I feel that we need to hold Republicans to the same standard as Cuomo. Please read comment number 50

[Doodley]

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I have edited this OP after listening to critical comments.

Why is there such a double standard? DeSantis for example is killing Floridians in broad daylight. Who is calling on him to resign? Not making excuses or defending Cuomo. I accept some Democrats called on Trump to resign over abuse allegations, but like Al Franken, it seems to me a different standard is being applied.

[StarfishSaver]

1. Please stop.

Seriously. Just stop.

[Ocelot II]

2. Democrats insisting Republicans resign would be futile and pointless.

Republicans should be the ones insisting Republicans resign.

[Doodley]

3. That's not a valid reason to be less critical of Republicans.

[Ocelot II]

4. Why aren't you calling on Republicans to denounce their own reprobates?

Democrats are keeping their own house clean; they are not responsible for the GOP's pigsty too.

[Doodley]

7. Trump is still a threat to America. The economy could tank and he could run in 2024. Our democracy

could end, but let's focus on Cuomo.

[triron]

11. I'm with you.

[Doodley]

32. Thank you Triron. I feel I am under siege just for making the point.

[Meowmee]

45. I agree

Almost none of these people said a word about dump et al. Just watch he/ they will never be held accountable for anything including the murder of over 600,000. After 2 failed impeachments and an insurrection etc. he is walking free.

We could end up with Lee Zeldin as governor 🤯

[Doodley]

71. Thank you for being a voice of reason.

[Meowmee]

76. Yw

I hope we don’t have dump running again, but who knows with the deeply flawed system here which allowed him to run at all.

[pnwmom]

64. We're not all focusing on Cuomo. The State House in NY will focus on him, because

that's their job. And hopefully it won't take long to get rid of him and replace him with Gov. Kathy Hochul.

Problem solved.

[pnwmom]

54. We ARE just as critical of R's. It's silly to pretend we aren't.

We're far more likely to give a Democrat the benefit of the doubt -- and Cuomo doesn't deserve it anymore.

[Doodley]

59. Trump claimed Obama wiretapped him. Who demanded that Trump be held to account for that lie?

He learned that he could lie and lie and lie and gaslight America and took less flack that I have in creating this thread. Now Trump claims the whole 2020 election was rigged against him and there is no chance of ever making him pay any kind of price for saying whatever he likes. We took a butter knife to a gunfight and we were lucky the 2020 election wasn't America's last ever election because that is nearly what happened. Being passive isn't the way to fight when one side rips up the rule book to fight dirty.

[pnwmom]

63. Trump has deluged us with lies. There wasn't enough time to hold him account for every single one

of his lies. And Trump had learned long before he lied about wiretapping that he could effectively lie. He'd been doing it all his life.

[ShazzieB]

68. You are complaining to the wrong people.

If you don't think Cuomo should be held to account for this, complain to the the Democratic AG of the state of New York for initiating the investigation, as well as the Democratic controlled New York state legislature, and virtually every prominent Democrat in the country, from President Biden on down, because they're all calling for his resignation.

Whatver Trump may get away with (and the fat lady has not sung yet) has no bearing on what the state of New York should do about the allegations against Cuomo. It's their bailiwick, and they have the right and the responsibility to handle it as they see fit.

[LeftInTX]

5. Democrats impeached Trump twice...

I think that was their way of trying to force Trump to resign, because asking him was not working

[Doodley]

19. Impeachment was nothing to do with abuse allegations against Trump.

[blogslug]

6. This is some messed up bothsiderism

What are you trying to accomplish with this?

[Maru Kitteh]

8. whataboutism

at it's worst. You want to hold yourself to Repuke standards? By all means, but Democrats don't.


Democrats respect women. Democrats rely upon women. Democrats trust women.

[triron]

14. Yeah take the high road. Meanwhile pukes run roughshod on voting rights and want to destroy democrac

[Maru Kitteh]

15. Throw women under the bus and see how far we get. HELL no.

Cuomo did this shit to himself.


The end.

[Doodley]

16. That is why Al Franken's political career is over, while barely any Democrats said anything about

the allegations against Trump.

[blogslug]

24. This is me editing my post

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This is me reminding myself I need to stop letting myself become victim to bad takes.

[Doodley]

34. Please don't use that kind of language. I don't deserve to be disrespected for having an opinion.

All I want is for Republicans to be held to the same standard as Democrats and for lawmakers to be as outspoken about Republicans who are inappropriate.

[blogslug]

39. This is me editing this post too

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This is me quoting Wonkette's Liz Dye on this subject:

"And PS, we never want to hear another word from Republicans about dOuBlE sTaNdArD for Dems. Because the Blue Team takes out its goddamn trash."

