J.D. Vance goes crazier

[SharonClark]

J.D. Vance Tells Tucker Carlson The Quiet Part Out Loud: He Wants A ‘Healthy Ruling Class’

Controversial right-wing Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance bashed Democrats as miserable “childless cat ladies” who don’t serve a “healthy ruling class,” he told Tucker Carlson on Fox News.

The Republican candidate — a venture capitalist and author of “Hillbilly Elegy” — attacked Democrats who don’t have children because, he claimed, “they don’t have a stake” in the system, he explained to Carlson on Thursday night. Vance, 36, who has been married seven years, has two children.

“If we want a healthy ruling class in this country, we should invest more, we should vote more, we should support more people who actually have kids,” Vance told Carlson.

He singled out Vice President Kamala Harris (who has two stepchildren), Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

Both Ocasio-Cortez, 31, and Buttigieg, 39, rather famously have dogs, not cats, and Buttigieg isn’t a lady. Buttigieg’s husband, Chasten Buttigieg, on Monday slammed Vance’s earlier comments attacking the “childless left” for being heartless and pointed out that the men are currently seeking to adopt a child.
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source: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jd-vance-ocasio-cortez-pete-buttigieg-childless-left-demoracts-tucker-carlson-fox_n_61047084e4b0048f361d5fff

[gordianot]

7. Propped up by the uneducated with anger issues.

With more than a little blatant white supremest “Hillbilly” neo confederate spin. The only reason to become educated is to dominate your ignorant relatives.

[paleotn]

12. Did he steal that from a Hitler or Mussolini speech?

Maybe it's just me, but that's got a strong fascist stench to it. Like right out of 1934.

[marble falls]

2. At two kids, Vance doesn't have much stake in the system, either.

[jimfields33]

4. My thought as well.

[flying_wahini]

8. Probably not even his.... LOL!

[marble falls]

13. You mean a "grudge" pregnancy? ...

Somebody "had it in" for him?

[paleotn]

14. Correct. Just breeding replacements doesn't count if his intent is to reverse the demographic tide.

Seems he's trying to tap into that undercurrent of white "don't replace me!" angst. I don't think he's very good at it yet.

[J_William_Ryan]

3. The 'childless left'

There is clearly no end to rightwing idiocy and lies.

[Mme. Defarge]

5. Childless!

That’s strike 3! The trifecta! No longer merely a crazy cat lady.

[Wounded Bear]

6. Gee, I thought we booted the "ruling class" out 240 years ago...

don't want them back, thank you very much.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. Hey J.D.! Hitler & the Third Reich PAID women to have babies!

The more babies, the more Deutschmarks.

And color me "selfish" as I am proudly "childless". I practiced safe sex when I was fertile.

[90-percent]

44. kinda like a puppy farm

except Adolph needed replacements for the millions of German Soldiers his war wasted.

Wanda Sykes made an excellent joke about Adolph; "The only good thing about Hitler is he killed Hitler."

-90% Jimmy

[Zorro]

10. Vance's mother should have gone childless

Same with her parents, from the way he portrayed her.

[paleotn]

11. That makes absolutely no sense....

Invest in what? Neo-fascist rants? And the support people with kids bit. Are you kidding? More could be done, but have you ever look at the US tax code, Jim Bob? Or is this an oblique assault on Roe? More people voting? Oh, I get it. More of the RIGHT people voting. Either that or he's forgotten his Frank Luntz. A ruling class? Really? Really? Makes you wonder what they're teaching hillbillies like Vance at Yale. Then again, maybe it's his lack of genetic diversity talking.

[90-percent]

45. good ole Frank Luntz

The father of modern mis/dis information. In a fair fight he'd blow Joseph Goebbels doors off!

-90% Jimmy

[demigoddess]

52. children to fill the soldier ranks when they have to have an insurrection to

over throw the election results.

[Wingus Dingus]

15. They need to decide if the left is "childless" or welfare queens and immigrants

having too many babies they can't afford. Pick a lane, asshole.

