In my opinion, Nina Turner wanted the rewards of the Democratic Party but....

[kentuck]

...did not want to support anything about the Democratic Party. She seemed to be critical of everything the Party stood for or tried to accomplish. Her style of politics never appealed to me.

She seemed farther to the left than Bernie Sanders, which is about as far left as the Democratic Party will go at this time. In my opinion, the Party at this time is more center-left than far-left.

Her associations with the Bernie campaign helped her immensely but, in the end, she was not "Democratic" enough to win the election.

Just my opinion.

[NurseJackie]

1. I disagree with one thing...

Her associations with the Bernie campaign helped her immensely but

I disagree. I think it hurt her immensely. I do not believe the voters of Ohio's 11th were at all impressed with people like Bernie or AOC. Far-left politics doesn't necessarily do well in the Midwest. It just helped to highlight how EXTREME and BITTER Nina Turner is. Her campaign had zero to do with what's best for Ohio's 11th... and only what's best for herself and her future political ambitions. It was a grudge-match and she clearly viewed it as some sort of "payback" for imagined injustices of the past.

In her own words: Nina Turner seems to hate the Democratic party. --- Here's an interesting collection of video/audio clips of interviews that Nina-T has given over the years. She makes it very clear that she has nothing but contempt and distrust of the Democratic Party. Yet here she is, running "as a" Democrat (but only because her preferred "People's Party" didn't have what it takes to get on the ballot in Ohio.)

I spent a few minutes typing a transcript of the on-screen text AND her exact words. Watch and listen to the video... read-along if you want. Here is the TRUTH about what Nina-T thinks of Democrats... the words are coming from her own mouth!

Nina Turner is running as a Democratic candidate for #OH11 but she seems to hate the party. She never said she voted for Biden in 2020 or Hillary in 2016. She also said electing President Obama was symbolic & produced no results & that Kamala as VP pick was to “check off a box”.

Link to tweet

Nina Turner highlights the moment her disdain for the Democratic Party originated.

-- "... and at a dinner for the Ohio Democratic Party, President Clinton said everyone else's name but mine. So, this is the exclusive because I've never told this story publicly."

Nina Turner explains that President Obama was only a symbolic figure.

-- "... we made no demands of the President, and the 'symbol' of President Obama is a beautiful thing, but what did that get us collectively?"

Nina Turner explains she believes the 2016 Democratic Primary was rigged.

-- "... the fix was in from the beginning!"

Nina Turner explains she is not about party unity: She thinks her preferred 2016 candidate was "cheated"

-- "... well I wasn't there, you know, I was home. Because, my, the person I wanted, you know, got cheated in the primary."

Nina Turner explains if it is a choice between Trump or Hillary, might as well vote for the extreme.

-- "... you know if it's the difference between the lesser of the two evils, we might just go with straight-up evil!"

Nina Turner explains she "would love to see" the extreme left "go crazy" & "hold the Democratic Party hostage"

-- "... what I would love to see the progressive movement do from the progressive members of the House of Representatives and progressive members who may be in the Senate is... to go crazy! Maybe take a page out of the Tea Party book and hold the Democratic Party hostage!"

Nina Turner explains that Kamala Harris joining the ticket is about "checking off a box"

-- "... it cannot be about just checking-off a box! But it is clear that the Democratic Party -- that is what they are most concerned about -- see, they're more concerned about optics."

Nina Turner explains that Kamala Harris joining the ticket is the ticket Wall Street wants.

-- "... Wall Street has the ticket that they want!"

Nina Turner explains that having to vote between Donald Trump and Joe Biden is like choosing between two bowls of shit to eat.

-- "... you got two bowls of shit in front of you, and you got to pick one. That's the situation we in right now. Bowl #1 or Bowl #2?"

How can Nina work with a party she hates?

-- "... these so-called Democrats!"
-- "... I have no faith in the Democratic Party."

[Rustyeye77]

5. Right now Nina and Jill are commiserating with each other.

Trouble is they'll be back.