[ShazzieB]

69. "The Blue Team rajes out its goddammit trash."

I LOVE this! That whole piece was great. Thanks for the link.

[Hoyt]

9. Sorry, but expect more of Democrats, especially on these type matters.

Glad to see the criticism. We all know trump is a cad, but Cuomo represents the Party.

[tritsofme]

10. Stop lying about Democrats, tons of Democrats called on Trump to resign, numerous times, for

numerous reasons.

Here’s what came out on top for google:
Pelosi Threatens Impeachment if Trump Doesn’t Resign ‘Immediately’

[Doodley]

23. We are talking about abuse allegations.

[chowder66]

48. I'm thinking the NY AG's investigation was helpful for their position on this.

If there was a thorough investigation of Trump that resulted in the same outcome they would do the same and some have called for his resignation without one.

The democrats have not been perfect on this but it seems they are trying to get it right, in my opinion.

[brooklynite]

12. I am sick of accepting the standard of Republicans.

[RockRaven]

13. I'm pretty sure almost all Democrats repeatedly stated, in word and deed, that Trump should

not have ever been, nor should have remained, President citing the reasons you refer to but also innumerable other ones. Forget straw men, this is a mannequin of aerogel.

The only double standard here is criticizing people who say that Cuomo's behavior, as described, is unacceptable and shall not be ignored, while ignoring their similar criticisms of Repukes for similar offenses.

[tritsofme]

18. Of course, this person just prefers to spread lies and misinformation about Democrats.

🤔

[Doodley]

25. I'm talking about abuse allegations. Don't you dare call me a liar or a straw man.

[tritsofme]

30. I pointed out the lies you're spreading about Democrats, nothing about strawmen though.

Here’s some more Democrats calling on Trump to resign:

Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) said on Tuesday that President Trump should resign, becoming the latest Democratic lawmaker to call for the president to step down in the face of sexual harassment and assault allegations. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/364471-hirono-calls-on-trump-to-resign

Stop lying and spreading misinformation about Democrats.

[Doodley]

38. I never said no Democrats called on Trump to resign. If you can show I lied, do so. Otherwise, stop

smearing me.

[tritsofme]

41. Democrats lined up to say Trump should resign too, you're spreading a false narrative.

Aside from the fact that continuing to expose state employees to a predator, to stick it to Republicans (or something), is just an awful idea.

[Doodley]

46. I agree some Democrats did demand Trump resign. I will make sure my OP reflects that.

[Azathoth]

17. Yes, no Democrats called on Trump to resign

[StarfishSaver]

36. And if only they had, he would have had no choice but to resign

[BannonsLiver]

62. I think the OP's point is they don't ever pay a price.

In that sense, it’s not relevant that Democrats call for resignations. The calls are ignored. They rarely if ever resign.

I think he should step down because his position is untenable and he risks damage to the party by staying in office, but also understand the frustration.

[Bucky]

20. Call on Trump to resign? They impeached him! Twice!

The point of calling on someone to resign is to avoid an impeachment showdown. It's best for the party and best for the state of New York for someone who's been caught using his power and his office to harass his subordinates to go quietly.

Now, I truly feel bad for Cuomo. He kept his head in a crisis and saved lives. His covid breed things last year were a breath of sanity in a crazy world. Minus the screw up with the nursing homes, he courageously and effectively managed the equivalent of an enemy invasion of New York, while hamstrung by a deranged president and a traitorous whisper campaign undermining the science that could save lives. He did much good work and it's unfair that many other politicians, those who are more corrupt and more incompetent, are not facing consequences too.

But how he treated women on his staff is blatantly illegal and immoral. Once these charges are thoroughly adjudicated, he needs to go. Even if worse people are going unpunished, that's not a good reason to let him off the hook. Wrong is wrong and office holders who sexually harass multiple subordinates need to be punished.

[Doodley]

26. I say it again. I'm talking about abuse allegations.

[Bucky]

33. I don't follow the logic of "Trump got away with it. Cuomo should too"

Is Trump a dozen times worse than Andrew Cuomo? Yes, obviously. That's not the criterion we apply when it comes time to judging misdeeds.

[treestar]

74. There is still a problem

Republicans get away with it. Their voters don't care.

What is to be done about that? We don't want to just accept having to be treated by a double standard.

[Bucky]

77. Well you're not going to solve the problem by mimicking Republicans

One of the consequences of being the party in favor of good government is it when we have a bad apple in our bunch, we're obliged to live by our values.