[usaf-vet]

30. Or former Congressman Sean Duffy and his wife a last count had eight(8) kids. At last count.

It's been more than a year so who knows. HE must be a shining star in J.D's warped mind and world.

[SouthBayDem]

48. It's about "the right" people having kids

What Vance is saying has a producerist viewpoint, that families should be net "givers" (self sufficient, with good paying jobs) rather than takers (reliant on welfare or government services). Basically a shallow message that sounds good in theory but collapses in practice - who will do the "lower" jobs in a world where everyone were high status in the "all makers" Utopia?

[mopinko]

16. that's cuz the right only supports what affects them directly.

we dont need to have kids to care about kids.
most on the left think there is no such thing as someone else's kids.

the righties are the ones who cry about property taxes when they dont have kids, or they send their kids to private schools or even when their own kids are grown.
i literally have heard wingnuts propose that only people w kids in school pay the school portion of the property tax.

[aggiesal]

36. You're absolutely correct about RWNJ complaining about their property taxes ...

San Diego County has plenty of RWNJ's and of course some are friends.
In the city of San Diego, it cost around $10K per student per year to educate them.

Every time a school measure or something similar appears on the ballot, I keep hearing from the RW's, "Why should I vote for this, I don't have any kids in school.", or "Why should I vote for this, my kids already graduated."

I always ask them, "Did you attend public schools?". Over 90% will say yes.
I then ask, "Who do you think paid for your education? Do you think your parents could afford $10K per child per year?"
It is time for them to pony up, if not for their kids, at least for their own education.
Everyone owes into the system.

My parents had 8 children. There is no way they would have been able to pay $80K per year.
Public school throughout for myself, included grants for college.
So yes, I understand my responsibility in exchange for what I received from the public school system.
Along with my property taxes, I donate scientific calculators every year towards students that display S.T.E.M capabilities.

Remember public school buses? Now only the students that use them pay for them.
When my daughter was going through her K-12 years, it cost $600 per semester, probably more now.
You think the lower income areas are able to afford this?

Another publicly paid & provided service that's been PROFITIZED.

[mopinko]

37. the worst person i know on this score-

manages a public park.
that's right. she thinks the taxpayers should pay her to teach kids for peanuts, but not schools.
she thinks the money should alllll go to animal shelters.

[aggiesal]

40. Another Irony Deficient idiot! n/t

[mopinko]

41. yup.

[Maru Kitteh]

17. Vance wants me to support his Ivy-League educated ass?

Um. No.

[CTyankee]

18. I wish Yale could take back its Law school degree they awarded him.

I have a little list in my head for good Yalies and against bad Yalies.

[mopinko]

38. write letters.

yale has a paper, eh?

[CTyankee]

51. Yep. IIRC it's called the Yale Daily News.

[Firestorm49]

19. No attempt to conceal their racism whatsoever. I never thought I'd see the day.

[world wide wally]

20. And this guy stands a chance of being elected to the Senate?

[BlueStater]

31. Not based on the polls I've seen.

Though it highly assuming seeing him make a total ass out of himself for nothing.

[Celerity]

46. Do you have links for those polls? I only see one (538 claims the same) for the general so far

Perhaps you are referring to Rethug primary polls.

Here is the only general election one I can find.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-senate-primary-races-were-watching-so-far/

sarah: Yeah, I’d thought the same thing, Alex. But according to the one public-facing poll of the race so far, from the pollster Public Policy Polling, conducted back in March, 71 percent of respondents weren’t sure what their opinion of Vance was! Whereas opinion was much more baked in for Ryan (just 46 percent were not sure), Timken (64 percent not sure) and Mandel (39 percent not sure).

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/ohio/



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_election_in_Ohio#Polling_2



https://314action.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/OhioResults1-GE.pdf







here are some Rethug primary polls





Every poll listed in this entire post was before Vance officially jumped in to the race on July 1st, 2021.