[NurseJackie]

8. I hope you're wrong...

... but I believe you're probably correct. I do also believe, however, that Nina Turner has been exposed for the type of opportunistic, bitter and vengeful woman that she is. (Just look at her quotes in my post above... they're disgusting!) She's no friend of the Democratic party.

I had also found another video (an interview with another co-founder of Nina's "People's Party'') and he let the cat out of the bag when he revealed that the plan was for Nina to win and then SWITCH PARTIES. It was a bait-and-switch campaign from the very beginning.

But, we're onto her now.

As a postscript... I think that the politicians who endorsed Nina Turner have diminished themselves too. Their "stars" shine less bright. They have been tarnished by supporting (effectively) all of the AWFUL and HATEFUL things that Nina Turner has said.

[Demsrule86]

22. I don't think Nina Turner will be back as an elected official. And I believe a new coalition is

forming...we have been forced as a party to move a bit to the right to pick up moderate voters and win without those who are to the left. And that is a daman shame.

[NurseJackie]

28. Those on the far left fringes like ("People's Party founder) Nina Turner, Stein, Sarandon, etc

Those on the far left fringes like ("People's Party founder) Nina Turner, Stein, Sarandon, etc are unable to think with such clarity or foresight. They are so convinced in their purity and infallibility that they fail to think strategically. They fail to acknowledge reality. Petty people like Sarandon (et al) believe that revenge and destruction is better than progress. It's all driven by ego and vanity. Bitterness and sour grapes.

Yes, it is a shame.

[Kahuna]

39. unfortunately I believe she'll be back in the good graces of CNN....

Van Jones and Baracki Sellers both endorsed Turner. Jake Tapper had a thing for her a while back.

[PortTack]

41. Yes, we are on to her! She is exposed now for everyone to see. Just too caustic and self serving

JMHO..she’s toast

[DFW]

46. You beat me to it!

OH-11 went 56.5% to 42.7% for Hillary Clinton over Sanders in the 2016 primary (68-32 according to 538). I don't think sentiments there have changed drastically since then.

[TheFarseer]

51. I agree with a lot of what you are saying

and ultimately I think Turner is just is too combative and doesn’t have the right personality to be a Congresswoman. However, I disagree when you said “she just wants to do what’s best for herself and her political ambitions”. If she just wanted to further her career, why wouldn’t she just kiss leadership’s ass and get all the endorsements, connections and contributions to get elected? How does attacking key figures in the party further your career in that party? I think she takes a principled stand on issues but is far too quick to attack anyone who disagrees with her, which can work on occasion but is more likely to be counterproductive.

[NurseJackie]

53. You're correct. It doesn't.

How does attacking key figures in the party further your career in that party?

You're correct. It doesn't.

But I think it's important for me to point out that she doesn't want to to further her career in the Democratic party. It seems rather obvious to me, but I guess I should have been more specific. Nina Turner has political ambitions that do not include the Democratic party. She hates the Democratic party. She's putting her eggs in a different basket, now.

Here's a cut-and-past of something that I'd posted earlier.

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According to "The People's Party" (which she co-founded) Nina originally WANTED to run as a "People's Party" candidate.

This was interesting:

"The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat." (emphasis is mine)

https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/

Her pathetic "People's Party" didn't have what it takes to get on the Ohio 11 ballot in time, otherwise she would run as a People's Party candidate. The reality is this: she's only grudgingly running as a Democrat and using OUR party in order to be on the ballot.

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[PatSeg]

54. I don't even see Turner as a "far left" candidate

I think she is erratic and self-centered and her politics are about HER more than any liberal ideology. People this extreme often end up going so far left, that they end up on the fringes of the right. I think that is because it is more about power and recognition, than politics and policy. Her so-called "People's Party" is really "Nina's Party".

I'm sure she wonders why she is so unsuccessful in politics, but she is rude, undisciplined, inflexible, unrealistic, and generally overall unlikable. She isn't reaching out to people because she understands what they want and need, she is TELLING them what she thinks they want and need. Too busy talking and not really listening.

