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As more companies mandate vaccines, it's important that employees understand the implications of not getting one.https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/personal-finance/articles/quitting-a-job-due-to-vaccine-requirements-you-wont-be-eligible-for-unemployment/
At this point, many people have been working remotely for a solid year and a half. But many companies are getting tired of that arrangement and are eager to bring workers back to the office in some capacity. Unfortunately, the Delta variant is throwing a wrench in the works. With COVID-19 cases soaring once again, employers need to take steps to protect their employees if they're going to require them to show up to an actual workplace. And to that end, many are requiring that employees get a COVID-19 vaccine before coming back to work. At first glance, that may seem like an infringement on individual rights. But actually, companies do have the right to mandate vaccines. And if you refuse to get one and are decide to quit your job or are terminated because of that, you may be in for a financial shock, because you won't be eligible for unemployment benefits.
Violating company policy means you're out of luck
To qualify for unemployment benefits, you'll need to have lost your job through no fault of your own. If your company struggles financially and has to downsize its staff, for example, that's a valid reason for getting unemployment. On the other hand, if you're fired from your job for consistently showing up late, that's a scenario where you're likely to be denied unemployment benefits. Similarly, any time you violate a company policy, it's grounds for termination. And if your company's policy is to require COVID-19 vaccines, and you don't get one, then you could be terminated and ineligible to receive any unemployment money.
The same holds true if you quit your job because you don't want to get vaccinated. With that said, companies that are requiring vaccines generally need to make exceptions for employees who can't get a jab for medical or religious reasons. In that situation, the burden will be on you to prove that you're exempt from your company's general policy. In that scenario, if you're terminated, you may have a right to unemployment benefits. You may also have a wrongful termination lawsuit on your hands. So in that case, speaking to an employment lawyer could be a good thing to do.
Know the rules
Unemployment benefits can be a financial lifeline when you lose your job, especially if you don't have any savings to fall back on. But if you refuse to get vaccinated and that violates your company's rules, you should be prepared for your unemployment claim to be denied. If your company is mandating vaccines and you really don't want to get one, but you also don't qualify for an exemption, then you might consider trying to negotiate a different arrangement with your employer. You may be given permission to work from home, if not permanently, then at least for the time being while the current outbreak is raging. Getting vaccinated is a sensitive issue and one that a lot of people feel strongly about. It pays to speak up for yourself if your company's vaccination policy doesn't align with your personal comfort level.
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OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Force everyone to get vaccinated, dammit.
Microsoft to require vaccines for workers at its US offices
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/success/microsoft-vaccine-requirement-reopening-delay/index.html
I believe that Google is on board, as well.
Tadpole Raisin
(972 posts)Good!
Rhiannon12866
(205,167 posts)Seems likely to me and I can even remember getting vaccines right in school - though I was a kid and don't know what they were. And when my friend returned to college a few years back, she had to get the MMR vaccine before she could attend classes - I drove her to get it. Seems to me that vaccines have always been required to keep ourselves and others safe - at least in my lifetime.
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Igel
(35,300 posts)The argument was made that Indiana couldn't impose a vaccine requirement, and the court ruled for Indiana. U of, that is.
Schools, private and public, can impose vaccination requirements for a vaccine with just EUA.
Schools can't make it required quite yet because it's not available for those under 12, and seriously, nobody's going to watch the calendar. "Jon and Jaela turned 12 today--as of tomorrow, Jon mom and Jaela mom, your kids can't be on campus until they're fully vaccinated." That means it's only really useful for high schools. High school students are at higher risk than those younger (regardless of the terrormongers in the media, this is still true).
Otherwise it's also a political thing in most states. The school board is elected, the school board floats bonds for referenda, and no superintendent wants the teachers to catch untold quantities of flak.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)When does one ever get unemployment if one quits? I believe you have to be terminated by the employer and even then it can be an uphill battle for benefits.
Celerity
(43,302 posts)https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/unemployment-benefits-when-quit-32450.html
To collect unemployment benefits, employees must be out of work through no fault of their own. Workers who lose their jobs in a layoff are clearly eligible for benefits, as are most employees who are fired for reasons other than serious misconduct. (See Nolo's article Unemployment Benefits: What If You're Fired? for more information on this requirement.)
Can You Get Unemployment Benefits If You Quit?
Even employees who quit their jobs may be able to collect unemployment, but that depends on their reasons for leaving. In every state, an employee who voluntarily quits a job without good cause is not eligible for unemployment. But state laws vary as to how they define "good cause."
Unemployment Eligibility if You Quit Voluntarily
Even if you think you had a good reason to leave a job, that doesn't necessarily mean you had good cause in the eyes of the law. For example, it might make sense to leave a job that doesn't offer opportunities for advancement, but a worker who makes this choice won't be eligible for unemployment benefits. Similarly, some people quit their jobs because they find the work unfulfilling or they want to pursue an entirely different career path. These decisions may lead to a better qualify of life and higher job satisfaction -- but what they won't lead to is an unemployment check. In some states, former employees are eligible for benefits if they leave a job for compelling personal reasons -- for example, to relocate when a spouse gets a distant job or because a family emergency requires the worker to be home. In other states, benefits are available only if the employee's reasons for quitting are related to the job.
When Can You Quit Your Job and Still Receive Unemployment Benefits?
Here are some reasons for quitting that might entitle you to collect unemployment.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)I think that there might be grounds for unemployment payments if the company changes work rules during your employment.
Suppose you work for a meat packing company in the accounting department, and an edict comes down that everyone must work a week in the abattoir and on the killing floor every two years, starting with you, so that employees can all be aware of all aspects of the business. This is too much for you to endure and you refuse and are fired.
Since it was due to an implicit change of the employment contract, by the employer, I think you should be able to collect unemployment while you look for a new job. This is what the insurance is for.
That all said, I think requiring vaccination for in-person work is an excellent policy, but it needs to be spelled out, and because it is a change during employment, people need to given time to adjust, even the anti-vaxxers. This is not "coddling" because they would soon be out anyway.
Might be simplest to give all anti-vaxxers layoff notices so they can collect unemployment, and be less of a drag on the economy that way.
Beastly Boy
(9,307 posts)The former shifts the decision making on the employer: whether to retain you under the original terms of employment or fire you. If you are fired, you are eligible for unemployment, but if you quit, you get none.
Having said that, I believe that accepting a job implies that you agree to follow the employer's health and safety protocols and workplace conduct rules, especially when they are mandated by government authorities. I am not sure how it works out in real life, but I don't think you are eligible for unemployment if you are fired for failing to comply with these.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)And they will be able to collect.
markie
(22,756 posts)left because of the mandate... no words to describe the disgust I have for these selfish, disrespectful people
my daughter works in HR there and it is causing an upheaval
Igel
(35,300 posts)A lot of states just waived all sorts of requirements.
In Texas you're supposed to have on-going proof of seeking work, employers are to let the unemployment agency know if they contact an unemployed worker who turns down a job offer.
For the last year, nobody's enforced those rules. Don't look for work? Meh. Ignore job offers? Whatever (hair-flip, eye-roll).
I'd doubt they bothered to contact employers to confirm the claim that an employee was laid off and didn't just walk away.