Exactly what problem do you think we'll solve by ignoring or covering up Cuomo's misdeeds?

[treestar]

78. Maybe he does not have to resign because of them

how come that is always the punishment? Depending on the situation, we could have different reactions. For example if we knew a Republican would replace him we would not want him to resign. He could be lectured instead of demanded to resign. And he's just being investigated. And do we really lose votes if he does not resign? If he thinks he would lose re-elected or be impeached because of it, he might be motivated to resign.

Naturally we think it unfair Republicans don't have to bother with resigning over the same thing. Their "values" allow them to do that so they get to do it? Just seems unjust. They even get the job (Kavanaugh) in spite of it.

[Ms. Toad]

21. How about self-deleting

this ill-advised and inaccurate attack on Democrats. Not to mention the backhand to the women he harassed, by shifting the focus from justice for the women to blaming Democrats for Trump.

[Doodley]

28. Tell that to Al Franken.

[Ms. Toad]

29. Had he started this OP, I would have. n/t

[Doodley]

44. All I want is for Republicans to be held to the same standard as Democrats. I don't feel that they

are. I think it is legitimate to ask why not. DeSantis is killing people in Florida, right in front of our eyes, but who is calling him out?

[Ms. Toad]

47. Your premise is falses, though.

Democrats are calling DeSantis out. Democrats did call Trump out.

So you are blaming Democrats for not doing what they actually did do - AND - in doing so shifting the focus away from justice for the women to blaming Democrats.

[Kaleva]

67. OP is purposely ignoring the numerous instances of Dems calling out Repubs.

[Nixie]

22. Heck, now they want Chris Cuomo to quit CNN.

At least that’s what I saw on Daily Mail… consider the source.

[Budi]

27. I believe that question should be directed at Republicans.

Its always been apparant how Democrats & reasonable minded people felt & addressed Trump & his fellow others.

Also, that question really needs to be asked of our Media.

[Doodley]

31. I accept fully what you are saying. If Democrats say we demanded Cuomo resign and Al Franken, and

why aren't Republicans doing the same of Republicans who have acted inappropriately, I would fully support that.

[Budi]

50. Because those Republicans are assholes & Media loved the $$ the sideshow gave them.

Also there are currently 2 Republicans eyeing the NY Gov seat.
Trump & family needs that NY Gov pardon.

This above all is why the strongest Democratic Candidate has got to be fully supported.
We need a candidate who will not be bought, bribed nor bs'd into that prescious Gov seat.

The only one who can pardon Trump is the NY Gov.
Pay the fk attentiion & elect the person who will never ever do that.

Words are cheap. Look at their lifelong deeds & how they have consistantly held Trump & his Republicans feet to the fire.

That's the Gov NY has got to elect.
We know Gov Cuomo would never ever pardon Trump & all his mobsters that will be brought before the NY Courts.

Don't fk it up. You're going up against Global Crime families backed by an International Criminal Network.

They murder people . They threaten & bribe people
The stakes are that high New York.
~

[Doodley]

53. Everyone should read your post. You make the most important points on this thread.

[Budi]

55. Above all the hype, chatter & finger pointing Media will report, THIS is what NY's priority must be.

..it isn't just a State matter at this point, it is a serious National concern.

[Kaleva]

61. Kathy Hochul, the lieutenant governor, looks strong and she doesn't have the baggage that Cuomo has.

"Should Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo resign, Lt. Gov. Kathy Hochul would replace him and would become New York State’s first female governor.

A former congresswoman from the Buffalo region and a lawyer, Ms. Hochul has won two elections for lieutenant governor. She is not considered particularly close to Mr. Cuomo.

In a statement, she suggested she retained no allegiance to him, after the release of the state attorney general’s report on Tuesday, which found evidence that Mr. Cuomo had sexually harassed 11 women, most of them state employees.

“Sexual harassment is unacceptable in any workplace, and certainly not in public service,” Ms. Hochul said. “The attorney general’s investigation has documented repulsive and unlawful behavior by the governor towards multiple women. I believe these brave women and admire their courage coming forward.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/nyregion/andrew-cuomo-kathy-hochul-governor.html

If Cuomo's own Lt. Gov, the NY state Speaker of the House, both of NY's Senators have turned against him, then he is not the strongest candidate. Not by a long shot.

Below is another indication that Cuomo isn't close to being the strongest candidate:

"New York Democrats prepare to impeach Cuomo

ALBANY, N.Y. — The Democratic majority in the New York Assembly is preparing to impeach Gov. Andrew Cuomo if he does not resign, a rapid deterioration of their relationship following Tuesday’s devastating allegation that he had sexually harassed 11 women.