Sometimes people get a taste of political power and the attention that comes with it and they become addicted to it. After awhile, they crave the rallies, applause, and adulation. It is their drug. She really needs a different career path.

[NurseJackie]

56. Perfect!

Her so-called "People's Party" is really "Nina's Party".

Perfect! She's just feathering her nest... and using this as a vehicle for fundraising.

I can also tell you this... anyone who endorsed her or supported her is someone who APPROVES of her comparing Biden to a "bowl of shit" ... and who approves of her refusing to support Biden over Trump ... and who approves of her supporting Jill Stein over Hillary. (And even if they don't specifically approve or agree with her "bowl of shit" comment, their support of her show a clear lack of good judgement and lack of standards.)

All I'm trying to say is that they've ALL tarnished their own reputations and sullied themselves by association with an anti-Democratic crackpot like Nina Turner. If any of them plan on continuing their political careers, this is something that will be used against them by potential challengers. They'll have some 'splaining to do.

[PatSeg]

58. Oh yes, I agree

I was actually pretty surprised with some of the endorsements. Though I will not totally judge them on this one endorsement, I can assure you I will never forget it and I would think others wouldn't as well.

What I don't understand is it was no secret who Nina Turner is and what she is like. Why take a political risk by endorsing her? If it put some in a difficult situation, they could have just said nothing. Some bells just cannot be unrung. It is perfectly legitimate to not take sides in a close political race. We've seen it many times - "I leave that to the voters of ____ to decide who would best serve them".

[panader0]

2. I saw a brief clip of her "non concession" speech this morning.

"I did not lose this election. Evil money came in here and stole this." (Not an exact quote)
She sounded like TFG. I cannot understand what Sanders and AOC saw in this candidate.
Okay, she's says she's progressive, but she's mean spirited and doesn't seem nice whatsoever.
I'm glad Shontel won.

[NurseJackie]

4. She had MORE money than Brown. (Her money was "holy". Brown's was "evil.) 😂🤣😂🤣

Nina Turner's campaign was a complete JOKE. She had lost the race BEFORE she even started.

This was such a high-profile loss that she'll probably never recover from it. She'll be a mere footnote in American politics.

[PunkinPi]

10. The whole "evil money" treads mighty close to, if not within the bounds of antisemitism.

Link to tweet

After Black voters rejected Bernie it was nothing but racism from the cosplay left

Now, they're mad at the Jews

Absolutely gross. So happy that Shontel won!

[question everything]

19. Never fails. When in a corner, blame Israel

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[Chili]

52. I'm sure I saw every single ad...

... and that group didn't lie about anything in those ads. If I remember, their ads said she was divisive. Uhm, YEAH. They didn't mention any issue for Israel at all, it was straight pro-Dem party. From what I understand, her past comments came off to the Jewish community as antisemitic, which is why they endorsed Brown.

[betsuni]

6. What they saw were the slogans Medicare for All and Green New Deal.

Justice Democrats slogans.

[nycbos]

9. Sanders isn't a Dem.

[kentuck]

11. But the Democratic Party is willing to accept most of his policy ideas.

They are probably more representative of the progressive wing of the Party?

[Wounded Bear]

44. Sanders, at the least, doesn't go out of his way to attack Dems...

and he usually votes with the Dem Party on important issues.

[mcar]

69. And she was getting PAC money from groups that support Erdogan in Turkey

[Nikossitti]

3. I'm inclined to agree with nurse Jackie

People in this district don’t align themselves with the self-serving and empty rhetoric of Turner. To me, she was only looking to advance her ambitions and not advance the needs of the people in the 11th. Shontel was impressive this morning on Morning Joe—very positive

[Ocelot II]

7. She ran as a Democrat only because her party - whatever the hell its name was -

couldn't get on the ballot. She's a toxic, my-way-or-the-highway character who does the progressive wing of the party no favors. I'm so glad to see she's been defeated.