[appalachiablue]

21. J.D., we don't have rulers here, it's

'representatives.' You might want to take some refresher law and polysci undergrad classes.

[KS Toronado]

22. Childless reQublican couples are that way probably because of abortion.

[sarchasm]

23. Child bearing property owners ONLY ...

… allowed full citizenship with voting rights.

[jaxexpat]

29. Whut? No 2/3 vote fowah mah sulaves? Whaah, thets uncivuhlized, ah tell yuh.

Yer not frum 'round heyah ah yuh? Whaah, eyuf iyut wurnt fer mah 2/3
vote prillijids mah kids wooden hayuv no voice et awl iyn theus gummint.

[moreland01]

24. What's with the GD litmus test?!?

Now politicians have to be religious, straight AND have kids? JD Vance is a world class asshole! How about saving the planet by not reproducing like rabbits? How about love who the hell you want to love and stay out of my bedroom anyway! How about religion and faith are a private thing that nobody should have to answer for when they run for office?!? How about a freaking lie detector test for the so called "born agains" like George W. Bush and DJT?

[ck4829]

47. And as far as litmus tests go, that is an especially sucky one

I mean; Susan Smith had kids at one point too, nobody is looking to put her in any "ruling class".

[plimsoll]

25. 2 things about that bothered me about that

1) Healthy? By what definition. From a mental health perspective I'm really starting to question the mental health of that ruling class. I don't think supporting the causes the right likes means you are mentally ill, but It sure seems like it attracts large numbers of people who are closer to or exceeding clinical levels for sociopathy.
2) You'd think the right would prefer the left to be childless.

[ck4829]

26. Disgusting

[Paladin]

27. So nice to see this jerk falling to pieces in public. (nt)

[colorado_ufo]

28. I hope and pray that his children

become Democrats.

[dsc]

32. He misspelled fag

we all know that is precisely and exactly what he mean in regards to Secretary Buttigieg (who it should be noted is in the very long process of adopting as part of a gay couple)

[niyad]

33. Feverishly checking the clock. It must be after 5 somewhere, yes?

Seriously, in what century is that . . .person living? Is he related to the duggars? Part of the "quiverful" movement? Or just plain nuts?

[Traildogbob]

34. His healthy ruling class

Dropping like flies from Covid. Spawn children to live in “their” poisonous climate ending world, rich in poverty, no health care for those “beautiful” children they pop out. Childless people prefer not to bring children into a world of GQP hell and hate. His “Stake” in a future are his children????More like a stake in their hearts for his fucking greed and willingness to destroy the very planet his children depend on to carry on the wealth. Talk about a need for abortion, children born to ass holes like him should be required to be aborted.

[Iggo]

35. "White People."

He didn’t quite say ALL the quiet parts.

[TNNurse]

39. I did not read his book on the advice of people I respect.

Now, I wish Ron Howard and anyone involved in the movie Hillbilly Elegy would apologize for being taken in by his book.

[llmart]

42. There is so much ignorance in this that I don't even know where to begin.

This self-professed "hillbilly" (I thought they didn't like that term) reinforces my belief that even ivy league schools can turn out stupid people.

I read his book and only because I'm from Ohio and I wanted to see what he was all about. At the end I had a WTF attitude toward the premise of his book and his politics. None of it made any sense.

I hope Ohioans don't put him in office, but the way Ohio is going I'm not confident they won't.

[Captain Zero]

43. His hillbilly childhood really did mess him up.

Sorry I watched that movie if it earned him any royalties.

[Retrograde]

49. And if AOC did have a child

Vance and his ilk would be slut-shaming her because AFAIK she's not married. I don't know how they'd attack Kamala Harris but I'm sure they'd think of something.

[lunatica]

50. He obviously watched Idiocracy

and thought it was a historical documentary.

[FakeNoose]

53. Ohio is smarter than this, Ohio deserves better representation than Vance