That outcome become clear after an emergency meeting of legislators on Tuesday afternoon, hours after state Attorney General Tish James issued a damning report chronicling multiple instances of sexual harassment by the governor. The state Assembly's Judiciary Committee has been looking into impeachment since March.

“After our conference this afternoon to discuss the Attorney General's report concerning sexual harassment allegations against Governor Cuomo, it is abundantly clear to me that the Governor has lost the confidence of the Assembly Democratic majority and that he can no longer remain in office,” Speaker Carl Heastie said in a statement. “Once we receive all relevant documents and evidence from the Attorney General, we will move expeditiously and look to conclude our impeachment investigation as quickly as possible.”"

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2021/08/03/new-york-lawmakers-move-closer-to-impeaching-cuomo-1389441

The above articles and others telling the loss of support for Cuomo suggests he's a weak candidate and could well lose against a R in the upcoming election. Assuming he hasn't been impeached and removed from office prior to the election.

[roamer65]

57. +100000

[pnwmom]

65. Kathy Hochul, the current Lt. Gov, won the 2018 election with 60% of the vote.

And if Cuomo resigns now, she'll have more than a year to make even more of a mark.

[hunter]

72. Except Cuomo is not the "Strongest Democratic Candidate" any more.

He is, in fact, looking mighty pathetic.

Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are correct.

He has to step down.

[Budi]

73. Umm. Yes. We get that. Which is what I'm saying.

"This above all is why the strongest Democratic Candidate has got to be fully supported.
We need a candidate who will not be bought, bribed nor bs'd into that prescious Gov seat.

The only one who can pardon Trump is the NY Gov.
Pay the fk attentiion & elect the person who will never ever do that."

It's not even about Cuomo, except that he'd never pardon tRump.

[MiniMe]

35. Don't forget Al Franken

I love Senator Franken, the dems threw him under the bus. Especially Senator Gellibrand of NY. That whole incident was BS

[Doodley]

40. Exactly.

[crimycarny]

37. Yes, they did

Over and over, to deaf ears. Biden actually said on the campaign trail about Trump's "grab them by the pussy" comment that '"If we were in high school I'd take him to the gym and beat the h*ll out of him."

Of course the inevitable happened in that this became a distraction. Eventually, Biden wisely said he was not going to be dragged down into the mosh pit with Trump.

Point being, Dems spoke out often and loudly about Trump--I remember. Dems spoke out against Roy Moore and Gaetz too. Why waste more energy on it when it's the GOP that can do something about it.

[dflprincess]

42. I think the complaint is more with the media

It appears to be more interested in covering stories like this than uncovering which Reoublicans were in on Jan 6.

[Doodley]

51. Very good point.

[Budi]

56. Yup. MEDIA.

I despise what Media had allowed itself to become.
Grovelling for 'likes' & $$$ via petty divisive sensationalism.

Ugh.

[LonePirate]

43. Biden said Abbott and Desantis should step out of the way and let their people receive help.

Maybe you want Biden to verbally attack Republicans the way TFG routinely attacked Democrats; but that's not how Biden or any sane leader operates. Besides, it's always better optics and practices to shine a light on those around you before doing the same to others.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

49. Totally agree. Good post. Sorry you got so much flack:(

[Doodley]

52. Thank you for that.

[NewsCenter28]

66. Also Doodley

I wish James had shown a tenth of the interest in taking down Trump as she showed Cuomo. She has gone after Cuomo with far more zest, passion and fire than she ever did Trump. I guess the governor's mansion has a way of focusing the mind. Not sure why she is disinterested in bringing Trump to justice but raced to bring down Cuomo STAT. I guess, in her infinite and all-encompassing wisdom, Cuomo represents a far greater danger to the republic than Trump????

[ShazzieB]

70. What evidence do you have that she is "disinterested in bringing Trump to justice?"

I'm talking about actual evidece, not your personal interpretation of her actions, because I really don't see how you could possibly know what she is interested ir disinterested in.

[ecstatic]

58. And the seditionists in Congress

Has anyone in the media asked Pres Biden if hawley, cruz, jordan, mtg, etc should resign? And if not, why not? They're literally traitors and they're still sitting comfortably in their seats. smfh.

[Kaleva]

60. You are free to hold R's to the same standards as you do for Cuomo

Do you think an apology is due for the women who stepped forward? Some here disparaged the women, calling into question their motives and wondered if they had made a deal of some sort.

I asked that question in a separate thread a few here said they were owed an apology. Just a few.