[NurseJackie]

43. According to "The People's Party" (which she co-founded) Nina originally WANTED to run as a "People'

According to "The People's Party" (which she co-founded) Nina originally WANTED to run as a "People's Party" candidate.

This was interesting:

"The People’s Party isn’t on the ballot in Ohio yet so she will have to run as a Democrat." (emphasis is mine)

https://peoplesparty.org/nina-turner-congress/

Her pathetic "People's Party" didn't have what it takes to get on the Ohio 11 ballot in time, otherwise she would run as a People's Party candidate. The reality is this: she's only grudgingly running as a Democrat and using OUR party in order to be on the ballot.

[Johnny2X2X]

12. Bernie knows how to play ball, she didn't

She regularly trashed her party, Bernie pushes his party hard, but is careful to be a team player in the end.

Right now Bernie Sanders is a huge asset to both Biden and the Democratic Party. He brings a large voting block to the table and he's letting them know what Biden and the Democratic Party are doing for them.

[kentuck]

13. Very true.

I think Bernie is still the voice of the Progressive movement in this country. Progressives are much stronger when they are allied with the Democratic Party.

[Wounded Bear]

45. I echoed this above in my post #44...

[NurseJackie]

49. How would you characterize it when someone refers to Democrats as "Coastal Elites"...

How would you characterize it when someone refers to Democrats as "Coastal Elites". Is it "pushing hard" to say that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt".

Explain to me how it's being a "team player" to characterize Democrats as being "feeble"... or to say that Democrats are "corrupt".

Do you have any opinions (one way or the other) when someone says that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure"... or that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent"... or that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite".

Is it "team player" behavior to repeatedly declare that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans" ... or to say that Democrats are "do-nothings" and that the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change."

He brings a large voting block to the table

No, that's wrong. That type of negativity and cynicism generates apathy. The lies and smears create a hostile and negative atmosphere of apathy that discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

It serves no good purpose. No matter how many sprinkles are added as decoration it's shitty for anyone to continually smear the Democratic party and Democratic leadership in that way.

[George II]

63. Analyses have shown that Sanders actually brought very few if any voters "to the table"....

Those that say that use the fact that voters who voted for him in the two Presidential primaries wound up voting for the eventual nominees. But that's a skewed way of looking at it - they would have voted for the nominees even if Sanders had never been a candidate in either.

[George II]

61. I have to respectfully disagree. Of the 50 Senators in the Democratic caucus....

Sanders is ranked #50 for backing Joe Biden's and the Democratic Party's agenda according to 538.

I can't say for certain, but I believe he's also the only member of the Democratic caucus who voted against any of Biden's nominees.

[Me.]

66. If He Knows HOw To Play Ball Why Did He Skip A Very Important Vote

to rah rah for that loser?

[mcar]

70. I disagree with you on the voting bloc

How many of his supporters voted for Jill Fcking Stein in 2016? How many wrote in Bernie's name? How many didn't vote?

We got stuck with TFG in part because of those factors. More people voted for Stein in the 3 contested states than was the margin of Dotard's victory.

I wish Bernie would work harder to bring his voters into the party.

[hlthe2b]

14. She wanted to come to DC to be a MTG-like bomb thrower. No doubt in my mind.

And not for any objective other than to advance HERSELF. She'll undoubtedly try again, especially given her so-called "concession" speech was full of Trump-like excuses, accusing mainstream Democrats of corrupt funding of her opponent before an aide apparently drug her away from the microphone

[Sympthsical]

15. She's a bomb thrower and little else

Not even Reddit likes her, which should say something.

That was not my circus, but it was entertaining as hell. Now we can go back to our regularly scheduled AOC criticism. That's already started.

However, it's interesting. Clinton won that district in her primary 2-1. Fudge won the primary there with 90%. For Turner to bring things to a 5-6% gap even with the full power of the Democratic establishment coming after her and the fact most people don't even really like her is worth an eyebrow raise or two.

