3 vote fowah mah sulaves? Whaah, thets uncivuhlized, ah tell yuh.

Yer not frum 'round heyah ah yuh? Whaah, eyuf iyut wurnt fer mah 2/3
vote prillijids mah kids wooden hayuv no voice et awl iyn theus gummint.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:43 AM

24. What's with the GD litmus test?!?

Now politicians have to be religious, straight AND have kids? JD Vance is a world class asshole! How about saving the planet by not reproducing like rabbits? How about love who the hell you want to love and stay out of my bedroom anyway! How about religion and faith are a private thing that nobody should have to answer for when they run for office?!? How about a freaking lie detector test for the so called "born agains" like George W. Bush and DJT?


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Response to moreland01 (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 02:25 PM

47. And as far as litmus tests go, that is an especially sucky one

I mean; Susan Smith had kids at one point too, nobody is looking to put her in any "ruling class".

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:47 AM

25. 2 things about that bothered me about that

1) Healthy? By what definition. From a mental health perspective I'm really starting to question the mental health of that ruling class. I don't think supporting the causes the right likes means you are mentally ill, but It sure seems like it attracts large numbers of people who are closer to or exceeding clinical levels for sociopathy.
2) You'd think the right would prefer the left to be childless.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:48 AM

26. Disgusting

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 11:51 AM

27. So nice to see this jerk falling to pieces in public. (nt)

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:04 PM

28. I hope and pray that his children

become Democrats.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:38 PM

32. He misspelled fag

we all know that is precisely and exactly what he mean in regards to Secretary Buttigieg (who it should be noted is in the very long process of adopting as part of a gay couple)

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:39 PM

33. Feverishly checking the clock. It must be after 5 somewhere, yes?

Seriously, in what century is that . . .person living? Is he related to the duggars? Part of the "quiverful" movement? Or just plain nuts?

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:40 PM

34. His healthy ruling class

Dropping like flies from Covid. Spawn children to live in “their” poisonous climate ending world, rich in poverty, no health care for those “beautiful” children they pop out. Childless people prefer not to bring children into a world of GQP hell and hate. His “Stake” in a future are his children????More like a stake in their hearts for his fucking greed and willingness to destroy the very planet his children depend on to carry on the wealth. Talk about a need for abortion, children born to ass holes like him should be required to be aborted.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:41 PM

35. "White People."

He didn’t quite say ALL the quiet parts.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 12:53 PM

39. I did not read his book on the advice of people I respect.

Now, I wish Ron Howard and anyone involved in the movie Hillbilly Elegy would apologize for being taken in by his book.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:04 PM

42. There is so much ignorance in this that I don't even know where to begin.

This self-professed "hillbilly" (I thought they didn't like that term) reinforces my belief that even ivy league schools can turn out stupid people.

I read his book and only because I'm from Ohio and I wanted to see what he was all about. At the end I had a WTF attitude toward the premise of his book and his politics. None of it made any sense.

I hope Ohioans don't put him in office, but the way Ohio is going I'm not confident they won't.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 01:16 PM

43. His hillbilly childhood really did mess him up.

Sorry I watched that movie if it earned him any royalties.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 02:55 PM

49. And if AOC did have a child

Vance and his ilk would be slut-shaming her because AFAIK she's not married. I don't know how they'd attack Kamala Harris but I'm sure they'd think of something.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sat Jul 31, 2021, 02:57 PM

50. He obviously watched Idiocracy

and thought it was a historical documentary.

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Response to SharonClark (Original post)

Sun Aug 1, 2021, 10:15 AM

53. Ohio is smarter than this, Ohio deserves better representation than Vance


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