I think any progressive who was not Nina Turner could've had a realistic chance there. She burned all of the bridges over the past five years. Hell, I don't even like her. I just think the collective meltdown over her was amusing. She probably wouldn't have been very productive in Congress.

That said, voters under 45 are overwhelmingly progressive. They went for Sanders 2-1 in the 2020 primaries. This attempt to push progressives out of the party by certain quarters is very ill-advised. It is not thinking of the future of the party. Alienating them is very short-sighted. Hating Turner is understandable, but some parties went far beyond that. The AOC stuff illustrates it.

My opinion, and it has been for awhile now, is that time is the only thing that's going to sort this out. Millennials are entering their 40s. 2024 is going to be the last hurrah for the current guard, and then whoever the successors to Sanders are will start making dents. In 10 years, it won't be a problem anymore. The party's going to shift left.

Just probably without Nina. She's not super helpful.

[hlthe2b]

16. AOC and Bernie are not out to burn the Democratic Party down. Big damned difference.

And, no, I think that when a relative political unknown can move the vote 35 points in such a short time against Turner, who had (unfortunately) tremendous inexplicable backing from a lot of respected Dems--not just AOC--is what should be remembered. The road to more so-called progressive legislating is not paved with ugly, "Trump-like" tactics, nor those who clearly want nothing more than a scorched earth strategy, "innocent bystanders be damned..."

If I find something to criticize in Bernie or AOC or other far left, it isn't without respect for them in general. But if they keep backing candidates like Turner, I think there will be a lot just like me who may have a change of heart.

[kentuck]

17. I think Bernie felt obligated to Turner because she was so supportive in his campaigns...

And many others Democrats, out of respect for Bernie, may have followed somewhat in his lead?
Just a thought...

[Sympthsical]

26. I think that was part of it

Sander campaigned for her a little, but I didn't really hear or see too much of him in all of this. Some of those endorsements felt . . . reluctant.

I think if it had been anyone else but Nina, this would've gone differently. She burned a lot of bridges, and there were a lot of powerful people with axes to grind against her.

I would've been surprised if she had won.

[Sympthsical]

23. I don't think it's ultimately going to matter

Progressives supported Turner because she advocated progressive policies. That was the sum of it.

But she's just so . . . unpleasant. This was definitely a referendum on her and her personality, I think. And she made her bed by going after Clyburn. Once she did that, I thought, "Oh yeah, there's no way." People kept focusing on the bowl of shit comment, but I don't think your average voter cared on that one. The average voter isn't that loyally hyper-partisan.

But she fucked with Clyburn and the black community by some extension. Who's stupid now, Nina?

AOC is not far Left. That idea needs to die in a fire. It's just America has gone far to the right, and our party has been pulled that way since Reagan. Unfortunately, many of our own accommodated it out of perceived political self-interest. I see people like AOC as a correction to Reaganism long overdue.

I think the movement of our party over the next ten to fifteen years is going to reflect that.

[kentuck]

32. Good points.

[Nixie]

24. Yes, and unfortunately Katie Porter in her South Orange

District backed Turner and is now getting labeled as a far left socialist. She is highly competent, of course, but that was a huge mistake on her part to not keep herself out of that group. I was hugely disappointed in her political judgment doing that.

[Demsrule86]

27. Nope. Ohio is not particularly progressive. I live in the 11th district and voted for Shontel.

I vote for the candidate that I believe will work hard for Ohio. I felt Nina Turner was not that person. And I will never forgive her for 16 and 20 . I believe she benefitted from name recognition. There were other progressives running and they didn't do well at all.

[Hortensis]

33. Thanks and congratulations, Dems! Every good person we can

get into congress is so important..

But aren't almost ALL Ohio's Democrats progressive? Just few the kind of "Progressives" who bought the Kool-Aid that all the rest are more like Republican lite?

[Sympthsical]

36. We'll see, won't we

Demographics are an inevitable ticking bomb in all of this.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

37. These headlines make me smile

Link to tweet

[Sympthsical]

40. That's nice

I'm not a Turner supporter. But if you're happy.

I woke up and discovered I could mix my chocolate protein powder in with my coffee and have what basically amounts to hot, caffeinated cocoa. Considering it's 53 degrees here and freezing in the house, it made me pretty happy.

I'm glad we're both having good mornings.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

73. Nina Turner's loss in Ohio means Biden doesn't need to keep caving to the left

This race has some interesting implications. AOC and the squad demanded that OH11 voters send Nina Turner to bolster their power to block President Biden's plans. It is clear now that Joe Biden is the face of the Democratic Party

Link to tweet

Shontel's victory over Nina and the Squad is important in that it gives Joe Biden more flexibility

Link to tweet

That’s what makes Shontel Brown’s upset victory on Tuesday in an Ohio special election so refreshing. She beat Nina Turner, the epitome of smashmouth-style liberalism, in a Democratic primary to fill the House seat vacated by Housing and Urban Development Secretary Marcia L. Fudge.

Brown prevailed by embracing President Biden — and celebrating his brand of incrementalism. “This is about making progress, and sometimes that takes compromise,” she said during her victory speech in a Cleveland suburb. “Because when you demand all or nothing, usually you end up with nothing.”....

Biden has to be attentive to the left, given Democrats’ slim House majority. But Tuesday’s results suggest he doesn’t need to contort himself to placate the party’s progressive wing — as he’s doing with the extension of the eviction moratorium — as much as they demand or he has often deemed necessary.....

Fear was another motivation for CBC leaders. They privately worried a Turner victory would embolden additional radicals to launch primary challenges against incumbent Black lawmakers in 2022. What happened to Lacy Clay in Missouri remains top of mind. The 10-term congressman, whose father co-founded the CBC, was defeated in a primary last summer by activist Cori Bush, who had the support of Sanders and the Democratic Socialists of America.

And that may be the real significance of the Ohio results. They show the leader of the Democratic Party is not Sanders or AOC. It’s Biden. And he should start acting like it. At least he can count on Shontel Brown’s vote.

[Sympthsical]

74. I didn't read any of that

I checked out of the conversation this morning. Election's over. I may now cease caring about it entirely.

Pro-tip. Get a cheap alfredo base, put in some herbs, mushrooms, and garlic. Pour over baked chicken breast. Pretty tasty.

Responding to me about things I'm not discussing with articles I'm not going to read isn't going to derive anything satisfying or useful. Like scattering glitter at a party.

Oh oh. Fat free half and half. Put some nutmeg and splenda in a mug. Pour maybe half of cup of the cream in. Sip leisurely. Carb-free low calorie and tastes like rice pudding or egg nog.

That's a freebie.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. I believe she and Jill are part of the coup

The Republicans (except a rare few) are in the midst of a coup to take power and overturn our Democracy. They did not succeed after Trump lost, jumped too quickly. But they are not done. I wish we would take it more seriously, and act with the urgency the situation requires.

I also believe that Jill and Nina are part of it and attempting to infiltrate the Democratic party and the liberal base. You think I am a conspiracy nut? Follow the money...and the connections.

[DFW]

55. Though not a fan of conspiracy theories, I tend to agree about the infiltration. Follow the money!

At the present time, the American electorate as a whole prefers what Democrats have to offer. If the Republicans refuse--or are unable--to make their brand of hate politics more palatable, then their choices are limited. One, voter suppression, is in full swing. Another is to alter the Democrats' message so as to be unacceptable to a majority of voters, and that includes, by definition, a LOT of Democrats.

Part of a Daily Beast report:

"According to Federal Election Commission records, however, the Turner campaign reported a March 31 donation of $1,000 from the director of Amare Public Affairs, a firm Turner founded last September as an offshoot of D.C.-based lobbying shop Mercury Public Affairs. And on Jan. 19, three days after her tweet, Turner accepted $250 from a partner at Mercury, per FEC filings."
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"While Turner’s links to Mercury have been a matter of public record, they haven’t been widely reported beyond a Mercury press release announcing its sponsorship of her firm. And Turner—an outspoken anti-corporate progressive and national co-chair for Sen. Bernie Sanders’ 2020 presidential campaign—may have good reasons to keep a low-profile connection.

"Mercury has gained a great deal of public notoriety over the last few years. The firm had extensive revolving door ties to Trump administration officials, and made millions as a foreign agent for entities associated with geopolitical adversaries such as China, Libya, Russia, and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s regime."
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more here: https://www.thedailybeast.com/dem-star-nina-turner-blows-pledge-not-to-take-lobbyist-money?ref=scroll

Now, amounts like $250 and even $1000 are small potatoes in the scheme of Turner's $4.5 million haul. I don't know where the rest of her money came from, and it probably won't be obvious even if well-researched. These people are not fools. If anybody believed that one single person sent Bernie Sanders $37 eighteen times in one day during his primary race, I have some oceanfront property in Wyoming to sell you.

[question everything]

20. Except, Sanders is NOT a Democrat never has been a Democrat

except when manipulating the Vermont Senatorial primaries, and has actively campaigned against Democratic candidates, including hoping for primary challenge for Obama in 2012.

Can we hope that this will be the last campaign when candidates are counting on association with him? When voters consider his support as validating a Democratic candidate?

[Nixie]

21. Let's hope this is nearing the last of it. The AOC types are

popular in their districts where maybe 100,000 vote for them. She would never get 80,000,000 million votes and neither would Bernie ( thanks Biden!). It’s time for them to face reality, which some are doing by renaming themselves “pragmatic progressives.” You really have to shake your head at that. It’s quite a pathetic but predictable ending to their “revolution.”

[Demsrule86]

30. Given our situation in the Senate and the fact that there is a Republican governor in Vermont, I

think Sanders should retire and we should elect a Democrat next time. I am not saying Sanders isn't doing a good job at the moment, he is. But should he be unable to continue due to health issues, a GOP type would take his place.

[Elessar Zappa]

38. The Republican governor there is very moderate.

He may well appoint a Democrat if something happens to Sanders or Leahy.

[Sympthsical]

31. Sanders won voters under 45 two to one in the 2020 primary

So, no. That's not going away any time soon. That's the future of the party, so people need to get used to it.

He, personally, is done. He's gone as far as he can with his political career.

But his influence isn't going anywhere. And when he's gone, someone else will take up the mantle. Probably many someone elses.

[question everything]

48. Perhaps your wishful party. Not mine

We flipped the House in 2018 with moderates. We lost many seats in 2020 and may lose the House in 2022 because of the image that Democrats are shifting left, radically so. “Defund the Police,” “Medicare for all” without explanation on how to pay for it and with most voters prefer their employer provided insurance.

And yes, if the impression is that the “Squad” is controlling the party, the same group that last week voted against funding Capitol Security and against saving Afghan interpreters, this will be the end of the Democratic party as a serious player.

Of course, this is what the leftists want. A revolution. Revolutions are bloody and revolutionist are more than willing to pay the price. The question is: will the rest of us see the plan and work to thwart it?

[Sympthsical]

67. Moderates have been getting everything they want, and yet . . .

We got the moderate presidential candidate. Moderates mostly won their primaries. Moderates will win the NYC mayoralty.

And yet, there is ever this impulse to somehow blame the Left for all bad things.

How is it the moderates are forever getting their way within the party, and yet all these spectacular wins aren't miraculously materializing? All this strategy we're told we need to win happens, and then we're not doing so great?

Keeps happening. Weird, right? 2018 was a direct rebuke to Trump. He was that awful. But then we nearly lost the presidential election to Donald J Trump during a mismanaged pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands. Yes, Biden won the popular vote overwhelmingly, but those margins in electoral college states were razor thin. Flip around a few votes, and it could've easily been a repeat of 2016. Our House majority nearly vanished. We are holding onto Congress by our fingernails. During a pandemic that Republicans fucked up royally. Ya don't think we should've done quite a bit better there?

The Left didn't direct the party in 2020. The moderates charted the whole course. 2022 is not shaping up to be any better.

How much electoral mediocrity and near failure can moderates generate before an honest assessment will be taken about what we're doing wrong? How are the people without power constantly blamed by those who are directing our efforts? It's preposterous on its face.

Demographics are changing. Voters under 45 are far more progressive. They are far closer to the Squad. Our fastest growing racial demographic - Latinos - are closer to the Squad. They went for Sanders in the primary. Older voters and social conservatives are the ones keeping things as they are. Actual votes have born this out. As time passes, the party's going to change. And all the resistance and attacks and attempts to push progressives to the sidelines won't change that. It's just alienating future voters.

Temporary political power within the party is just that. Our leadership is very old. They will not be there in ten years. The AOCs will. It's a matter of preparing for it, or resisting it vigorously until you're dragged along kicking and screaming. How much damage to the future of the party do people want to do here?

Tick tock.

[Demsrule86]

62. Had Sanders won such voters...he would have won. Many didn't show up.

[Sympthsical]

68. Yeah, turn out wasn't great with younger voters

Rarely is. However, as they get older, they'll bring their attitudes with them.

People are acting as if politics are encased in some kind of lucite, forever static against time.

Older voters and social conservatives are what keep the moderate wing in power.

Older voters are not in lucite, either.

[mcar]

25. I agree with your opinion

She isn't a Democrat, she was just using the party to win election.

[Hortensis]

29. She SAID publicly that she was running as a Democrat to infiltrate the

only game in town and take it over. That's after her faction's attempt to create a viable third party to attack and try to splinter away support from outside failed. As expected.

My guess is Republican strategists prefer infiltration of infighters that'd undermine the ability of the Democratic Party to stop them, anyway. Confusion on the left about who's really who is critical to their success.

Speaking of, BIG thank you to OH-11 and Congresswoman-elect Shontel Brown, and congratulations to America.

[dalton99a]

34. +1. People who think she's a Democrat are naive.

[Mosby]

57. One supporter of hers is blaming Jews.

Link to tweet

[XanaDUer2]

35. Holy shit!

Nina Turner explains if it is a choice between Trump or Hillary, might as well vote for the extreme.
-- "... you know if it's the difference between the lesser of the two evils, we might just go with straight-up evil!"

[Rustyeye77]

42. I trade Nina for Liz Cheney.

tough call but at least Liz has some morals.

[diehardblue]

47. She declare that as long as there is a God she will...... You fill in the blank as we

read between the lines.

[LizBeth]

50. I think the support of Sanders is what ultimately took her out of the race.

And Sanders has always been one to "rewards of the Democratic Party BUT....".

Two peas in a pod.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

59. Nina was not really a member of the Democratic Party

She was going to support the Peoples Party if she was elected

[bigtree]

60. sounds like 'blue dogs', more than Turner

...who actually advocated and presented a mainstream progressive agenda in that campaign.

In the end, I believe her bombasticness did her in. The more appealing candidate won.

All of the knives out for this woman raise all sorts of red flags for me. Does it bother you the the winner of that race isn't being highlighted and elevated in any of these screeds? What about that race? This focus on Turner seems to play right into the rw demonization of progressives, and by extension, a sizable number of our party and supporters.

The focus should not be on Turner.

[Demsrule86]

64. I live in the district...and I really like Shontel. But this is a discussion of Nina Turner...

separate thing.

[bigtree]

71. its a cottage industry

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...bashing progressives and pretending Turner is the issue in this special election.

It's not Democratic party concern, it won't win this special election, it's an unnecessary indulgence and a gift to the rw.

[Hortensis]

65. Turner's just one many who have real talent but sabotage themselves.

Whatever's going on in her case, after a promising initial trajectory, she's been on a downward slide for a long time now. Winning election to congress would have halted it, at least temporarily. But she defeated herself by just being herself.

Shit, Turner: Democrats LIKE Joe Biden.

[Meowmee]

72. Imo she is crazy and unstable

And I am relieved she lost.